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Gifford/Arizona shooter is a 9-11 Truther

chipmunk stew said:
No, you're the one who is using that murder as a rhetorical weapon against your own pet target.
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Chipmunk,

Truthers paint themselves as the targets, because they do idiotic stuff like Loughner, Sean Fitzgerald, Curtiss Maynard, James W. Von Brunn, Kurt Sonnenfeld did.

Demonizing me for their actions isn't solving anything! :rolleyes:
 
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9/11 Chewy Defense said:
Chipmunk,

Truthers paint themselves as the targets, because they do idiotic stuff like Loughner, Sean Fitzgerald, Curtiss Maynard James W. Von Brunn, Kurt Sonnenfeld did.

Demonizing me for their actions isn't solving anything! :rolleyes:
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No, you're right. Calling out your fallacious comments (AKA "demonizing" you) isn't solving anything. You will continue blogging about how horrible the evil Truthers are and engaging in tribal flame wars. I'm sure eventually you will win and all the Truthers will be vanquished. Carry on.
 
chipmunk stew said:
No, you're right. Calling out your fallacious comments (AKA "demonizing" you) isn't solving anything. You will continue blogging about how horrible the evil Truthers are and engaging in tribal flame wars. I'm sure eventually you will win and all the Truthers will be vanquished. Carry on.
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What's with the hostility? Don't like my opinions, don't read them! :rolleyes:
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
Just about everyone here knows that if anyone is saying that 9/11 was caused by the Government, they are in fact "truthers".
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Oh my, that means I am a "truther". I carry a G22 (40 cal) with a 15 round mag loaded up and 2 extras (45 rounds total) just about everywhere I go. I am a threat to society because I am an armed "truther" :eye-poppi

Quick, someone call the NWO!
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
What's with the hostility? Don't like my opinions, don't read them! :rolleyes:
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This is a skeptics forum. If you state an opinion that's baseless, you should expect it to be challenged.

The hostility, such as it is, comes from the feeling that you are trivializing this tragedy by shoehorning the blame onto your own personal enemy. You are by no means alone in this.
 
BCR said:
Oh my, that means I am a "truther". I carry a G22 (40 cal) with a 15 round mag loaded up and 2 extras (45 rounds total) just about everywhere I go. I am a threat to society because I am an armed "truther" :eye-poppi

Quick, someone call the NWO!
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If you have a permit to carry & aren't a mentally ill "Truther", then you're fine! :D
 
chipmunk stew said:
This is a skeptics forum. If you state an opinion that's baseless, you should expect it to be challenged.

The hostility, such as it is, comes from the feeling that you are trivializing this tragedy by shoehorning the blame onto your own personal enemy. You are by no means alone in this.
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How can it be challenged when some Truthers took matters into their own hands?

Baseless? I suggest you Google: Sean Fitzgerald, Curtiss Maynard, James W. Von Brunn, & Kurt Sonnenfeld.

I can't help it that my constitutional right to protect my country says that I have a right to defend it from enemies, both foreign & domestic.

You want to deny me that right?
 
I think it's fair to say that, if he believed either LIHOP or MIHOP he would be accurately described as a 9/11 Truther.

Reading his youtube comments and so forth, his thought processes are seriously scrambled; disorganized. He might even be schizophrenic for all we know.

But to deny that a 9/11 Truther has been influenced by the 9/11 Truth movement is a bit farcical - from where else do truthers get their ideas?
 
alienentity said:
I think it's fair to say that, if he believed either LIHOP or MIHOP he would be accurately described as a 9/11 Truther.

Reading his youtube comments and so forth, his thought processes are seriously scrambled; disorganized. He might even be schizophrenic for all we know.

But to deny that a 9/11 Truther has been influenced by the 9/11 Truth movement is a bit farcical - from where else do truthers get their ideas?
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I don't deny that the "truth" movement had it's influences (no one does). I just argue that the "truth" movement had anything to do with the thought processes (or lack there of) that lead up to this.

I'm sure you understand the distinction.
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
How can it be challenged when some Truthers took matters into their own hands?

Baseless? I suggest you Google: Sean Fitzgerald, Curtiss Maynard, James W. Von Brunn, & Kurt Sonnenfeld.
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Of those, only Von Brunn could be said to be acting out of his conspiracy beliefs, of which 9/11 conspiracies was only a part. Like Maynard, he was primarily an anti-Semite White Nationalist type.

Fitzgerald appears to have been mentally ill, and his murder of his dad had nothing to do with his beliefs about 9/11.

There is no indication that the violence perpetrated by Maynard or (allegedly) Sonnenfeld had anything to do with their conspiracy beliefs.

It's a near certainty that the population of 9/11 Truthers encompasses a higher rate of mental illness than the population as a whole. That doesn't mean that a belief that 9/11 was an Inside Job causes, or is even predictive of, mental illness or violence.

The facts simply aren't there to back up such an assertion.

9/11 Chewy Defense said:
I can't help it that my constitutional right to protect my country says that I have a right to defend it from enemies, both foreign & domestic.
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Cool melodrama, bro.

9/11 Chewy Defense said:
You want to deny me that right?
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Yes. That's exactly what I want, as anyone can easily surmise from reading my responses to you. It's plain as day.
 
alienentity said:
Not to be argumentative, but haven't his friends claimed that he thought 9/11 was an inside job, or something to that effect?
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I've not seen any interviews with his friends that specifically quoted that aspect. While I've seen it "tossed into" the story, there's no specific attribution to a friend.
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There are many ways in which those who distrust "the government" might feel "the government is behind 9/11" without necessarily being a stereotypical "twoofer."

Not to defend his heinous actions, but the association to "9/11 Truth" is not well-supported.
 
DGM said:
I don't deny that the "truth" movement had it's influences (no one does). I just argue that the "truth" movement had anything to do with the thought processes (or lack there of) that lead up to this.

I'm sure you understand the distinction.
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We're all guessing, so one can't form a lot of conclusions. But as I've posted, I've been threatened many times by truthers - verbally, albeit, but it's the general combination of paranoia and utter disrespect for any 'authority' figure who supports the 'government' position that I'm referring to.

I fear it does influence the weak-minded, possibly to harm those they perceive as enemies.

To be fair I don't think there's any difference between these kinds of beliefs/actions and those of religious fanatics goaded by inflammatory rhetoric.

Hatred and demonization of identifiable groups is correlated with physical attacks on them. I'm sure we agree on that point.
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
We can be suspisious of all of them, but a small subset of them actually do take actions into their own hands.
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I am with you on that, I don't trust any of them either, especially with so many of them regularly ranting about committing violence. It's not like they are being falsely accused and slandered. They even openly admit that their main mission is to obsesses on recruiting with the hopes to spark some mass uprising.

These CT cults are akin to and often even adopt racists groups, extreme political groups and their ideals. There isn't a positive or a good side to this.
 
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JihadJane said:
Indeed, who says this, Parky?

I doubt if there is a single group of able-bodied human beings on the planet to which your mysterious “they” could apply this claim.
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Just as I thought, no condemndation from you or the other truthers that lurk this forum.
 
NBC Nightly News just mentioned that he was a fan of Zeitgeist and Loose Change. No mention of where they got that from.


Steve S
 
The guy had so many batcrap crazy beliefs that is gonna be hard to pick which ones caused him to go on a shooting spree.
But whether or not 9/11 Truth was the specific one, I would classify 9/11 Truth as Batcrap Crazy......
 
dudalb said:
The guy had so many batcrap crazy beliefs that is gonna be hard to pick which ones caused him to go on a shooting spree.
But whether or not 9/11 Truth was the specific one, I would classify 9/11 Truth as Batcrap Crazy......
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Obvious media propaganda to discredit those fine documentaries.












:rolleyes:
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
Chipmunk,

Truthers paint themselves as the targets, because they do idiotic stuff like Loughner, Sean Fitzgerald, Curtiss Maynard, James W. Von Brunn, Kurt Sonnenfeld did.

Demonizing me for their actions isn't solving anything! :rolleyes:
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Dont forget Richard Poplosky, the cop killing truther scum.

People who beleive in 9/11 twoof are insipid delusional morons. Insipid delusional morons who get indoctrinated into idiotic cult beleifs often commit henious acts out of frustration because no one pays them attention, and those who dont are part of the problem. Truthers have a penchant for violent behavior, deal with it.
 
steve s said:
NBC Nightly News just mentioned that he was a fan of Zeitgeist and Loose Change. No mention of where they got that from.
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That's surprising.

We (ATS) have found ourselves in the unfortunate position to have had him as a member (last active in September, 2010), and have been fielding media requests regarding his posts. No where did he ever express an opinion on 9/11, or post in threads within the 9/11 forum.
 
SkepticGuy said:
That's surprising.

We (ATS) have found ourselves in the unfortunate position to have had him as a member (last active in September, 2010), and have been fielding media requests regarding his posts. No where did he ever express an opinion on 9/11, or post in threads within the 9/11 forum.
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Oh, Above Top Secret? People seem to think he posted as 'Erad3'
There is some mention about his being interested in 'space exploration conspiracies'
 
From Erad3 (Jared Loughner) 'Space Shuttle is not possible because rocket fuel does not take flight in space.
Space is vacuum, not air.
Rocket fuel would get sucked up into vacuum.
Therefore, Space Shuttle flying in orbit around Earth is impossible. '

Why does this sound so similar to 'fires cannot destroy a steel highrise because...' or 'Flight 77 could not have flown into the Pentagon because...'

OK, granted, the guy is a looneytune, but man does the thought process sound familiar.
 
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