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Cont: General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber

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Darat said:
FTFY

It is an entirely a made-up persona and an affectation.
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Absolutely.

As calculated as Johnson's loveable bumbling toff whose good for a laugh.

Il Channeling Walter Softie and Lord Snooty makes him a figure of fun, which hides his radical right-wing authoritarianism
 
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dudalb said:
Rees-Mogg : to this Yank he comes off like every negative streotype of the snotty ,obnoxious British Upper Class Snob every done by Hollywood.
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That's because you're a Yank. If you understood the subtleties of British culture, you'd know that he only comes across like every negative streotype of the snotty, obnoxious British Upper Class Snob every done by Hollywood because he is a snotty obnoxious British Upper Class Snob.

I disagree with your assessment only because I'd toss in other words like "supercilious", "condescending" and "wanker".
 
Once again the Conservative government clearly show where their priorities lie. They managed to find £1bn to pay for changes to the pension system to allow the very rich to get even richer but are halving the social care reform budget - presumably to help fund it. :mad:

Funding promised to develop the social care workforce in England has been halved, the government has confirmed.

In 2021 the government pledged "at least" £500 million for reforms, to be spent on training places and technology over three years.

But that figure is now £250 million, according to the Department of Health
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65171795
 
Lawson has finally died. Climate change denier, Brexit enthusiast and monetarist.
 
catsmate said:
Lawson has finally died. Climate change denier, Brexit enthusiast and monetarist.
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Yes, pretty much what I said.

He helped set the scene for a disastrous set of economic ideas.
 
91. It's strange - I knew given my age he had to be very old but in my mind he's forever stuck in that "middle age bloke" category.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-of-throwing-in-the-towel-over-sewage-scandal

So, according to Therese Coffey no-one can do anything about the state of the UK water industry...

Someone remind me what has happened to those lovely private sector folk who, we were assured when the whole lot was sold off, would be able to access other funding streams for investment in new sewers and water treatment plants and improved supplies? Where did they go?

It was refreshing to hear Feargal Sharkey on PM last week saying pretty much what I say about where the ******* money has gone: i.e. not into improved services but off into bonuses and divvies.

But nothing can be done...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-of-throwing-in-the-towel-over-sewage-scandal

So, according to Therese Coffey no-one can do anything about the state of the UK water industry...

Someone remind me what has happened to those lovely private sector folk who, we were assured when the whole lot was sold off, would be able to access other funding streams for investment in new sewers and water treatment plants and improved supplies? Where did they go?

It was refreshing to hear Feargal Sharkey on PM last week saying pretty much what I say about where the ******* money has gone: i.e. not into improved services but off into bonuses and divvies.

But nothing can be done...
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Maybe not about the sewerage. But certainly to Coffey. Would she like a closer encounter with same?
 
Carrot Flower King said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-of-throwing-in-the-towel-over-sewage-scandal

So, according to Therese Coffey no-one can do anything about the state of the UK water industry...

Someone remind me what has happened to those lovely private sector folk who, we were assured when the whole lot was sold off, would be able to access other funding streams for investment in new sewers and water treatment plants and improved supplies? Where did they go?

It was refreshing to hear Feargal Sharkey on PM last week saying pretty much what I say about where the ******* money has gone: i.e. not into improved services but off into bonuses and divvies.

But nothing can be done...
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Meanwhile fining the companies does nothing directly.

The directors need to be liable either for civil torts under their watch or criminal actions by the company that they're supposed to be in charge of
 
jimbob said:
Meanwhile fining the companies does nothing directly.

The directors need to be liable either for civil torts under their watch or criminal actions by the company that they're supposed to be in charge of
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And a regulator with some fangs who can insist on works being done and targets met BEFORE any bonuses or divvies are paid, along with a sensible review and appraisal process (I mean, hands up all those who had annual appraisals which could result in demands for improved performance and the like and lead to disciplinary action for failure?).
 
jimbob said:
Absolutely.

As calculated as Johnson's loveable bumbling toff whose good for a laugh.

Il Channeling Walter Softie and Lord Snooty makes him a figure of fun, which hides his radical right-wing authoritarianism
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Perhaps Suella Braverman should reinvent herself as Beryl the Peril and then she'll start getting a fan club like 'Moggy', for the infantile minded.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/05/rishi-sunak-facing-calls-suspend-whip-scott-benton

And how exactly is this not corruption?

Benton has offered to make confidential policy documents available to someone for actual money. In addition to the usual selling access and asking parliamentary questions.

It might be a good thing if, as I regularly point out, the same standards which most of the rest of the public sector have to abide by are applied to Parliament. That might come as a great shock to many of them.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
It might be a good thing if, as I regularly point out, the same standards which most of the rest of the public sector have to abide by are applied to Parliament. That might come as a great shock to many of them.
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Yes, it might:
Applicability of legislation to Parliament

208. In 1934, in a case brought by the author and (later) Independent Member of Parliament for Oxford University A P Herbert, Lord Chief Justice Hewart ruled that the court would not hear a complaint that alcohol was being sold in the precincts of the Palace of Westminster without the necessary licences, on the grounds that the matter fell within the exclusive cognisance of Parliament. That decision was never challenged in a higher court, and ever since, the Green Paper notes, there has been uncertainty as to "the extent to which statute law applies to either House of Parliament".
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https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt201314/jtselect/jtprivi/30/3010.htm
 
Carrot Flower King said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-of-throwing-in-the-towel-over-sewage-scandal

So, according to Therese Coffey no-one can do anything about the state of the UK water industry...

Someone remind me what has happened to those lovely private sector folk who, we were assured when the whole lot was sold off, would be able to access other funding streams for investment in new sewers and water treatment plants and improved supplies? Where did they go?

It was refreshing to hear Feargal Sharkey on PM last week saying pretty much what I say about where the ******* money has gone: i.e. not into improved services but off into bonuses and divvies.

But nothing can be done...
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Some Times I think the British are too damn law abiding for their own good.
 
Local (next town to me) Tory candidate in the upcoming local elections has the whip withdrawn when it appears he might be espousing racist views (he apparently stood for the BNP in 2007, you'd think they might have spotted that earlier).
The Bracknell Conservative Association (BCA) is aware of recent social media comment concerning local Town Council election candidate Mr. Andrew McBride.

Having followed its internal process, the Association has today suspended Mr McBride’s membership pending a full investigation.

We are now aware that it is too late to formally withdraw a candidate, however we can confirm that if elected Mr McBride would be denied the Conservative whip.

To ensure that lessons are learnt for the future we have voluntarily asked the Regional Team to review the selections process relating to candidates standing for election in Bracknell.
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https://bracknell.laboursites.org/2023/04/08/bracknell-forest-far-right-candidate/

McBride is the former deputy leader of Britain First and was also South East Regional Organiser for the British National Party. He has a long history of involvement at the highest levels of far-right British politics and stood as a BNP candidate in the Bracknell Forest Council election on 3rd May 2007.
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zooterkin said:
Local (next town to me) Tory candidate in the upcoming local elections has the whip withdrawn when it appears he might be espousing racist views (he apparently stood for the BNP in 2007, you'd think they might have spotted that earlier).


https://bracknell.laboursites.org/2023/04/08/bracknell-forest-far-right-candidate/
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Curious. It took me less than thirty seconds to find material (e.g. here and here) showing his neo-nazi past. Also local hacks should have known.
So either the tories are lazy, incompetent or didn't care until it became embarrassing.
 
catsmate said:
Curious. It took me less than thirty seconds to find material (e.g. here and here) showing his neo-nazi past. Also local hacks should have known.
So either the tories are lazy, incompetent or didn't care until it became embarrassing.
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Or, of course, all three at once. Interesting how in the first link he "only joined on a whim and quit as soon as he found out what they stood for" and in the second he's their regional organizer.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-of-throwing-in-the-towel-over-sewage-scandal

So, according to Therese Coffey no-one can do anything about the state of the UK water industry...

Someone remind me what has happened to those lovely private sector folk who, we were assured when the whole lot was sold off, would be able to access other funding streams for investment in new sewers and water treatment plants and improved supplies? Where did they go?

It was refreshing to hear Feargal Sharkey on PM last week saying pretty much what I say about where the ******* money has gone: i.e. not into improved services but off into bonuses and divvies.

But nothing can be done...
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I was brought up as a Tory and for a while swallowed the whole 'public sector bad, private sector good' angle. It was the selling off of national infrastructure utilities like water, gas, telecoms (as opposed to manufacturing stuff like British Leyland) followed by those involved in the selling getting seats on the board of the new private institutions,* that finally woke me up.

*Strictly not allowed in the public sector (if you are involved in the letting of a contract, you cannot accept a job of any sort with the winner of the contract for something like 10 years) so ridiculous that MPs can do it.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
I was brought up as a Tory and for a while swallowed the whole 'public sector bad, private sector good' angle. It was the selling off of national infrastructure utilities like water, gas, telecoms (as opposed to manufacturing stuff like British Leyland) followed by those involved in the selling getting seats on the board of the new private institutions,* that finally woke me up.

*Strictly not allowed in the public sector (if you are involved in the letting of a contract, you cannot accept a job of any sort with the winner of the contract for something like 10 years) so ridiculous that MPs can do it.
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I woke up to that, when I saw Norman Tebbit as a choice on one of the votes for an AGM of some shares I had.

If the private sector runs a utility, then they have to be incredibly efficient, as they have the additional cost of dividends to shareholders, that a publicly run utility does not have. Then the directors in the private sector tend to be much better paid.

The railways in particular have proved privately run is not necessarily better.

I hope more people wake up to privatisation as actually a way to make a few Tory voters very rich, especially as the NHS is under threat.
 
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Or, of course, all three at once. Interesting how in the first link he "only joined on a whim and quit as soon as he found out what they stood for" and in the second he's their regional organizer.
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And a commentator to the media.
 
Darat said:
Who hasn't found themselves the regional director and media spokesperson for a far-right group? Happens to me all the time.
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"and blinded by the white pillowcase that had fallen over my head I tripped and the wooden crucifix, which as I explained I was carrying due to my fear of vampires, accidentally went into the fireplace & caught fire. In my blind panic I ran outside with it and tripped a second time which is when I accidentally stuck the now burning cross in my accuser's lawn. As you can see it was just a perfectly innocent accident and definitely not a hate crime"
 
...and as for my weird doll collection hanging from the rafters...that's just to commemorate the lynchings in Mississisippi... I mean lunching, lunching (sorry, did I say lynching) South Mimms Service Station being twinned with Southern Mississippi.

<rant mode on> My kid came home from school singing 'Baa-baa black sheep'. What about white sheep? White Sheep Matter...<rant mode on and on and on>
 
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P.J. Denyer said:
"and blinded by the white pillowcase that had fallen over my head I tripped and the wooden crucifix, which as I explained I was carrying due to my fear of vampires, accidentally went into the fireplace & caught fire. In my blind panic I ran outside with it and tripped a second time which is when I accidentally stuck the now burning cross in my accuser's lawn. As you can see it was just a perfectly innocent accident and definitely not a hate crime"
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:thumbsup:
 
I see the right-wing UKian press are have tantrums over Biden's visit to Ireland. The Imperial Delusion is still strong over there.
 
Another Conservative councilor expelled:

Rape tweet Conservative Shaun Slator expelled from party

A councillor who said it was "more likely" a rape victim was a prostitute whose "punter... didn't pay" has been expelled from the Conservative Party.
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of course he claims this was a mistake, which is ridiculous. This isn't getting someone's name wrong or tripping over your words this was clearly a comment with full awareness of its meaning and potential impact.
 
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