Garth Brookes

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I have been unable to post links for a long time, but you may have seen that the singer, Ol' Garth is facing serious charges and has been arrested. No bail. Solitude confinement. No visitors.

There are mounds of evidence showing him to be a violent rapist and abuser, beating those he raped.

I just wonder if he went 'crazy' . . .
 
Brooks.

It's unfortunate that you can't link to the "mounds of evidence"

Have you tried posting partial links? Usually all you have to do is omit the "http://" or "https://" at the beginning, and you're good to go.
 
Brooks.

It's unfortunate that you can't link to the "mounds of evidence"

Have you tried posting partial links? Usually all you have to do is omit the "http://" or "https://" at the beginning, and you're good to go.

Thanks, I will work on it. There are handwritings that he forced the abused to write extorting power over them with threats of dismissal or defaming. The women say they wrote them under threat of more rape and abuse.

His face was beaten and bloody, as one woman really fought back and hit him with a brick. No, he said, one of the women beat him because he would not have sex with her.

I will look it up, but I recall there were videos.
 
abc.net.au alleges that Brooks released a statement. They quote from the statement, but they don't link to the statement.

This inability to link to primary sources seems to be turning into a global pandemic.

Your idea that news outlets should link to primary sources to satisfy you is rather sweet.

Perhaps you might want to reflect on how realistic your standards are.
 

As much as I despise agreeing with theprestige, none of the articles claim what wasapi claimed. Specifically:

Ol' Garth is facing serious charges and has been arrested. No bail. Solitude confinement. No visitors

I don't see he's facing any charges at all, let alone arrested, etc. No mention of "mounds of evidence". If a thread is started it's generally common courtesy to post a source along with a description.

This sounds more like he said, she said until something is made available.
 
Your idea that news outlets should link to primary sources to satisfy you is rather sweet.

Perhaps you might want to reflect on how realistic your standards are.

I don't realistically expect news outlets to link to primary sources. But then, I don't realistically expect news outlets to have standards, or accountability, or anything else that might incline me to trust them.

It's obvious that some people are content to simply internalize whatever the nearest media tendril puts in their brain, without reflection or inquiry. And then metastasize the meme.
 
Normally I would expect a site such as ABC or AP to link to original sources.

This story comes from a LA lawsuit, however, and linking to original court filings rarely works, you have to do a site search.
 
Your idea that news outlets should link to primary sources to satisfy you is rather sweet.

Perhaps you might want to reflect on how realistic your standards are.

I think his standards are very realistic in the sense that it's entirely possible for new media to link to primary sources for their claims or to explain why those sources aren't available in cases where they can't do so.

I further think that this would be a good norm for us to have. Don't implicitly trust claims that aren't properly sourced. I even think that we should have this norm with scientific research: if the researchers don't make their data publicly available, don't trust their claims about their research. The amount of fraudulent science happening is evidence for the importance of norms like this.

Is it reasonable to expect that news media will actually live up to these standards? To the extent that people don't hold them to those standards, no, I don't expect that they are going to live up to them. But in that case I also don't see why I should implicitly trust their claims.

This doesn't mean distrusting their claims. An unsourced claim doesn't make me more likely to think the thing is false than if the claim wasn't made.

As far as the OP, I certainly think that it's plausible that everything she said is true. But asking for people to supply evidence of their claims, even claims I see as entirely plausible, isn't harassment. It should be the basic culture on a skeptic's board. I'd actually prefer if it were the basic culture more widely, but at least we could try to model that here.
 
I think his standards are very realistic in the sense that it's entirely possible for new media to link to primary sources for their claims or to explain why those sources aren't available in cases where they can't do so.

I further think that this would be a good norm for us to have. Don't implicitly trust claims that aren't properly sourced. I even think that we should have this norm with scientific research: if the researchers don't make their data publicly available, don't trust their claims about their research. The amount of fraudulent science happening is evidence for the importance of norms like this.

Is it reasonable to expect that news media will actually live up to these standards? To the extent that people don't hold them to those standards, no, I don't expect that they are going to live up to them. But in that case I also don't see why I should implicitly trust their claims.

This doesn't mean distrusting their claims. An unsourced claim doesn't make me more likely to think the thing is false than if the claim wasn't made.

As far as the OP, I certainly think that it's plausible that everything she said is true. But asking for people to supply evidence of their claims, even claims I see as entirely plausible, isn't harassment. It should be the basic culture on a skeptic's board. I'd actually prefer if it were the basic culture more widely, but at least we could try to model that here.

More nonsense. As ON said in the post immediately above there are very sound legal reasons for not disclosing fine details of criminal allegations.

To expect to get enough details to be really certain is something for judge and jury, not journalists, let alone readers. It seems journalists just can’t win. Julian Assange was damned by many people for releasing too much information.
 
I have been unable to post links for a long time, but you may have seen that the singer, Ol' Garth is facing serious charges and has been arrested. No bail. Solitude confinement. No visitors.

There are mounds of evidence showing him to be a violent rapist and abuser, beating those he raped.

I just wonder if he went 'crazy' . . .
Brooks has not been arrested.
The case is a civil one, so far.
 

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