Hamas threatens Palestinian militants who break cease-fire with Israel

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http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=202833

Hamas said on Sunday that it was in contact with other groups in the Gaza Strip to calm the situation and avoid another war with Israel.

Representatives of the Islamist movement said that they have urged the groups to abide by an unofficial cease-fire with Israel and stop firing rockets and mortars at Israeli communities.

Hamas has even threatened any Palestinian who launches attacks on Israel.

Ayman Taha, a Hamas official, said that his movement did not want to give Israel an excuse to “wage a new war against the Gaza Strip.”



Lets see if they live up to this.
 
Well look, kicking their arse hard enough can produce a change.
 
A good start.

Next they can remove the sections of their charter that call for the extermination of the jews and enslavement of all other religions.
 
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
- Hamas Charter, Article 7

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam.
- Hamas Charter, Article 31

Lovely sentiment there. Killing jews until the trees start helping you find more victims, peace only possible if muslims are in charge. Hamas are nothing but a bunch of raving psychopaths. Their leadership enforcing the ceasefire isn't about seeking peace, it's about the leaders enforcing control over thier trigger-happy minions.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam.
- Hamas Charter, Article 31
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth
Next they can remove the sections of their charter that call for the extermination of the jews and enslavement of all other religions.

peace and quiet under the wing of Islam= enslavement?

please, tell us how can all the Jews be exterminated if they live in peace and quiet under the wing of Islam?

fascinating. :)
 
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Thunder said:
peace and quiet under the wing of Islam= enslavement?
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Given that we already live in peace and quiet with fellow citizens of other faiths under a secular democratic government that rules with the consent of the governed, yes, that's enslavement.

These people want us to allow them to replace our consitutional systems of government with an islamic theocracy and we have only their word that they will be nice to us once we've acknowledged them as our masters.

Maybe you want to bend over and lick the feet of your master, Parky. But few of us are interested in being treated like pet dogs in a fascist apartheid state.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Maybe you want to bend over and lick the feet of your master, Parky. But few of us are interested in being treated like pet dogs in a fascist apartheid state.
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don't you hate it when folks just toss around the words "fascism" and "apartheid" like they were a frisbee?

:p
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Unreasoning hatred makes people believe stupid things.
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now now, no need to get personal. ;)

and my statement, unlike yours....can be backed up. I have already created a thread about Israel allowing a wealthy American Jew build a housing complex just for Jews, in East Jerusalem. Such discriminatory and bigoted housing policies are very reminiscent of Apartheid South Africa.
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
I backed my statement up. I quoted the Hamas Charter directly.
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followers of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam cannot coexist in peace and quiet, if the Jews have all been exterminated.

wouldn't you say?

nevermind the fact that Hamas is not Fascist. They are authoritarian and autocratic, but not Fascist.
 
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Mycroft said:
Well look, kicking their arse hard enough can produce a change.
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What's the rate of rocket launches compared to the ceasefire before Cast Lead?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rocket_and_mortar_attacks_in_Israel_in_2008#June

Seems Hamas eventually managed to control the other groups quite well, especially by August. So what has changed? Hamas is still arming itself, just as it was before. Hamas is still preparing attacks, just as it was before. Hamas is seeking to prevent rocket launches, just as it was before (though, currently, it seems less successful). Seems to me that Cast Lead accomplished nothing beyond what the previous agreement accomplished -- other than the destruction, of course. And the situation today may even be a little worse, given that Hamas is less able to stop other groups launching rockets.

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ditto.
See earlier threads on this subject.
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
- Hamas Charter, Article 7

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam.
- Hamas Charter, Article 31

Lovely sentiment there. Killing jews until the trees start helping you find more victims, peace only possible if muslims are in charge. Hamas are nothing but a bunch of raving psychopaths. Their leadership enforcing the ceasefire isn't about seeking peace, it's about the leaders enforcing control over thier trigger-happy minions.
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so they don't want to kill all the Jews like you initially claimed.

interesting.
 
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so they don't want to kill all the Jews like you initially claimed.
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yes, and I should thank him. usually, when folks try to lie about Hamas wanting to kill all Jews, they only cite the quote from the Hamas Charter about trees and rocks. which can be interpreted as war against all Jews.

but now, we have a later quote, which suggests Jews, Christians, and Muslims living together in peace and harmony, under Islam.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that Jews, Christians, and Muslims cannot live in peace and harmony, if ALL the Jews of the world, let alone Israel, have been exterminated.

thanks guys. I appreciate the assistance.

:)
 
just ****** when your not a member of one of those 3 cults. ;)
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Indeed. You and parky both get your asses handed to you on this topic on a semi-regular basis.
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fine, I shall ask you again:

how can someone honestly read the Hamas Charter and state that it calls for the extermination of all Jews, when the charter talks about Jews, Muslims, and Christians living together in harmony under Islam?

come on, SOT, you can admit you are wrong. Its ok.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Still ignoring your strawman.
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translation: "I refuse to respond to an argument which I now see I have lost. I now understand the contradiction in saying that the Hamas Charter calls for the extermination of all the Jews of the world, when in fact one of its sections clearly says that Jews, Christians, and Muslims can live together in harmony under Islam."
 
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Thunder said:
fine, I shall ask you again:

how can someone honestly read the Hamas Charter and state that it calls for the extermination of all Jews, when the charter talks about Jews, Muslims, and Christians living together in harmony under Islam?

come on, SOT, you can admit you are wrong. Its ok.
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It calls for oppression. Dhimmitude, if you will (another neologism) if they are conquered.
 
IDB87 said:
It calls for oppression. Dhimmitude, if you will (another neologism) if they are conquered.
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this is what we call "moving of the goalposts".

and btw, one could argue that Dhimmi status is sort of the Muslim version of Apartheid and Segregation....which Israel clearly supports.
 
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Thunder said:
translation: "I refuse to respond to an argument which I now see I have lost. "
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You're masking your own lies and failures by doing your childish little "translation" trick again.

Talk to me again when you figure out what "genocide" means and you've reached your fourteenth birthday.
 
Thunder said:
this is what we call "moving of the goalposts".

and btw, one could argue that Dhimmi status is sort of the Muslim version of Apartheid and Segregation.
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For SoT maybe. It's not my position that their charter calls for ONLY the extermination of the Jews.

Perhaps I should have been more clear.

When Hamas' charter says other [religions of the books] can live under Islam, they quite literally mean under it. Oppression after being conquered, and a status of dhimmitude. I see nothing harmonic about that.
 
IDB87 said:
When Hamas' charter says other [religions of the books] can live under Islam, they quite literally mean under it. Oppression after being conquered, and a status of dhimmitude. I see nothing harmonic about that.
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I find it odd that Hamas would say "Jews, Christians, and Muslims" can live in peace and quiet under Islam, when they really mean...under Islamic oppression.

But hey, that's your interpretation. And to each his own.

Now, could it be argued that the Hamas Charter calls for fighting all Jews until they submit to the rule of Islam? yes.

But we all know from history, that just because non-Muslims live under Islamic rule, doesn't mean they are being oppressed. The centuries the Jews spent in Muslim-ruled Spain is known as "The Golden Age", by Jews.
 
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