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Merged Euthanasia

That's tragic. The relevant authorities should have _________ instead.

I must admit, though, I'm having a bit of difficulty figuring out how to fill in that blank.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Given hopelessness and emotional pain is not terminal, it was the wrong decision.
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This.

It appears to be a failure on the part of the mental health professionals.


Jesus, how do you roll up to work and euthanize a non terminal 17 year old?
 
Many people do kill themselves even if they have access to the best healthcare.

From the article:

"..Last year, she revealed that been admitted to hospital in a critical condition after her anorexia had left her organs on the brink of failure.

Doctors placed her into a medically-induced coma to feed her through tubes..."

Sounds like she was going to kill herself no matter what, beyond putting her under 24 hour supervision I struggle to think what could have saved her.
 
Giz said:
This.

It appears to be a failure on the part of the mental health professionals.
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Surely only the same way all health care professionals often fail? Some diseases can not be cured.


Giz said:
Jesus, how do you roll up to work and euthanize a non terminal 17 year old?
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Probably with great reluctance, pain, guilt and pity.
 
"it was the wrong decision" -- by whom and how do you know?

so someone just should have told her: suffer some more years and you will feel better and forget everything?

and it's not as if teenage suicides is something uncommon so why this upsets some here so much.
 
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Obviously, I don't know the full story, but its hard to imagine there wasn't a better and more moral choice that killing a 17 year old.

With what I know, I feel comfortable saying this was the wrong choice and for those that support right to die laws, this will set back that movement which is unfortunate.
 
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ahhell said:
Obviously, I don't know the full story, but its hard to imagine there wasn't a better and more moral choice that killing a 17 year old.
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As I said above - people even with access to the best healthcare in the world kill themselves. It would seem she was very ill for a long time. Sadly some diseases are beyond our healthcare system ability to help.

Euthanasia when you get down to the root is someone deciding their own life should end. All euthanasia does is try to ensure that someone is not committing suicide on the spur of the moment and tries to make the suicide as painless as possible.


ahhell said:
With what I know, I feel comfortable saying this was the wrong choice and for those that support right to die laws, this will set back that movement which is unfortunate.
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:confused: This was legal and lawful euthanasia.
 
Cainkane1 said:
This should not have happened. Psychotherapy could have helped her recover.
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I agree in a sense that this should not have happened, but medicine simply cannot "cure" or even treat and control all diseases, hopefully medicine will continue to improve and disease such as she suffered from can be treated better even if not cured.

In this case it sounds like she has had a lot of medical treatment over the years, and it is sadly obvious that such healthcare couldn't help her.
 
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kayle said:
"it was the wrong decision" -- by whom and how do you know?
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By me and it's because I know depression is treatable and people who survive suicide attempts almost always are glad they did later on.

Make that ~90%, see below.


I do think the images of a healthy smiling girl are misleading. I doubt she looked physically OK.
 
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Where Are They Now?: The Fate of Suicide Attempt Survivors
Of the 515 people whose attempt was interrupted, only 35 later died by suicide in the years to come. Taking into account suicides that might have been missed by researchers, Dr. Seiden stated that 90% of people who tried to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge did not go on to die by suicide.
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Jumping off the Golden Gate suggests these were serious suicidal attempts.

Living After a Suicide Attempt: Other Research Findings
This research, though 35 years old, still holds true. Even though a prior suicide attempt dramatically increases the risk for future suicide, studies have demonstrated that most people who survive a suicide attempt do not go on to die by suicide:

In a study out of Finland of 224 people who attempted suicide and were treated at a health care facility, 8% died by suicide within 12 years.
Researchers in Sweden followed 34,219 people who were hospitalized following an act of intentional self-harm. During 3 to 9 years of follow-up, 3.5% died by suicide.
One study followed 100 people who had survived a suicide attempt by overdose. At the end of the 37-year follow up, 13% had died by suicide. (This study’s mortality rate is higher than others, almost certainly because of the long follow-up period and the serious nature of the attempt, which warranted admission to a hospital.)
Overall, a recent review of 177 research studies around the world found that 4% of people who survived intentionally hurting or poisoning themselves went on to die by suicide within 10 years.
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This is what the research shows. I'm not judging by my morals or gut reaction.
 
Reading another couple of articles on it, it seems more a case of badly written law.

Or at least law written in a way that is a little free and easy with who can qualify.

Coincidentally we currently have a euthanasia bill going through parliament, which may or may not get voted through (It is a MP conscious vote)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
By me and it's because I know depression is treatable and people who survive suicide attempts almost always are glad they did later on.
Make that ~90%, see below.


I do think the images of a healthy smiling girl are misleading. I doubt she looked physically OK.
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RE: the highlighted, why does mental health have a focus on people who have attempted suicide before then?
 
It is wrong, wrong, wrong. The Netherlands own laws state that a person taking that decision have to be free from mental illness.

This young woman was clearly mentally unbalanced. Anorexics do not make well-judged decisions. She had her life ahead of her. Maybe a husband and children.
 
cullennz said:
Reading another couple of articles on it, it seems more a case of badly written law.

Or at least law written in a way that is a little free and easy with who can qualify.

Coincidentally we currently have a euthanasia bill going through parliament, which may or may not get voted through (It is a MP conscious vote)
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'Minimum age for euthanasia is twelve'.

What?!
 
Darat said:
The mention of treatment in the original article, the UHC system in the Netherlands and the requirements for euthanasia not to be a crime.
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Governments can’t make bad law and bureaucracies never provide poor treatment ?

Seems you are too quick to say it is obvious.
 
kayle said:
so someone just should have told her: suffer some more years and you will feel better and forget everything?
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"Bad things happen to everyone, you should stop clinging to victimhood and just get over it already." - unsolicited advice many victims of childhood sexual abuse have to listen to regularly for the rest of their lives.
 
Vixen said:
It is wrong, wrong, wrong. The Netherlands own laws state that a person taking that decision have to be free from mental illness.

This young woman was clearly mentally unbalanced. Anorexics do not make well-judged decisions. She had her life ahead of her. Maybe a husband and children.
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sorry, in my society you don't tell me or anybody else that i have a life with (maybe) a husband/wife and a child ahead.

really, why are so many upset about this, i don't get it. because 17? 19'd be ok?
 
Checkmite said:
"Bad things happen to everyone, you should stop clinging to victimhood and just get over it already." - unsolicited advice many victims of childhood sexual abuse have to listen to regularly for the rest of their lives.
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ironically, often from people whose major pain has been the loss of their beloved dog/cat :D
 
Checkmite said:
kayle said:
so someone just should have told her: suffer some more years and you will feel better and forget everything?
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"Bad things happen to everyone, you should stop clinging to victimhood and just get over it already." - unsolicited advice many victims of childhood sexual abuse have to listen to regularly for the rest of their lives.
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Both of these are straw men in this thread. They might be applicable in another discussion about poor treatment of the mentally ill.
 
Darat said:
Many people do kill themselves even if they have access to the best healthcare.

From the article:

"..Last year, she revealed that been admitted to hospital in a critical condition after her anorexia had left her organs on the brink of failure.

Doctors placed her into a medically-induced coma to feed her through tubes..."

Sounds like she was going to kill herself no matter what, beyond putting her under 24 hour supervision I struggle to think what could have saved her.
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I'm unclear- was she conscious and cognizant when she asked for the black pill? Or still/again in a coma?
 
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