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[Merged] Gay Marriage Bans falling like dominos?

Alferd_Packer

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Oklahoma is now the latest to have its ban on SSM overturned by the court

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rules-oklahoma-marriage-ban-unconstitutional/

Equal protection is at the very heart of our legal system and central to our consent to be governed. It is not a scarce commodity to be meted out begrudgingly or in short portions. Therefore, the majority view in Oklahoma must give way to individual constitutional rights. The Bishop couple has been in a loving, committed relationships for many years. They own property together, wish to retire together, wish to make medical decisions for one another, and wish to be recognized as a married couple with all its attendant rights and responsibilities. Part A of the Oklahoma Constitutional Amendment excludes the Bishop couple, and all otherwise eligible same-sex couples, from this privilege without a legally sufficient justification.
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bruto said:
It is good news. The principle, of course, is the same everywhere, and the more it is expounded, the harder it is to ignore.
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Well, Scalia thoughtfully laid out the reasoning for the recent rash of rulings in his Windsor dissent...

Thanks, Tony!
 
Falling like dominoes, in places like Utah and Oklahoma.

I like the sound of that. :)
 
^It has to be "places like Utah and Oklahoma" since those are the places trying the hardest to hang on to the imaginary past and ban(ish) the gay away.
 
Like most people I heard this from George Takei on Facebook, stood up, and did a little dance.

Honestly, most people do this.
 
Upchurch said:
Ignoring the spin, this is precisely what judges are supposed to do, when necessary.

And this is necessary.
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No. It's only necessary if people in Oklahoma vote to steal/tax a job-creator's income. Courts exist in order to protect individuals from the tyranny of the many.
 
Cain said:
Liberal activist judges over-ruling the wisdom of Oklahoma's voting public.
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Upchurch said:
Ignoring the spin, this is precisely what judges are supposed to do, when necessary.

And this is necessary.
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Cain said:
No. It's only necessary if people in Oklahoma vote to steal/tax a job-creator's income. Courts exist in order to protect individuals from the tyranny of the many.
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That's what I said. In this case, the courts protected individuals from the tyranny of the many.

(And I have no idea where you got the idea that courts only exist to protect job-creator's income from taxation. That's just bizarre.)


eta: Are you Poe'ing me?
 
Rah rah rah for equality, etc, and all that.....

...but really? Monogamy and living in Oklahoma? My pity is matched only by my horror at the prospect.

(I'm allowed to mock, my dad's side of the family is from Oklahoma. My grandparents moved to Texas. Because it was more civilized.)
 
Cain said:
No. It's only necessary if people in Oklahoma vote to steal/tax a job-creator's income. Courts exist in order to protect individuals from the tyranny of the many.
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You mean, like the tyranny of the many presuming to deny basic civil rights to the few? You mean, like the tyranny of the many presuming to dictate private behaviour among consenting adults, behaviour which can, in no way, affect the ones denying basic human rights to the few? You mean, the tyranny of the many presuming that their superstitions can and should deny the basic civil rights of the few?

That tyranny?

Then I agree.
 
Cain said:
No. It's only necessary if people in Oklahoma vote to steal/tax a job-creator's income. Courts exist in order to protect individuals from the tyranny of the many.
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I was not aware that courts are limited to tax issues, or that someone's judgment of "job creation" is the gauge by which it's decided whether anyone can steal from me. I seem to recall hearing that they are also in a position to determine whether laws contradict the Constitution.

A number of courts have recently concluded that withholding marital benefits from gay couples is a tyranny of the many over the few insofar as it denies them and their families equal protection without a commensurate or justifying benefit.

Of course all judges are activists when they make a ruling you don't like.
 
Cain said:
Liberal activist judges over-ruling the wisdom of Oklahoma's voting public.
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Just like in that evil loving v Virginia and Brown vs Board of Ed.

The voters should have made the decisions not some unelected activist judge, I am sure you agree.
 
Cain said:
Courts exist in order to protect individuals from the tyranny of the many.
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Exactly! Now you get it.
TragicMonkey said:
Rah rah rah for equality, etc, and all that.....

...but really? Monogamy and living in Oklahoma? My pity is matched only by my horror at the prospect.

(I'm allowed to mock, my dad's side of the family is from Oklahoma. My grandparents moved to Texas. Because it was more civilized.)
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I'm reminded of the Will Rogers phenomenon.

Tsukasa Buddha said:
I expect it to be as noncontroversial in, say, forty years as abortion.
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:D Though maybe interracial marriage.


That said, I wouldn't be impressed by a domino toppling event that featured fifty one dominoes.
 
I predict that, within the next 5-10 years, all 50 states will allow same sex marriage, in most cases after a successful lawsuit is brought by same sex couples living in each state that will ultimately be upheld by SCOTUS. Within 10 years after the last state falls (I predict that will be either Texas or Arizona), the majority of the population will be wondering what all the fuss was about to begin with.

Where do I enter the MDC? :D
 
Sabrina said:
I predict that, within the next 5-10 years, all 50 states will allow same sex marriage, in most cases after a successful lawsuit is brought by same sex couples living in each state that will ultimately be upheld by SCOTUS. Within 10 years after the last state falls (I predict that will be either Texas or Arizona), the majority of the population will be wondering what all the fuss was about to begin with.

Where do I enter the MDC? :D
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I already picked Texas and Arizona in the pool.:D

Now that OK has seen the light, TX has even more reason to resist...
 
And the harder they resist the more likely they are to create measures that will be struck down in court.
 
Hopefully the folks in Indianapolis will see this and think, maybe we should wait a bit before pushing through OUR new constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

Then again, that would require that legislators actually learn from those rulings that have been made.
 
This is horrible, horrible news. My children spent a good part of their youth in Oklahoma, all attended HS there, the oldest two graduated from OkSt, and the youngest is still in college there.

For years I was able to say, in complete honesty, that as backwards as they might consider North Carolina (my home), at least it wasn't Oklahoma. No more. I lose.
 
pgwenthold said:
Hopefully the folks in Indianapolis will see this and think, maybe we should wait a bit before pushing through OUR new constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

Then again, that would require that legislators actually learn from those rulings that have been made.
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It's a political ploy. They know how things are going but don't want to upset the voting base so they create a law that the courts shoot down and then it's the courts' fault not theirs. Gay people get to marry, professional politicians get their votes.
 
Equal Rights marriage and divorce for all. Like straights, the divorce lawyers will be making a bundle when the honeymoons are over. The bone Docs thought that they would be losing money when the skate board boom was over, then G-d created online roller skate as marriage produces divorce.
 
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ABC10 said:
Equal Rights marriage and divorce for all. Like straights, the divorce lawyers will be making a bundle when the honeymoons are over. The bone Docs thought that they would be losing money when the skate board boom was over, then G-d created online roller skate as marriage produces divorce.
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I somehow doubt many people have been injured by online skates...
 
sarge said:
This is horrible, horrible news. My children spent a good part of their youth in Oklahoma, all attended HS there, the oldest two graduated from OkSt, and the youngest is still in college there.

For years I was able to say, in complete honesty, that as backwards as they might consider North Carolina (my home), at least it wasn't Oklahoma. No more. I lose.
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Only two things come from Oklahoma. Steers and married people.
 
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