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[Continuation] General UK Politics V Suella Strikes Back

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The Don said:
Looks like the Conservatives are once again reverting to type by proposing to cut benefits for people who cannot work due to ill health :mad:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67385385

There's already been an unprecedented rise in the number of people in poverty, why not give it an extra push, take billions from those who can afford it least, hamstring the economy, and give the very richest some unneeded tax breaks ?
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Been planning this for a while - and denying it for a while.

Quite ironic really isn't it - someone can't work because waiting for knee replacements, the waiting list is a year, cut your benefits so you lose your home, out on the streets and we're confiscating your tent. Tory's "lifestyle choice" - means your choice to not to be born to rich parents.
 
The tents are already being destroyed

Homeless tents destroyed during Met Police operation

Refuse workers threw the tents into the back of their lorry on Huntley Street, Camden, at about 15:00 GMT on Friday.

Elodie Berland, who volunteers with outreach organisation Streets Kitchen, recorded the scene after being called there by some of the homeless men.

The Met said it "worked with University College London Hospital and other partners in response to concerns".
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Ms Berland, Camden resident and Streets Kitchen volunteer of six years, said the homeless men "had everything taken away from them".

She said that about 10 tents were destroyed along with the men's personal belongings as the Met issued a S35 dispersal order, which requires people to vacate an area for a maximum of 48 hours.
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A spokesperson for the Met Police said that one man was arrested for breach of a S35 dispersal order and was taken into police custody.

They added that "partner organisations" are providing support "to those affected".
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A University College London Hospital (UCLH) spokesperson said "public health concerns" prompted the action.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67392992


Who would throw their belongings in to a bin lorry?
 
Cameron was seen going in to No 10.

Surely they aren't bringing him back?
 
Apparently so, he's being put into the House of Lords and will become foreign secretary.

First meeting with any EU counterpart should be a riot...
 
That's it - I give up.

My world has passed and I now live in Bizarre world where anything can happen.
 
There's something karmic about it though, the person responsible for the greatest foreign policy screw up of living memory being handed the foreign policy brief :D
 
It's official David Cameron is the new Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs.
 
KDLarsen said:
Apparently so, he's being put into the House of Lords and will become foreign secretary.

First meeting with any EU counterpart should be a riot...
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Off the top of my head that's the third unelected ministerial appointment under this generation of Tories (although Cameron has the distinction of having had been elected in the past unlike Frost & Warsi) not bad for the party that thought we had to leave the EU because of the "Unelected Bureaucrats".


ETA: Although that aside Cameron is probably an order of magnitude better than almost anyone else available in the current Tory Parliamentary Party.
 
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Darat said:
Been planning this for a while - and denying it for a while.

Quite ironic really isn't it - someone can't work because waiting for knee replacements, the waiting list is a year, cut your benefits so you lose your home, out on the streets and we're confiscating your tent. Tory's "lifestyle choice" - means your choice to not to be born to rich parents.
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[TORYLOGIC]Well, if you can't be bothered to have one of your Eton or Oxford chums give you a couple more 3hr a month non-exec 'jobs' to top up your universal credit then that's your lookout.[/TORYLOGIC]
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Off the top of my head that's the third unelected ministerial appointment under this generation of Tories (although Cameron has the distinction of having had been elected in the past unlike Frost & Warsi) not bad for the party that thought we had to leave the EU because of the "Unelected Bureaucrats".


ETA: Although that aside Cameron is probably an order of magnitude better than almost anyone else available in the current Tory Parliamentary Party.
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Sad.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Off the top of my head that's the third unelected ministerial appointment under this generation of Tories (although Cameron has the distinction of having had been elected in the past unlike Frost & Warsi) not bad for the party that thought we had to leave the EU because of the "Unelected Bureaucrats".


ETA: Although that aside Cameron is probably an order of magnitude better than almost anyone else available in the current Tory Parliamentary Party.
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Yup

He should turn a few more safe seats into marginals though
 
I suppose that it's perhaps maybe possible that Cleverly is less worse than Braverman both as a Home Secretary and as a human being - though that's a very low bar.

Cameron as Foreign Secretary is a sick joke IMO. He was a failure as Prime Minister and is responsible for the international relations omnishambles that is Brexit. The fact that he's being rewarded with a position in the House of Lords to allow him to accept the post is thumbing a nose at the British public and, as P.J. Denyer says upthread, it makes a mockery of complaints about the lack of democracy in the EU.
 
The Don said:
...Cameron as Foreign Secretary is a sick joke IMO. He was a failure as Prime Minister and is responsible for the international relations omnishambles that is Brexit. ....
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You guys had Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary and then as Prime Minister....in what universe was that a smart thing to do?
 
The Don said:
I suppose that it's perhaps maybe possible that Cleverly is less worse than Braverman both as a Home Secretary and as a human being - though that's a very low bar.

Cameron as Foreign Secretary is a sick joke IMO. He was a failure as Prime Minister and is responsible for the international relations omnishambles that is Brexit. The fact that he's being rewarded with a position in the House of Lords to allow him to accept the post is thumbing a nose at the British public and, as P.J. Denyer says upthread, it makes a mockery of complaints about the lack of democracy in the EU.
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Cameron is smarter, will treat the job more seriously & has better relationships with other country's leaders than the other possible options. That's not an endorsement, just a measure of how low the bar is now. Short of a general election I think he's as about good as we could have hoped for. :(
 
Cameron was part of the Tory sleaze over expenses, he made the largest miscall in modern UK politics with the Brexit referendum and he is in the pocket of very wealthy people and part of the Etonian clique. That is who Sunak thinks is the best person for the job.
 
Cameron also dodged the Greensill Capital scandal, in which he lobbied one R. Sunak quite hard on the formers behalf...
 
The Don said:
I suppose that it's perhaps maybe possible that Cleverly is less worse than Braverman both as a Home Secretary and as a human being - though that's a very low bar.

Cameron as Foreign Secretary is a sick joke IMO. He was a failure as Prime Minister and is responsible for the international relations omnishambles that is Brexit. The fact that he's being rewarded with a position in the House of Lords to allow him to accept the post is thumbing a nose at the British public and, as P.J. Denyer says upthread, it makes a mockery of complaints about the lack of democracy in the EU.
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It also means he doesn't have to answer questions in the commons.
 
The Don said:
I suppose that it's perhaps maybe possible that Cleverly is less worse than Braverman both as a Home Secretary and as a human being - though that's a very low bar.

Cameron as Foreign Secretary is a sick joke IMO. He was a failure as Prime Minister and is responsible for the international relations omnishambles that is Brexit. The fact that he's being rewarded with a position in the House of Lords to allow him to accept the post is thumbing a nose at the British public and, as P.J. Denyer says upthread, it makes a mockery of complaints about the lack of democracy in the EU.
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He only had one failure as a prime minister and that was Brexit. You may not like some of the things he did before that time, but he was competent right up until he decided to do something about the anti-EU wing of his party.

Another point: governments have been promoting people to the HoL as a means of getting them into government for decades, if not centuries, and not just Tory governments.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Off the top of my head that's the third unelected ministerial appointment under this generation of Tories (although Cameron has the distinction of having had been elected in the past unlike Frost & Warsi) not bad for the party that thought we had to leave the EU because of the "Unelected Bureaucrats".


ETA: Although that aside Cameron is probably an order of magnitude better than almost anyone else available in the current Tory Parliamentary Party.
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Which is quite an achievement, as Call me Dave has absolutely no talents in any field.
 
Nessie said:
Cameron was part of the Tory sleaze over expenses, he made the largest miscall in modern UK politics with the Brexit referendum and he is in the pocket of very wealthy people and part of the Etonian clique. That is who Sunak thinks is the best person for the job.
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It's also quite probable that he's committed a criminal fraud lobbying for Greensill to get government preference while knowing it was trading while insolvent.
 
jeremyp said:
He only had one failure as a prime minister and that was Brexit. You may not like some of the things he did before that time, but he was competent right up until he decided to do something about the anti-EU wing of his party.

Another point: governments have been promoting people to the HoL as a means of getting them into government for decades, if not centuries, and not just Tory governments.
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There's also the seven million he acquired from Greensill Capital. Plus the moral cowardice that triggered the Brexit debacle. Oh and the dodgy expenses.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Which is quite an achievement, as Call me Dave has absolutely no talents in any field.
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Not being deliberately, performatively evil put him a step ahead of other candidates. Indeed the only possible way to get anyone better suited to the job would be to go to a crowded place and throw something and see who you hit.
 
jeremyp said:
He only had one failure as a prime minister and that was Brexit. You may not like some of the things he did before that time, but he was competent right up until he decided to do something about the anti-EU wing of his party.

Another point: governments have been promoting people to the HoL as a means of getting them into government for decades, if not centuries, and not just Tory governments.
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Austerity was arguably worse than Brexit IMO.
 
So today I found myself in a parallel universe. I was out driving along a winding country road, fields on either side, on a dull November day with a fine drizzle, listening to the dulcet tones of Matt Monro on Radio Nostalgia, a local small town radio station. ‘It would taaaaake, I knooooow, a Michaelangelo…’ This led me into a reverie of how alike Monro's clipped cockney tones were to his contemporary, Anthony Newley, himself a strong influence on David Bowie, when we were - rather rudely I thought - cut off, just as I was singing along to '..and he would need the glow of dawn...' to give way to the hourly news broadcast. Usually, this is unlistened-to white noise, but this time my ears pricked up to hear the words ‘British government’ and ‘David Cameron’. WOW!!! On this station, even the news is nostalgia and going back in time!!! How clever! Then followed the truly sublime tones of Justin Hayward and Nights in White Satin. Reader, it was then I realised how incredibly amazing my new sporty little car’s six-speaker sound system was, with the song’s gorgeous strings sending me off into seventh heaven. On arriving home, of course, I had to check the news about Kammy and YES!!! My suspicions were correct: <fx punch the air> Suella Braverman’s gone! <fx happy little dance>.

Oh, what a beautiful morning, oh, what a beautiful day…

Simon Jenkin’s column in the GUARDIAN, ‘When David Cameron is the solution you know you are in deep trouble’, is possibly his best one yet.
 
The Don said:
Austerity was arguably worse than Brexit IMO.
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I don't know if I'd say 'worse' as the long term effects of Brexit have yet to fully play out, but certainly terrible, it arguably stalled the recovery 4 years compared to the trajectory Brown left him, austerity cost thousands of lives & it's impact on the NHS cost thousands more directly & in it's impact when COVID hit. And his lasting legacy is the current Tory party which is so bad that having him back seems like a better option than any of it's MPs.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I don't know if I'd say 'worse' as the long term effects of Brexit have yet to fully play out, but certainly terrible, it arguably stalled the recovery 4 years compared to the trajectory Brown left him, austerity cost thousands of lives & it's impact on the NHS cost thousands more directly & in it's impact when COVID hit. And his lasting legacy is the current Tory party which is so bad that having him back seems like a better option than any of it's MPs.
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I guess my point is that Cameron wasn't an OK Prime Minister except for Brexit. Even without Brexit, austerity, his corruption, his cowardice towards UKIP, his failure to engage the EU and a host of other things would have marked him out as a bad PM - albeit not as abject as most of the creatures who have followed.
 
The Don said:
I guess my point is that Cameron wasn't an OK Prime Minister except for Brexit. Even without Brexit, austerity, his corruption, his cowardice towards UKIP, his failure to engage the EU and a host of other things would have marked him out as a bad PM - albeit not as abject as most of the creatures who have followed.
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I have to agree. We do tend to look at the past through rose-tinted glasses, especially when the near past and near future are terrible!
 
The Don said:
I guess my point is that Cameron wasn't an OK Prime Minister except for Brexit. Even without Brexit, austerity, his corruption, his cowardice towards UKIP, his failure to engage the EU and a host of other things would have marked him out as a bad PM - albeit not as abject as most of the creatures who have followed.
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Oh I completely agree,I certainly wasn't arguing.
 
I remember Paxman describing Cameron as the worst British Prime Minister, although there has been a high level of competition since then.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Oh I completely agree,I certainly wasn't arguing.
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I think this poster disagrees. ;) :D


jeremyp said:
He only had one failure as a prime minister and that was Brexit. You may not like some of the things he did before that time, but he was competent right up until he decided to do something about the anti-EU wing of his party.

Another point: governments have been promoting people to the HoL as a means of getting them into government for decades, if not centuries, and not just Tory governments.
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