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General UK politics VIII - The Last Tory

Andy_Ross said:
MPs will debate an online petition calling for a re-run of July's general election, after it garnered over 2.8 million signatures.

A debate has been scheduled in Westminster Hall, a secondary debating chamber where such petitions are discussed, on 6 January.

It has become the third most popular e-petition since 2010, easily surpassing the 100,000 signatures required for a debate to take place.

www.bbc.co.uk

MPs to debate petition calling for another election

A petition calling for another vote will be debated in January, after gathering 2.7m signatures.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Should start a petition to completely reverse Brexit, given that has been such a demonstrably outstanding failure.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Should start a petition to completely reverse Brexit, given that has been such a demonstrably outstanding failure.
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There is this

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Apply for the UK to join the European Union as a full member as soon as possible

I believe joining the EU would boost the economy, increase global influence, improve collaboration and provide stability & freedom. I believe that Brexit hasn't brought any tangible benefit and there is no future prospect of any, that the UK has changed its mind and that this should be recognised.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk

It is the time to start campaigning for this, even though I suspect getting towards a Norwegian style deal (including the freedom of movement and being a rule taker) is probably the best we can actually hope for.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Should start a petition to completely reverse Brexit, given that has been such a demonstrably outstanding failure.
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There already was one, which got over 6 million signatures. Guess how much notice the then government took?

petition.parliament.uk

Archived Petition: Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
 
Darat said:
You think a poor farmer working from 5am to midnight 7 days a week, and barely keeping a roof over their head can afford either the cost or time to get inheritance planning advice?
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You made a slight typo there, it's from 12 noon to 12:30 two days a week. Poor lad had to doulbe his hours from the old job!
 
zooterkin said:
There already was one, which got over 6 million signatures. Guess how much notice the then government took?

petition.parliament.uk

Archived Petition: Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
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Hopefully, Starmer will ask if the number of petition signatures is a measure of the importance of these petitions. I expect that will be an affirmative from Reform and the Tories. Then he should ask if 6 million plus signatures puts a petition at the top of the list of importance in getting enacted, being the peoples' voice and all that. That, too, would probably be a yes - the Faragists are demonstrably that dumb. Then table this petition and see if it will get their vote to proceed...

No? Oh, then if 6 million signatures is not enough signatures to proceed, a petition with a fraction of that has no chance. Next topic, please.

Yes? The Faragist Leavers just voted to ask Britain to rejoin the EU. THAT would be hilarious! :)
 
jimbob said:
There is this

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Apply for the UK to join the European Union as a full member as soon as possible

I believe joining the EU would boost the economy, increase global influence, improve collaboration and provide stability & freedom. I believe that Brexit hasn't brought any tangible benefit and there is no future prospect of any, that the UK has changed its mind and that this should be recognised.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk

It is the time to start campaigning for this, even though I suspect getting towards a Norwegian style deal (including the freedom of movement and being a rule taker) is probably the best we can actually hope for.
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The UK will find it impossible to get a Norway style deal for a long time, especially as it's not currently living up to its existing deal. Have to show you're capable first.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Very few working farmers own their land in the UK. Unless their "farming" grouse.
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I disagree, well over 80% own some or all of the land they farm.

The figures were provided upthread, 14% being wholly tenanted and 31% being hybrid (that's reasonably common around here, a farmer owns most of the land they farm but rent some additional land).

Unless you're just going to arbitrarily decide that owning land automatically makes you not a "working farmer". :xrolleyes
 
The Don said:
I disagree, well over 80% own some or all of the land they farm.

The figures were provided upthread, 14% being wholly tenanted and 31% being hybrid (that's reasonably common around here, a farmer owns most of the land they farm but rent some additional land).

Unless you're just going to arbitrarily decide that owning land automatically makes you not a "working farmer". :xrolleyes
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It would be interesting to see it analysed the other way around, what % of the farmland is owned by the farmers working it vs tenants. We know that Dyson for example holds land orders of magnitude higher than the average farm.

Also do shooting estates count as farmland for these purposes?
 
Usually a grouse moor round here is owned by one of the big estates and they manage the heather for shooting and a tenant farmer runs sheep on them.
A lot of the shooting rights are leased out to third parties.

For example Musgrave Castle belonging to the Zetland Estate, on the coast near Whitby along with it's grouse moor (one of the best in the country) used to be leased to Elle MacPherson.

Like Skelton Castle and Guisborough Hall estates as well as the grouse moors there are extensive woodlands for pheasant.

As a youngster I used to earn a bit of money as a beater on the shoots at Skelton Castle.
 
Former Conservative MP Dame Andrea Jenkyns has joined Reform UK and will stand as the party's candidate to be mayor of Greater Lincolnshire in May 2025.

Dame Andrea, who lost her seat in the July general election, said she had "fought to the bitter end" but the Conservative Party was now "beyond salvage".

She said Reform UK were "patriotic bravehearts" who would "deliver the fresh start this country so desperately needs".

www.bbc.co.uk

Former Conservative MP Andrea Jenkyns joins Reform UK

Dame Andrea, who lost her seat in July, says the Conservative Party is beyond salvage.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Andy_Ross said:
Former Conservative MP Dame Andrea Jenkyns has joined Reform UK and will stand as the party's candidate to be mayor of Greater Lincolnshire in May 2025.

Dame Andrea, who lost her seat in the July general election, said she had "fought to the bitter end" but the Conservative Party was now "beyond salvage".

She said Reform UK were "patriotic bravehearts" who would "deliver the fresh start this country so desperately needs".

www.bbc.co.uk

Former Conservative MP Andrea Jenkyns joins Reform UK

Dame Andrea, who lost her seat in July, says the Conservative Party is beyond salvage.
www.bbc.co.uk
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They live in a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ fantasy world where they're brave heroes.

Meanwhile, Victoria Atkins has claimed they passed on a lower national debt than they inherited. Whether she doesn't know the difference between debt and deficit or doesn't know that £800mil is less than £2.7 Trillion is unclear. She does have form, iirc she didn't understand that lower inflation meant prices were going up more slowly not that they were going down.
 
Apparently that's the last nail in Starmer's coffin.
Appointing a fraudster as Transport Secretary.
 
According to Kelvin Mackenzie

"He promoted a crook to his shadow cabinet knowing she had not disclosed her criminality to the voters of Sheffield Heeley in either the 2015 or 2019 elections. Defrauding the electorate is a serious offence. Starmer should go. Now."
 
Andy_Ross said:
According to Kelvin Mackenzie

"He promoted a crook to his shadow cabinet knowing she had not disclosed her criminality to the voters of Sheffield Heeley in either the 2015 or 2019 elections. Defrauding the electorate is a serious offence. Starmer should go. Now."
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I don't think Mackenzie even knows where Heeley is.

He certainly doesn't know what hypocrisy means, or else isn't too bothered about it.
 
I've heard a couple of Kneecap tracks on the radio and they sounded like an interesting, politically charged and engaged act.

Seems that they were a little too interesting, politically charged and engaged for the last Conservative government and especially the current Conservative Party leader.

Belfast rap group Kneecap has won its discrimination case against the UK government over a decision by then minister Kemi Badenoch to withdraw an arts grant.

The decision, taken when the now Conservative leader was business and trade minister, was described in court by Kneecap's barrister as "unlawful and procedurally unfair".
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www.bbc.co.uk

Kneecap: Belfast rap group wins case against UK government

A funding award of £15,000 to the band was blocked by former Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Badenoch has criticized the government for not squandering tens of thousands fighting the Kneecap decision likening it to the Chagos Islands deal.

Of course there are big differences. For a start with the latter, the government was simply putting in force a deal the Conservatives put in place. In the former, it would appear that the Conservatives seemed to be willing to waste money virtue signalling at a time when the public finances are a mess. Of course the sums are small compared to the tens of billions in the public sector cash black hole.
 
I was impressed, and amazed, by David Davis (yes, him) making a rational and reasonable point; the case for keeping the debate going by voting for the bill., therwise it would be dropped for at least a decade.
 
Reform UK skip debate on future of fishing after claiming they are only interested party

Representatives from the Reform UK party were nowhere to be seen as MPs debated the UK fishing industry in parliament.

Richard Tice had claimed that they are the only party that will protect and promote British fishing, but they were noticeably absent when the issue came up in parliament.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Reform UK skip debate on future of fishing after claiming they are only interested party

Richard Tice was slapped with a Community Note on X after claiming that only Reform UK will protect and promote British fishing.
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catsmate said:
I was impressed, and amazed, by David Davis (yes, him) making a rational and reasonable point; the case for keeping the debate going by voting for the bill., therwise it would be dropped for at least a decade.
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This is what it looks like when Parliament functions as intended, debating an idea and trying to thrash out a reasonable policy.
 
Garrison said:
This is what it looks like when Parliament functions as intended, debating an idea and trying to thrash out a reasonable policy.
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It's a shock to see it happening though. Perhaps whipping (in the parliamentary sense) should be banned?
 
Elon says he has the "blueprint to a Reform government in 2029."

Plans are being made to save Britain.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Elon says he has the "blueprint to a Reform government in 2029."

Plans are being made to save Britain.
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Well if this is in line with his other plans I wouldn't expect much before 2035, and that assumes the Trump regime makes it to 2028.
 
catsmate said:
It's a shock to see it happening though. Perhaps whipping (in the parliamentary sense) should be banned?
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Whipping is probably fair enough for things that were in a party’s manifesto or charter (or whipping against things which directly contradict something in there); the constituency elected them on that basis and should expect them to put those things through to the best of their ability. For other things, it would be nice to see more free votes and better debate.
 
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