House passes HR-1.

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House Republicans narrowly passed Trump's 'big, beautiful' bill. Here's what's in it

Republicans are trying to make permanent the individual income and estate tax cuts passed in Trump's first term plus enact promises he made in the 2024 campaign to not tax tips, overtime and interest on some auto loans.
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House Republicans early Thursday took a major step forward on President Donald Trump’s agenda, approving a legislative package that combines tax breaks, spending cuts, border security funding and other priorities.

House committees labored for months on the bill, which underwent late changes to win over holdouts in the Republican conference. It exceeds 1,000 pages and is titled the “One Big Beautiful Bill Act,” a nod to Trump himself.

Republicans made one last round of revisions before the bill reached the House floor, boosting the state and local tax deduction to win over centrists and speeding up the work requirements in Medicaid to win over those who didn’t believe the bill did enough to curb spending.
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Bill text. https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/text

One portion caught my eye. SEC. 112030. REDUCTION OF EXCISE TAX ON FIREARMS SILENCERS.
(a) In General.--Section 5811(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms
transferred a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $5 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
weapon classified as any other weapon under section 5845(e),
``(2) $0 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
silencer (as defined in section 5845(a)(7)), and
``(3) $200 for any other firearm transferred.''.
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I will still need to register the silencers I make, but they will be tax free.

There is still much to complain about in the bill though. https://thehill.com/business/5311628-rich-gain-poor-loss-tax-cuts-bill/
Median household income in the U.S. is about $80,000 a year. The middle fifth of earners will see $49.6 billion in tax reductions. That’s about 8.8 percent of the total tax cuts in 2027, compared to the 68 percent received by the top fifth.

The bill would be a major boost for people making between $200,000 and $500,000 a year. They will pay $169.5 billion less in taxes in 2027 — a full 30 percent of the total tax reductions for that year.

Broken down another way, people in the 95th to 99th percentile will see a $117.2 billion tax reduction — that’s more than 20 percent of the total cuts in 2027 for just that slice of the population.
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And the MAGA cult will cheer him on, through their broken, decayed teeth. They will wave their shabby caps and wear their best third-hand rags for the weekly Trump Triumph parade, while the banks foreclose on their clapboard family shacks covered in dust and they are shipped off to forced labour camps. What need of schooling? All the jobs went years ago. A trillion dollars of debt for every American citizen was considered the most patriotic thing they could do for him.
 
It still has to go through the Senate which is not a done deal yet. I suspect there will be some rewrites in the GOP conference on it. That they started it in the middle of the night is kind worrying but not that unexpected - I watched a lot of it on C-SPAN since I was three hours behind. The gun stuff I'm not that worried about as much as the budget part.

Not sure how the whipping will go in the Senate, but I'll be curious as to what changes are made from the House bill.
 
the senate republicans are way more reasonable than the house. rand paul in particular seems pretty pissed off lately.
 
Hopefully this will hurt a lot of people in swing states by the end of next year, so the House goes Blue.

Then the hearings begin.
 
PitPat said:
Yeah sounds good unless you're the egg.
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This is a war. Wars have casualties. We need some blue control of govt. and if some Trump voters in red states feel a little pain for the greater good, so be it.
 
Hercules56 said:
This is a war. Wars have casualties. We need some blue control of govt. and if some Trump voters in red states feel a little pain for the greater good, so be it.
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No. Hurting the middle class and poor to benefit the rich is never for the greater good.
 
Norman Alexander said:
And the MAGA cult will cheer him on, through their broken, decayed teeth. They will wave their shabby caps and wear their best third-hand rags for the weekly Trump Triumph parade, while the banks foreclose on their clapboard family shacks covered in dust and they are shipped off to forced labour camps. What need of schooling? All the jobs went years ago. A trillion dollars of debt for every American citizen was considered the most patriotic thing they could do for him.
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Is this from a novel (with some alterations)? It reads like it, which is to say it’s very good! 👍
 
PitPat said:
Not all of them.
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Exactly. Even if I could bring myself to root for harm on MAGAts (its so easy but I can usually catch myself), I know this is going to have massive negative impact on people who aren't "them". And we don't know what the outcome will be.

Plus, I'm a financially stable white guy in a safe blue state. It would be morally reprehensible of me to casually dismiss someone else's suffering as "breaking eggs to make an omelet".
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Nope, it's all mine, alas.
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You could write the Great American Novel about the Trump era. We could have it read out from Australia and broadcast to the illegal wind-up radios in the homes of the impoverished citizens living under MAGA Maoism. We can ease their pain with assurances that we have not forgotten them even now as they have become the very people Robert F Kennedy wants them to be.
 
I have to say, I have to give some respect for speaker Johnson for getting this bill passed, given the GOP slim majority and the conflict of interest between the deficit hawks/freedom caucus, and the pretend-moderates. Its doubtful that Kevin McCarthy could have accomplished such a goal.

Not that that the bill was good (its a bad budget and it will harm the U.S.).

Of course, it could all fall apart once it gets through the senate, where republicans have a similar slim majority and divided caucus, and any compromise bill they come up with would then get sent through the house again, where it might still get rejected once the exact details are hashed out.
 
There's no way a $40k SALT deduction gets through the Senate.
 
It will also benefit middle class in HCOL blue states. The Orange Weakling won't allow that without a lot of ass kissing.
 
Donal said:
Exactly. Even if I could bring myself to root for harm on MAGAts (its so easy but I can usually catch myself), I know this is going to have massive negative impact on people who aren't "them". And we don't know what the outcome will be.

Plus, I'm a financially stable white guy in a safe blue state. It would be morally reprehensible of me to casually dismiss someone else's suffering as "breaking eggs to make an omelet".
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That was pretty much my reasoning on it. Trump's economic policies affect all - they make no distinction between red and blue eggs.
 
Here is a question...

Back in the 2016 election, did Trump ever campaign on or mention the idea that "bills that pass in congress are too long, and should only be 1 page in length" (or something similar to that)?

I seem to remember one of the primary candidates brought the idea up, and I can't remember if it was Trump who first mentioned it, or if he repeated something one of the other candidates said.

(Tried to google it but couldn't.)
 
That's been a Republican mantra for generations. Specifically about the tax code and regulations. Ted Cruz would lust over tax forms no bigger than a post card during speeches.
 
I've said it before and I will say it again. Conservatives want a world where they can tell other people what to do, and other people cannot tell them what to do. You will never change their minds by pointing out the hypocrisy, as the hypocrisy is the main selling point. It's like telling people they shouldn't rob banks as they might walk away with lots of other people's money.
 
Random said:
I've said it before and I will say it again. Conservatives want a world where they can tell other people what to do, and other people cannot tell them what to do.
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Progressives want the exact same thing. Your whole idea of progress hinges on being able to dictate to others what is for the greater good, while blocking dissenters from either going their own way or undoing your work.

This country would be a lot better off if both sides forswore trying to use the federal government as a bludgeon to compel morality in others.
 
theprestige said:
Progressives want the exact same thing. Your whole idea of progress hinges on being able to dictate to others what is for the greater good, while blocking dissenters from either going their own way or undoing your work.

This country would be a lot better off if both sides forswore trying to use the federal government as a bludgeon to compel morality in others.
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Do you mean that it's state government that should be doing that?
 
theprestige said:
Progressives want the exact same thing. Your whole idea of progress hinges on being able to dictate to others what is for the greater good, while blocking dissenters from either going their own way or undoing your work.

This country would be a lot better off if both sides forswore trying to use the federal government as a bludgeon to compel morality in others.
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And yet you voted for Trump.
 
Hercules56 said:
And yet you voted for Trump.
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Six of one, half a dozen of the haters.

If you agreed with me, you'd recognize the silver lining in a bull smashing up swaths of the federal china shop.

But no. You voted for Biden. You voted for the big government status quo. Because you like big government. Because you like the idea of the state wielding vast power over others, as long as it's your agenda on the trigger side of the firing line.
 
theprestige said:
Six of one, half a dozen of the haters.

If you agreed with me, you'd recognize the silver lining in a bull smashing up swaths of the federal china shop.

But no. You voted for Biden. You voted for the big government status quo. Because you like big government. Because you like the idea of the state wielding vast power over others, as long as it's your agenda on the trigger side of the firing line.
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And you voted for racism, abandoning our allies, cozying up to fascists, abandoning the rule of law. Along with ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ over immigrants.

You cool with unconvicted people being permanently deported to foreign concentration camps?
 
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theprestige said:
Six of one, half a dozen of the haters.

If you agreed with me, you'd recognize the silver lining in a bull smashing up swaths of the federal china shop.

But no. You voted for Biden. You voted for the big government status quo. Because you like big government. Because you like the idea of the state wielding vast power over others, as long as it's your agenda on the trigger side of the firing line.
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If he voted for Biden, that would have been over four years ago, when the Trump administration was the "big government status quo" of which you speak so scornfully.
 
theprestige said:
Six of one, half a dozen of the haters.

If you agreed with me, you'd recognize the silver lining in a bull smashing up swaths of the federal china shop.

But no. You voted for Biden. You voted for the big government status quo. Because you like big government. Because you like the idea of the state wielding vast power over others, as long as it's your agenda on the trigger side of the firing line.
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You will need to be specific about this w.r.t. the Trump admin and the GOP.

Nobody has a problem with judiciously trimming government waste where it is obvious. Clinton did it, if you recall, and he was a Democrat president.

But the wholesale bombing, pillaging and burning of the entire shopping district where the china shop is located is where you are at now. And the GOP are cheering it on and throwing their neighbours' furniture on the bonfire.
 
Norman Alexander said:
You will need to be specific about this w.r.t. the Trump admin and the GOP.

Nobody has a problem with judiciously trimming government waste where it is obvious. Clinton did it, if you recall, and he was a Democrat president.

But the wholesale bombing, pillaging and burning of the entire shopping district where the china shop is located is where you are at now. And the GOP are cheering it on and throwing their neighbours' furniture on the bonfire.
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Everyone who voted for Trump is happy about everything Trump is doing.
 
theprestige said:
Republicans: "Bills should be brief."
Democrats: "That's stupid!"
Republicans: "Fine, have it your way."
Democrats: "That's stupid!"
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First of all, the republicans saying "bills should be 1 page... fine they should be huge" would actually be a childish thing to do. Nice to see they are so enamored by their principles that they can be swayed by some criticism from the opposition.

Secondly, the complaint by the democrats have not been focused on the length of the bill, instead it has been:

- The content. They criticized the Trump tax plans because they will drive up the deficit and shift more of the tax burden from the wealthy on to the lower/middle class. They criticized the republican health care plan because it would leave millions without proper health insurance. They didn't campaign on the idea that "the bill had too many pages"

- How major republican bills were crafted largely in secrecy.

Consider Obamacare. When the democrats brought forward the Affordable care act, they had dozens of meetings with various congressional committees in the house and senate, hours of open consultations in public. They even accepted some republican suggestions for minor changes. The process started in the summer of 2009 and took around 8 or 9 months to finish.

On the other hand, consider some of the things republicans have done... The republican health care plan was slapped together by Moscow Mitch and some of his buddies in the back rooms with nowhere near the type of consultation that the democrats did for Obamacare They didn't even get an analysis by the CBO before passing through some of the committees. The process (from start to when it was defeated in the senate) was roughly 4 months, less than half the time the Democrats dedicated to crafting the Affordable care act. And then their was the "tax cuts for Millionaires" bill... again they crammed through a major change to the tax structure of the US with no public consultation. In fact, some version of the bill that congress was supposed to vote on actually had portions of the bill scribbled in the margins by hand (illegible and/or cut off.)
 
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