Split Thread Epstein murdered

It's just soooooo much more intriguing to think that his ass got whacked because he had pics of every major power player in the English speaking world in positions compromising enough to pull the strings to get him greased. Just the levels of scandal and complicity inherent to that are staggering.
 
Axxman300 said:
First off, the only real crime is I didn't get to beat Epstein to death myself, just so we're all clear about my feelings here.
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Agreed!
Axxman300 said:
The summation and link to the report on his death is here:
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I read the whole thing, a decent read.
Axxman300 said:
Yes, there are a ton of red flags.
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Basically all I am saying.
Axxman300 said:
he client list remains under wraps in spite of two Administration changes since his death. Why no focus on that? It's an actual conspiracy right there out in the open.
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For sure! too bad the scum in charge won't really stand up for some real transparency. It reeks all the way round.
 
Axxman300 said:
This is the same facility that successfully delivered El Chapo to trial, and kept him unharmed. Yes, there are a ton of red flags. But give me something other than allegations. Give me a name, someone guards, and the ADA for NY is too scared to face down. The client list remains under wraps in spite of two Administration changes since his death. Why no focus on that? It's an actual conspiracy right there out in the open.
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Absolutely this.
 
Every wealthy and influential person in the Western World, to his assistant every day: "You sure we made our share of the payoff to keep Epstein's client list in deep storage?"
 
Meh, he probably killed himself but as far as conspiracy theories go, the notion that some former client had him killed not really all that crazy. He hung with a bunch of rich powerful people, a lot of them spent time on his plane which was often called the lolita express even before his arrest, and some of them spent time on his private island, pedophile island. It would not be shocking if one of them had him killed.

As to why some folks are "obsessed". See above and remember that some folks can point to Trump and some can point to Clinton and ask, "what's up with that?" Bipartisan gristle to chew on there.
 
Thermal said:
Because he was so intimate with so many powerful people and he was a pretty open pedophile and trafficker, that the assumption is he has a ton of dirt on a ton of high profile figures who were also into his repulsive interests.

Nobody really cares about him, per se. They care about what he knew, that we might still find out.

Which is a whole 'nuther story, and hopefully unrelated.
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i’d additionally add how strange it is that there seems to be no movement at all on investigating who he was pimping children to. like, we know roughly what was going on and deserve to know who was involved and what their involvement was
 
stanfr said:
I assume you mean 'homicide' and not death, since that is 100%. ;).
Too bad not just one, but two cameras failed at an inconvenient time.
There were certainly other cameras that would have recorded anyone coming in or out of the location--those would be important too, and I
haven't heard whether those recordings have been provided to anyone.
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My bad. I really messed up that post.
 
dirtywick said:
i’d additionally add how strange it is that there seems to be no movement at all on investigating who he was pimping children to. like, we know roughly what was going on and deserve to know who was involved and what their involvement was
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I'm wondering if there's some connection between Epstein and Diddy and/or Andrew Tate.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Can anyone explain to me why certain people are so obsessed with this horrible person? Like, what compels someone to take a known child molester and endlessly obsess over whether he committed suicide or was murdered, going so far as to spam 'Epstein didn't kill himself' in all sorts of totally unrelated comment threads?

Also, I don't know what Abooga's avatar is supposed to be, but I know what my brain instinctively interprets it as every time I see it (don't know if I can go into details without breaking forum rules, but it looks like a you-know-what and a you-know-what and they're you-know-what-ing), and that just makes the posts obsessing over the fate of a known serial sex offender feel even more bizarre.
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Obsessing? I just posted a thread a while ago because I thought it was very likely there were some shenanigans that led to his death. I still do. It's unbelievable that such an important prisoner wasn't better guarded. It stinks.

And about my avatar, it's a pervert detector. If you see something different to a sunset behind a Japanese temple I have bad news for you...
 
To be fair we'd need a figure for people facing life imprisonment for crimes generally, and often violently, reviled within the inmate population. The fact that the was no "This too shall pass" for Epstein differentiates him from most of the prison population. So does the fact that everyone would know who he was and what he was in for.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I'm wondering if there's some connection between Epstein and Diddy and/or Andrew Tate.
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diddy wouldn't be shocking, they seem to have travelled the same circles. tate, imo, much less so. as offensive as his continued existence is, imo he's small potatoes
 
dirtywick said:
diddy wouldn't be shocking, they seem to have travelled the same circles. tate, imo, much less so. as offensive as his continued existence is, imo he's small potatoes
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I have to agree with this, almost posted the same thought. Although, from the sounds of it, even epstein might have thought Diddy was going to far.
 
ahhell said:
I have to agree with this, almost posted the same thought. Although, from the sounds of it, even epstein might have thought Diddy was going to far.
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well, diddy was really publicly doing esptein-y stuff in miami. epstein had already learned the lesson on why you have to do that kind of stuff overseas. probably not directly involved, but similar guest lists.

but i'm just guessing at all that. i don't have any evidence and haven't really dug into it enough to commit to any degree of certainty
 
Abooga said:
And about my avatar, it's a pervert detector. If you see something different to a sunset behind a Japanese temple I have bad news for you...
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Honestly, I've been wondering about this since it was brought up. All I can see is a sun with a little shack in front of it. The proportions and even basic shapes are so far off that I can't even see the "dirty" version. This was a meme?
 
Thermal said:
Honestly, I've been wondering about this since it was brought up. All I can see is a sun with a little shack in front of it. The proportions and even basic shapes are so far off that I can't even see the "dirty" version. This was a meme?
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the yellow part is a dick and balls and the red part are some cheeks
 
It's all about the little roof extension. Without that it's the sun behind a tower. Add the roof overhand and suddenly I'm a perv!
 
Axxman300 said:
Damn right. This is what history buffs call, "History in the making." Live in the moment, once in a while.
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Appeal to emotion, once in a while.

Let's be clear: You're emotionally invested in Trump and/or Elon being implicated in this or that heinous crime. To the point that you get excited about any and every unsupported allegation of the same.

I'm not sure serious history buffs would appreciate your nonsensical appeals to their authority.
 
theprestige said:
Appeal to emotion, once in a while.

Let's be clear: You're emotionally invested in Trump and/or Elon being implicated in this or that heinous crime. To the point that you get excited about any and every unsupported allegation of the same.

I'm not sure serious history buffs would appreciate your nonsensical appeals to their authority.
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Which crime are we talking about? Epstein's untimely death, or the human trafficking/child sex ring thing? Both of these idiots have been to Epstein's island, and Donny T was a regular at Jeffrey's townhouse parties. This is already widely known. I have no dog in this fight beyond to the rule of law, and getting the facts out into public view. As with any crime on this scale there will be nuances, and degrees of guilt by second parties, and it's possible that neither one committed an illegal act, just immoral, which is not against the law.

But this spat if F-ing hilarious.
 
theprestige said:
Appeal to emotion, once in a while.

Let's be clear: You're emotionally invested in Trump and/or Elon being implicated in this or that heinous crime. To the point that you get excited about any and every unsupported allegation of the same.

I'm not sure serious history buffs would appreciate your nonsensical appeals to their authority.
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Being a skeptic does not mean being incredulous of the blue sky. And there is nothing wrong about having some emotions when the current ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ has been brought upon us by a manipulated electorate that is largely oblivious to critical thinking. I wonder how many Trump supporters really took a good hard look at the countess videos and photos of Trump frolicking with his best friend Jeff. Given the enormous harm this megalomaniac has caused our nation, I feel perfectly justified holding out some hope that the crows come home to roost.
 
theprestige said:
Appeal to emotion, once in a while.

Let's be clear: You're emotionally invested in Trump and/or Elon being implicated in this or that heinous crime. To the point that you get excited about any and every unsupported allegation of the same.

I'm not sure serious history buffs would appreciate your nonsensical appeals to their authority.
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Keep defending him.
 
i’ll ask because you guys would know.

is there a name for a “just being a hater” fallacy? like, yeah i do want to see them go down. they’re the bad guys and have done a bunch of bad things, and the facts are still the facts regardless how anyone feels about them. to me that’s normal.
 
dirtywick said:
i’ll ask because you guys would know.

is there a name for a “just being a hater” fallacy? like, yeah i do want to see them go down. they’re the bad guys and have done a bunch of bad things, and the facts are still the facts regardless how anyone feels about them. to me that’s normal.
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It is normal! And I don't know if it has a fallacy name, but it is the most common tactic used by narcissists like Trump and his ilk--it is classic gaslighting--pretend that you are the real victim and accuse your accuser of being a bad person, by introducing 'alternative' facts that they want you to accept as reality.
 
It’s the fight that’s interesting.
Epstein probably just offed himself. Jails are staffed by underpaid people who give zero ◊◊◊◊◊ about inmates. Nothing works right, so cameras being out sounds normal, and no, the guard on duty had zero ◊◊◊◊◊ to give about staring at a screen for hours because a prisoner might try to hurt themselves.
 
dirtywick said:
i’ll ask because you guys would know.

is there a name for a “just being a hater” fallacy? like, yeah i do want to see them go down. they’re the bad guys and have done a bunch of bad things, and the facts are still the facts regardless how anyone feels about them. to me that’s normal.
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Ad hom.

stanfr said:
It is normal! And I don't know if it has a fallacy name, but it is the most common tactic used by narcissists like Trump and his ilk--it is classic gaslighting--pretend that you are the real victim and accuse your accuser of being a bad person, by introducing 'alternative' facts that they want you to accept as reality.
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And poisoning the well.

Both very popular fallacies.
 
theprestige said:
And poisoning the well.
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I aint poisoning anything that already wasn't poisoned. And I am not arguing anything, just categorizing the "hater" retort when used by Trumpists, it is classic gaslighting--we hear it all the time from people within the cult; their most common way of putting down genuine complaints about the lunatic in charge by responding "You have TDS!" when it is blatantly obvious to anyone outside of the cult that the only deranged individuals are the pedophile leader and those who worship his lunacy.
 

well it's a youtuber commentator video, but lays out clips of kash patel on rogan saying the exact opposite on epstein on what he was saying before becoming fbi director and joe rogan sucking his balls like he always does these days. and these are the conspiracy theorists, with this falling in their lap and the power to expose it, and they let their politics get in the way. what a disappointment. but they always are.
 
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