So apparently TACO Tyrant Trump wants to phase out FEMA after this hurricane season. Won't his base be most affected by this? Texas, Florida, the coast of the Gulf of Mexico, etc? What's the end game and will the cost savings be reflected on my next tax bill?
FEMA? We hardly knew ya.
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So apparently TACO Tyrant Trump wants to phase out FEMA after this hurricane season. Won't his base be most affected by this? Texas, Florida, the coast of the Gulf of Mexico, etc? What's the end game and will the cost savings be reflected on my next tax bill?
No his base won't be affected, they may even do better. Rather than a federal body allocating funds where they are needed on an objective basis, he will personally allocate funds based on whims. More money for red states, no money for blue states and woe betide the governor or congressman who fails to kiss the ring (piece) - no soup for you.
It's a return to the days of grift and patronage - or the Gilded Age as Trump and his cronies see it.
It's a return to the days of grift and patronage - or the Gilded Age as Trump and his cronies see it.
Its pretty silly to say that FEMA allocates funds on an objective basis. The process starts with a State asking from money then the President declaring that there is in fact a disaster. Unless you are going to convince me that Trump would do that objectively on account of FEMA existing......
Does FEMA have to exist for any of that to happen? When was FEMA created? How was it created? If its by law then he can't get rid of it by executive order. How was it handled before FEMA?
Now, granted, I have no expectation that Trump is doing this for anything other than spite or self-dealing, still, getting rid of FEMA. May or may not be a thing of significance. Like getting rid of USAID, the State department still has to spend that money. Sometimes they have discretion sometimes Congress has said what to spend it on. In the case of USAID, its existence was ratified by congress, so in that case, the president can't even legally get rid of it. Haven't heard about any lawsuits regarding that though. Standing would be difficult to establish which is pretty stupid but there it is.
Could also be because of this:
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Does FEMA have to exist for any of that to happen? When was FEMA created? How was it created? If its by law then he can't get rid of it by executive order. How was it handled before FEMA?
Now, granted, I have no expectation that Trump is doing this for anything other than spite or self-dealing, still, getting rid of FEMA. May or may not be a thing of significance. Like getting rid of USAID, the State department still has to spend that money. Sometimes they have discretion sometimes Congress has said what to spend it on. In the case of USAID, its existence was ratified by congress, so in that case, the president can't even legally get rid of it. Haven't heard about any lawsuits regarding that though. Standing would be difficult to establish which is pretty stupid but there it is.
Could also be because of this:
FEMA Official Told Workers to Skip Homes With Pro-Trump Signs After Hurricane Milton
Relief workers were reportedly surveying hurricane damage in Florida.
www.snopes.com
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plague311
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I wonder how many Trump businesses are going to declare emergency* now that Trump is going to try and handle the purse strings?
"Oh, the Mar-A-Lago has had an emergency. They are now entitled to $4 billion!"
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Donal
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He couldn't be bothered to send FEMA to Arkansas for a month after they got trampled by tornadoes. And Sarah Huckabee Sanders was one of his main ass kissers since day 1.
They're doing it objectively because they're not expecting a quid pro quo or demanding obedience for the money to be released.Its pretty silly to say that FEMA allocates funds on an objective basis. The process starts with a State asking from money then the President declaring that there is in fact a disaster. Unless you are going to convince me that Trump would do that objectively on account of FEMA existing......
Does FEMA have to exist for any of that to happen? When was FEMA created? How was it created? If its by law then he can't get rid of it by executive order. How was it handled before FEMA?
Now, granted, I have no expectation that Trump is doing this for anything other than spite or self-dealing, still, getting rid of FEMA. May or may not be a thing of significance. Like getting rid of USAID, the State department still has to spend that money. Sometimes they have discretion sometimes Congress has said what to spend it on. In the case of USAID, its existence was ratified by congress, so in that case, the president can't even legally get rid of it. Haven't heard about any lawsuits regarding that though. Standing would be difficult to establish which is pretty stupid but there it is.
Could also be because of this:
FEMA Official Told Workers to Skip Homes With Pro-Trump Signs After Hurricane Milton
Relief workers were reportedly surveying hurricane damage in Florida.
I'm confident that Trump will allow his decisions to be based on how loyal he feels the recipient(s) are to him personally and the level of personal gratitude which will be forthcoming.
The money may still have to be spent, but it could simply be redirected to Trump or his cronies' pet projects. Money meant for hurricane or fire disaster relief being given to Trump or cronies' companies to build immigrant holding camps - the real disaster threatening the US.
Maybe the governor once said something unflattering about him (or insufficiently flattering) or maybe with FEMA there was no opportunity for Trump to take a cut.
Norman Alexander
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Huck Sanders is a woman. They don't count in the Trump handmaid's universe.
JayUtah
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As you point out, the President has personal control over whether FEMA aid is rendered to a requesting state. However, FEMA's disaster response and mitigation is only initially focused on what we might consider heroic efforts such as rescue, housing, and medical aid. FEMA is mostly about compensating individual victims who have a valid claim. Immigration status is not part of the questioning, so aliens are eligible to receive financial aid. If Pres. Trump dismantles the FEMA infrastructure, he can replace it with a different funding scheme that means he can deny aliens any sort of public relief.
Badly. Federal emergency response and recovery operations were scattered across half a dozen agencies across several departments. This led to a lot of waste, red tape, and confusion.
That would be on-brand for Trump.Could also be because of this:
FEMA Official Told Workers to Skip Homes With Pro-Trump Signs After Hurricane Milton
Relief workers were reportedly surveying hurricane damage in Florida.
angrysoba
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At this point I would make a joke about who will then run the death camps, but right now, that is not looking remotely funny any more.
Gulliver Foyle
Philosopher
FEMA are already refusing funds to states that are solidly his, as per his orders. My guess is that TACO sees this manouvre as a way to solicit even more bribes, and also a way to siphon federal funds to his pockets (even before becoming predisent, he was making eight figure claims for Mar-a-Lardo if hurricanes landed anywhere in Florida).
Norman Alexander
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I would appreciate evidence of this. It would make good fuel for the fire.
Gulliver Foyle
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Donald Trump took $17M insurance payment after a 2005 hurricane that left little evidence of damage
Just over two weeks after the storm, Trump hosted 370 guests at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida. Photos showed the buildings and property seemingly in good repair
nationalpost.com
While it wasn't FEMA money, same principle applies.