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Cont: General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber

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Garrison said:
Oh look after all the hoop jumping the DUP still aren't satisfied:

Brexit: DUP will vote against Windsor Framework plans


The ongoing concerns clearly being they might have to work with a woman/Sinn Fein First Minister.
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I think it's slightly simpler than that, after all the previous leader of the DUP was a woman. I think the DUP position is just that the only legitimate Stormont Assembly is one with a DUP First Minister, if they don't get that, they won't play.
 
UK government borrowing is at record levels to support energy company profits.

Energy support schemes for households pushed government borrowing in February to its highest level for the month since records began in 1993.

Borrowing, the difference between spending and tax income, was £16.7bn, last month, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65013583

A significant part of this is the "broken" UK energy market which ensures that consumers pay the highest price for both gas and electricity. Instead of tackling this, the government has taken the decision to allow our children (or more accurately your children because Mr Don and I don't have kids) and grandchildren to pay many times the energy companies' profits. :mad:
 
Boris Johnson is claiming that although he misled MPs, he didn't do so deliberately or knowingly. :rolleyes:

Typically for such a slapdash individual with no respect for anyone else:

The Privileges Committee says Boris Johnson's final written evidence did not arrive until 08:02 GMT this morning because the original contained "a number of errors and typos".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-...199e00ff51f554d28c1eda&pinned_post_type=share

It also looks like he faces an uphill battle to be exonerated:

More pointedly it says: "Johnson's written submission contains no new documentary evidence."
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or at least I hope so. :o
 
Johnson's busy throwing others under the bus. Here's his excuse for claiming the December 18th gathering wasn't a party:
I asked Jack Doyle [his communications director] about the event, which he confirmed he had attended. He explained to me that the media team held a regular Friday evening team meeting, where they would discuss what had occurred during the week, and have a drink. As this was the last Friday of the year, there was also cheese and a Secret Santa. He reminded me that this had been a “nightmare” evening, as the country was about to go back into lockdown at a time when I was desperate to protect Christmas. He informed me that to call it a party was a great exaggeration. I asked him: “Was it within the rules?”. He told me: “It was within the rules”.
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As the Guardian points out, any other PM might have pressed the issue a bit more robustly, rather than letting it slide at the first time of asking.
 
It's the usual Eton debating society pseudo-sophistry, claiming there is "no smoking gun" and not a single document which absolutely indicates that he had been told that these illegal gatherings werre illegal, with a side order of arguing from incredulity, blaming everyone else and capped off with the big boys did it and ran away and then the dog ate the big boys.

And, of course, being BlowJob, he couldn't get a proper version in on time and had to put a corrected one in later: he's been running this schtick since prep (I originally typo'd that as "perp") school and no-one has properly challenged him on it.

FFS man, you are not 8 years old anymore! ******* well grow up, will you?

It definitely does not reflect well on the Tory party nor chunks of the electorate that they keep voting for this sort of incredibly obvious BS.
 
Garrison said:
Oh look after all the hoop jumping the DUP still aren't satisfied:

Brexit: DUP will vote against Windsor Framework plans


The ongoing concerns clearly being they might have to work with a woman/Sinn Fein First Minister.
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Likewise the far-right brexiteers of ERG (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) have announced they will be voting against it as well. It's all a bit pointless though, as Labour have announced they will be voting for it, ensuring it will pass.
 
KDLarsen said:
Likewise the far-right brexiteers of ERG (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) have announced they will be voting against it as well. It's all a bit pointless though, as Labour have announced they will be voting for it, ensuring it will pass.
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It highlights Sunak's weakness, and means that the once and future leader (not Truss though she valiantly kept the flame alive), who won the Red Wall might be able to come back in disgrace triumph to lead the Tory party to a record breaking* electoral result.




*I think that bit is possibly true.
 
jimbob said:
It highlights Sunak's weakness, and means that the once and future leader (not Truss though she valiantly kept the flame alive), who won the Red Wall might be able to come back in disgrace triumph to lead the Tory party to a record breaking* electoral result.

*I think that bit is possibly true.
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I'd say it also illustrates how he doesn't understand his own party - they don't want a "solution" they just want to whinge and blame everyone else.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
I think it's slightly simpler than that, after all the previous leader of the DUP was a woman. I think the DUP position is just that the only legitimate Stormont Assembly is one with a DUP First Minister, if they don't get that, they won't play.
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The DUPs position is that the only legitimate parliamnt in Stormont is the one that existed from 1920 to 1972, the one that decided catholics weren't really people.
 
Johnson's defence seems to amount to the equivalent of driving down an urban street at 60mph and claiming he didn't know he was breaking the speed limit because no one pointed out all the 30 signs to him.
 
Garrison said:
Johnson's defence seems to amount to the equivalent of driving down an urban street at 60mph and claiming he didn't know he was breaking the speed limit because no one pointed out all the 30 signs to him.
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And he had the previous day put up the 30 signs!
 
Garrison said:
Johnson's defence seems to amount to the equivalent of driving down an urban street at 60mph and claiming he didn't know he was breaking the speed limit because no one pointed out all the 30 signs to him.
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I think the reality is that no-one ever pointed out to Johnson that the speed limits apply to him too. Or if they did, he didn't believe them.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I think the reality is that no-one ever pointed out to Johnson that the speed limits apply to him too. Or if they did, he didn't believe them.
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Lothian said:
Which given they were on the side of the road he naturally assumed they applied to pedestrians and not to drivers like him. Also isn't the round road sign a guideline as opposed to triangles which are the law?
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IIRC triangles are warnings, circles are instructions & square/rectangles are information. (If anyone's that interested I'll check with my wife, she's a driving instructor). Either way, speed limits aren't guidelines, they're legally enforced as are other circular signs like no entry.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
IIRC triangles are warnings, circles are instructions & square/rectangles are information. (If anyone's that interested I'll check with my wife, she's a driving instructor). Either way, speed limits aren't guidelines, they're legally enforced as are other circular signs like no entry.
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You've been Lothian'ed
 
Well, well, well, it would appear that a number of officials, civil servants and SPADS (see Graun live coverage for example) are declining to lie down under that bus: the likes of Case confirm that they did not tell BlowJob that rules were being followed and that they know of no-one who did and that there were conversations with BlowJob which clearly show they all knew what they were up to.

BlowJob is going to need some industrial quantities of piglet grease to get out of this one.
 
Even AI is not falling for it:

I read that Boris Johnson's defence of "partygate" is very weak and he blames everyone but himself, what do you think?

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I think Boris Johnson's defense of "partygate" is very weak and he blames everyone but himself. He has claimed that he was not aware of the rules that were being broken, but this is not credible given the evidence that has been presented. He has also blamed his staff for the parties, but this is not acceptable as he is the Prime Minister and ultimately responsible for what happens in his office.

I think Johnson should take responsibility for his actions and apologize to the British people. He should also resign as Prime Minister, as he has lost the trust of the people.
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Somebody on Twitter has provided a useful Bingo card for the Privileges Committee hearing.


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Looks like the ERG is all played out. Given that the Windsor Framework passed 515 to 29, and 8 of those 29 will be DUPpers, that leaves only (at most) 21 torykip votes against.

I wonder will Rish! have the stomach to remove the whip from the nay sayers?
 
The selective memory is...well, pretty much what I would expect.

Can't remember this, cannot recall that, no memory of the other, but I've just heard him say "Well, this is exactly what I said..." referring to some obscure statement from a couple of years ago.
 
And he still doesn't understand that the sort of behaviour we all know actually took place at Downing Street would have resulted in automatic diciplinary action anywhere else in the public sector and this is partly why folk are annoyed at him.

And then we've had an impression of Captain Barbossa - "they're not so much rules, more guidelines".

I'm waiting for him to go full Humpty Dumpty.
 
I'm also puzzled by the claims the committee was partisan, given it consists of four Tories, two Labour, and one SNP. Unless Johnson thinks the Tories are biased against him?
 
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