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Cont: Electric Vehicles II

I've heard of Vegemite. Have never tried it though.
[sidebar] If you have tried Marmite then you have tried Vegemite. It's just a slightly different recipe. Sort of like trying to pick between French and Italian wine - both are wine, but different terroirs. Some people get picky about such details. ;) There are plenty of other yeast extract spreads besides these two to choose from. [/sidebar]
 
[sidebar] If you have tried Marmite then you have tried Vegemite. It's just a slightly different recipe. Sort of like trying to pick between French and Italian wine - both are wine, but different terroirs. Some people get picky about such details. ;) There are plenty of other yeast extract spreads besides these two to choose from. [/sidebar]
Never seen either on US grocery shelves. Also never seen either advertised here. Maybe it is sold at some supermarkets. But I bet not many.
 
I can't get myself to buy a Tesla. But when I read the following I found it tempting.
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But that jpg subtracts the Washington State sales tax instead of adding it. So the price would actually be $28,667 not $23,550 if you qualify for both rebates in full. But an EV makes a lot of sense because I could do probably 70 to 80% of my driving with zero fuel costs. I have surplus electricity 6 months of the year. And am tempted to add 10KW of more solar.

That is a pretty tasty deal. The Model Y is too big a car for me, really. The MG4 is just my size. But I could be tempted at that price.

I can envisage the day when EVs are so cheap and so well developed that my early 2023 MG4 SE SR looks quite silly, but it's a great car for now, and it will still do everything it does now even if there are greater things around.
 
In the UK the Dacia Spring is available for £15k and the Citroen e-C3 for £23k.

eta Hyundai Inster and Fiat 500 both available for less than £25k
 
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That is a pretty tasty deal. The Model Y is too big a car for me, really. The MG4 is just my size. But I could be tempted at that price.

I can envisage the day when EVs are so cheap and so well developed that my early 2023 MG4 SE SR looks quite silly, but it's a great car for now, and it will still do everything it does now even if there are greater things around.
Me too. It's all about the battery. Or at least mostly about the battery. Four years ago a 12 volt 100AH LIFEPO4 battery was typically $600 to $800. i bought 4 on Black Friday this year for $125 ea. That's 5KW of battery storage for $500.
 
musk and tesla are probably the biggest single influences on the direction of the western ev market. perhaps even worldwide given his newfound political power
They have been for two decades. But as battery cost decrease that influence will wane.
 
I realize that most of the people posting on this thread seem to be from outside the US so this may or may not be of interest. But I found it interesting. It's a pair of pretty good YouTube channels that focus on real world EV motoring in the US and the second channel is from the same YouTubers which reviews EV automobiles

Out of Spec Motoring

Out of Spec Reviews

Unfortunately, none of the Chinese vehicles are shown since this is all in the US.
 
Even though I'm not in the USA I watch that channel quite a lot. Mainly because I became fascinated with the 12 year old Coda EV he found on a dealer's forecourt with only 50 miles on the clock, which actually woke up and drove when they found the key.
 
Even though I'm not in the USA I watch that channel quite a lot. Mainly because I became fascinated with the 12 year old Coda EV he found on a dealer's forecourt with only 50 miles on the clock, which actually woke up and drove when they found the key.
I can't believe I watched the 4 part 3 hour series about a dozen EVs racing from Starbucks HQ in Seattle to Boston on Interstate 90. I don't even own an EV. But I am considering purchasing one along with another 10Kw of Solar. It has been said, "The biggest difference between Americans and Europeans, is that Europeans think that a 100 miles is a long way, and Americans think that a 100 years is a long time." I used to commute almost 160 miles a day. Exxon made a lot of money off me. I don't any more. But I still enjoy car tripping. I make a 400 mile plus drive multiple times a year. So understanding what I'm getting myself into is important.
 
I can't believe I watched the 4 part 3 hour series about a dozen EVs racing from Starbucks HQ in Seattle to Boston on Interstate 90. I don't even own an EV. But I am considering purchasing one along with another 10Kw of Solar. It has been said, "The biggest difference between Americans and Europeans, is that Europeans think that a 100 miles is a long way, and Americans think that a 100 years is a long time." I used to commute almost 160 miles a day. Exxon made a lot of money off me. I don't any more. But I still enjoy car tripping. I make a 400 mile plus drive multiple times a year. So understanding what I'm getting myself into is important.

You're doing the right thing. Most of the so-called horror stories I see relating to EV ownership are basically people who didn't try to find out how running an EV differs from running an ICE car, and how to change their habits in order to make the transition successfully.

It doesn't have to take long. I got an email from my insurance company on 31st March 2023 saying they'd decided to write off my Golf GTi due to bodywork damage sustained in a minor accident the previous December. My immediate reaction was one of fury, and to demand my car back. However, once the Golf was back on my drive (later that afternoon, I went to fetch it) I calmed down and realised the universe was probably trying to tell me something. The car was nearly 14 with 135,000 miles on the clock, had a fair bit of bodywork damage plus MOT advisories, and it needed four new summer tyres. It wasn't worth spending any more money to keep it on the road.

I started watching YouTube videos about EVs. I had already decided my next car would be an EV because I didn't want to buy into a dying technology, and I had electricity sockets in my garage (whereas the nearest petrol station was nine miles away), and I could see an EV would be much cheaper to run, and I frankly fancied getting into this new thing. Before I went to bed I had more or less decided that unless the thing absolutely sucked on a test drive (which seemed very unlikely given the big grins on the faces of the reviewers) I was going to buy an MG4 SE SR for £26,950, which was within my notional budget for a new car. I was very lucky that the decision was a no-brainer. The car was exactly what I wanted - a Golf-sized hatchback that would go like a bat out of hell - and it was the only new EV in my price range anyway. I drove my new car home from the dealer on 13th April 2023, having spent these two weeks watching a lot more stuff on YouTube. I was enthusiastic and absolutely determined to make it work.

I joined the MG EV forum (where I'm now a moderator), read about people's experiences and asked questions. I found out about the difference between DC and AC charging, about the difference between NMC and LFP batteries, about how to manage the DC charging curve, about regenerative braking and adaptive cruise control and Android Auto. As my previous car was so old, there were a lot of things about new cars in general I didn't know about. Like software updates and how your car could and would get better even after you bought it. As a result I was quite well equipped to cope with the whole thing once I was out on the road.

My main advice would be, as well as deciding what normal features you want from a car, as you would with any new car, think deeply about not just range but charging speed. If you plan to use the car almost entirely from home, charging at home, make sure the range of the car you get is sufficient for your longest normal daily usage in the middle of winter at motorway speeds with the heating on full, and a bit of leeway to allow for a bit of degradation in the battery (maybe 10% if you're planning on keeping the thing for a number of years). The biggest tales of woe seem to come from people who believed the WLTP range advertised for their car and imagined it would do that under all conditions. That's as mad as believing you'll always get the WLTP mpg they quote for a petrol car. (I was looking at a car with a WLTP range of 218 miles, and asked the dealer if it would do 100 miles in sub-zero temperatures at 75 mph with the heating on full. He said yes, and he was right. But that's the sort of thing you have to consider.)

An AC charging speed better than 7 kw (you can get 11 kw and 22 kw I think) can be handy but mostly 7 kw will let you charge a car up overnight, so it's not a huge dealbreaker. DC charging speed is what counts when you're on a road trip, but that can be a two-edged sword. Speeds of 150 kw and above (and some will do double that) are great if you're in a tearing hurry, but they don't give you much time for a decent break and if you want to eat you may well find yourself having to go out and move the car from the charger to an ordinary parking space. My car only does 88 kw, which is fairly pathetic these days, but I was sold on the idea of an LFP battery (not by the dealer!), and I reasoned that if I was on a road trip then I wouldn't be in a big hurry either. Mostly this has worked out, with 45 minutes being a decent time for a proper break. However once when I was caught in traffic and lost a bunch of time I then couldn't make up by skipping the coffee and driving off after a 20-minute break, it did have its disadvantages.

Range anxiety is a bogey-man term made up by Toyota to get you to keep buying ICE (in the form of hybrids, but still ICE). Range awareness is something to cultivate, but it should not be a cause for anxiety. Many modern cars have satnavs linked to the car's software and which will simply take you to the charger the software thinks is best for your journey. Also there are apps like ABRP that will do it for you. The best thing I have learned is to watch the range indicator on my car and the distance to the charger I'm heading for showing on Google maps. If I don't like the way these two numbers match up, I take 5 mph off my speed. This is usually enough to sort it all out. Turning off the heating is for the birds, and doesn't work anyway. Only once, driving south into heavy rain and a headwind in temperatures colder than I had anticipated, I did have to revise my decision about which charger to go for - but that was easy because I had my eye on what the range was doing, and I knew where the closer chargers were. But mainly, you can hypermile the hell out of an EV, more so than with an ICE, so as long as you're half-way sensible, you should never need to worry.

If you get the right car for your requirements and learn how to charge it most efficiently, you'll be totally fine. There are many models available now that really will do 300 miles on a charge in real-world conditions, and nobody should be driving further than that without a break anyway. If you're keen to get on, be sure your car can charge at 150 kw or over. I'm really not sure about cars that charge so fast you just sit in them for five minutes and you're done though. Find out about how your type of battery should be managed (including routine charging %, balancing the pack, and doing a <10% to 100% and balance AC charge every few months to make sure the range calibration is accurate). It's a fun learning curve if you approach it in that spirit, rather than expecting to run an EV just the same as you run an ICE, you'll love it.
 
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Well said. I like your concept of "range awareness". We adjusted to our 2022 Tesla Model 3 Long Range very quickly. From E TN, we've traveled south as far as Key West, and north as far as Ottawa, racking up 70,000 miles in just under 3 years. In that time we've never had to wait for a Supercharger stall, and only once had a stall that was painfully slow. Only one repair, to the rear window defroster, covered under warranty.

Just watched a video on the refreshed Model Y. Tempting, but I think barring unforeseen circumstances we'll stick with our Model 3 for at least the next year, if not several years, as we monitor what's new from Tesla and other EV manufacturers.

"It's a fun learning curve if you approach it in that spirit, rather than expecting to run an EV just the same as you run an ICE, you'll love it." I could not agree more.
 
I once had a Tesla stall that was painfully slow. Accidentally throwing my bag of chips from McDonald's on the floor of the car when I made a move to change stalls seemed to speed it up, but it was still poor. I have since seen a video made by a Tesla driver about which stall to go to on these V2 units to minimise the chance of a slow charge.

I've had my moments with various non-Tesla chargers, but I'm sheltered by the fact that I'm retired and if something goes wrong I just shrug and go somewhere else, or have another cup of coffee. The infrastructure is getting better all the time, and given that I home charge over 90% of the time the occasional glitch while out on a road trip is a small price to pay for that level of convenience and cost-saving. Plus all the other great features including a week spent camping in the car in the Highlands, cosy with the HVAC running all night and boiling my kettle from the VtL.

I've bought an e-bike that's light enough for me to lift into the back of the car, and of course it will charge from the VtL - the car will hardly notice 250 watt-hours! Being able to drive to where I want to cycle, sleep in the car then set off with a full bike battery in the morning, rinse and repeat with the ability to charge the bike while I'm having dinner or listening to the stereo in the evening is a real game-changer.

Actually, would you just listen to me? When I bought the car I said I realised it wasn't the car for long motorway trips and I might even hire a petrol car if I wanted to drive down to the south of England. Now you couldn't pay me to get back into a petrol car, and I've been to Brighton four times. I just casually drove a 350-mile round trip in a day to test-ride the e-bike then did it all again six weeks later to pick the bike up, when I could just have asked them to deliver it to my home in a box. Occasionally I wonder if I should have got the longer range model after all, but I'm pretty happy with what I have.
 
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I once had a Tesla stall that was painfully slow. Accidentally throwing my bag of chips from McDonald's on the floor of the car when I made a move to change stalls seemed to speed it up, but it was still poor. I have since seen a video made by a Tesla driver about which stall to go to on these V2 units to minimise the chance of a slow charge.
I've had my moments with various non-Tesla chargers, but I'm sheltered by the fact that I'm retired and if something goes wrong I just shrug and go somewhere else, or have another cup of coffee. The infrastructure is getting better all the time, and given that I home charge over 90% of the time the occasional glitch while out on a road trip is a small price to pay for that level of convenience and cost-saving. Plus all the other great features including a week spent camping in the car in the Highlands, cosy with the HVAC running all night and boiling my kettle from the VtL.

I've bought an e-bike that's light enough for me to lift into the back of the car, and of course it will charge from the VtL - the car will hardly notice 250 watt-hours! Being able to drive to where I want to cycle, sleep in the car then set off with a full bike battery in the morning, rinse and repeat with the ability to charge the bike while I'm having dinner or listening to the stereo in the evening is a real game-changer.
Funny you mention this as this was sort of the theme of the race. The participants in the race would switch charging stalls if one was under performing. Sometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldn't. There is a network of both Tesla supercharger stations and EV America superchargers across the US along Interstate 99 as well as a few other companies scattered along the route. They would be V2 and V3 chargers that charge up to 350KW per hour. But only the Porsche could actually charge at a 300+ charging rate. It won the race. But I can't spare $130,000 for a car. The new Tesla Model 3 came in second and the Hyundai Ioniq was third. Both of which were the cheapest models.

I live entirely off grid, using solar combined with a gas generator in the winter. Solar doesn't provide enough power about 2 months of the year. But the rest of the year it us more than enough. If I add another 10KW of panels I shouldn't have to ever pay to charge the car except when traveling and using a Supercharger on the road.

What I really didn't like about what I discovered during the race was that a lot of the Superchargers weren't necessarily close to amenities. I imagine being able to charge a car while dining or shopping. That was often not really an option. Also, I was surprised at the Supercharging rates. Often much more expensive than gas for driving the same distance. I saw charging rates from 30 cents to 70 cents per KW. I don't know how that compares to where you are. Everything I use for a formula shows me that is a lot more than I pay for gas to drive an equivalent distance.

So it seems to me that I'll save a lot charging at home and paying a lot more to charge on the road. Is that your experience there?
 
The new V4 units seem pretty reliable, and even the V3 ones have always performed for me. That site at Perth is the only one I've come across where there wasn't something pretty close by and I had to get a drive-through McDonald's before going to the charger. Many of them are beside nice hotels where you can get a good coffee or a snack.

Nothing is changing at x kw per hour, by the way. That makes no sense.

Here, Tesla chargers are about the cheapest there are, and even cheaper if you buy a subscription (or drive a Tesla). But even the more expensive ones which are a complete rip-off only work out about the same as petrol. I think you guys have abnormally low petrol prices.

If that Porsche was a Taycan it must have had the extra feature to allow it to charge normally at Tesla chargers fitted from new. Apparently if that isn't specified the best you will get out of a Tesla charger is 50 kw, and it can't be fitted later!
 
The new V4 units seem pretty reliable, and even the V3 ones have always performed for me. That site at Perth is the only one I've come across where there wasn't something pretty close by and I had to get a drive-through McDonald's before going to the charger. Many of them are beside nice hotels where you can get a good coffee or a snack.

Nothing is changing at x kw per hour, by the way. That makes no sense.

Here, Tesla chargers are about the cheapest there are, and even cheaper if you buy a subscription (or drive a Tesla). But even the more expensive ones which are a complete rip-off only work out about the same as petrol. I think you guys have abnormally low petrol prices.

If that Porsche was a Taycan it must have had the extra feature to allow it to charge normally at Tesla chargers fitted from new. Apparently if that isn't specified the best you will get out of a Tesla charger is 50 kw, and it can't be fitted later!
It was a Taycan but I don't think it used a Tesla charger. I don't think any of the non-Tesla vehicles used a Tesla charger. They almost always used an EV-America charger.

There are no V4 chargers in the US. Tesla just announced the V4 chargers to be rolled out in 2025 . In the US, the Tesla V3 chargers are limited to 250KW. However, the EV America chargers have a top end of 350KW.

As for charging prices, I think it makes a lot of sense. It's a profit center. They will charge what the market will bear. There isn't a lot of competition. I couldn't tell you what Tesla was charging because I don't remember any display screens on their chargers. Whereas the EV-America chargers had a display screen. Prices in Washington State were mostly in the 35 cents per. But East of that, in Montana, Wyoming , South Dakota etc it was almost double that.
 
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Well, since my car's top charging speed is 88 kw, I'm not that fussy!
Make sense. I'm exploring my options. I'm making the move entirely on cost/price and utility. I'm not looking for fancy. The technology is changing all the time and new vehicles are constantly offering new features. Some are irrelevant to me and I'm not interested in buying something with marginal value. I don't want to get locked into older technologies that might limit the value of such an expensive purchase. For example some vehicles might be able to charge at 22KW AC at home. But that is only available if you have 3 phase power. Which for the moment, is too costly for me to to go to at the moment. But I expect more reasonably priced 3 phase inverters to become available in time. My problem as always is that I have a champagne appetite and a beer budget. So who knows? But it will be a cool project if I do.
 
Due to the distance between house and garage/workshop and our unwillingness to dig up our newly landscaped garden to lay a new, higher capacity power cable, our maximum charge speed is 4kw/h instead of the 7kw/h our charger is capable of.

We are also cheap so are only willing to charge our car on cheap overnight rates which run from 0030 to 0430.

Despite this, we very rarely have to charge the car outside these hours because one night's charge delivers 60-70 miles of range and that's plenty for our typical use.
 
Due to the distance between house and garage/workshop and our unwillingness to dig up our newly landscaped garden to lay a new, higher capacity power cable, our maximum charge speed is 4kw/h instead of the 7kw/h our charger is capable of.

We are also cheap so are only willing to charge our car on cheap overnight rates which run from 0030 to 0430.

Despite this, we very rarely have to charge the car outside these hours because one night's charge delivers 60-70 miles of range and that's plenty for our typical use.
It's all about what works for you. The cost of the cars themselves is what holds me back.
 
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I just saw a video extolling the virtues of getting a fast-charging car to "future-proof" your EV. There is probably quite a lot to be said for this, but at some point you move from stopping long enough for a coffee and a break, to it not being worth your while leaving the car. Depends on your circumstances.

I don't know what the market is like in the USA, but here there are a lot of really tempting low-mileage used EVs available at good prices. Might be worth decding what your champagne appetite fancies then looking to see if any deals are available.

Before I got my car several people said to me, wait, because of all the new improvements coming in EV capability. Finally I asked what I was waiting for, and was told nothing in particular, it's just a whole lot of incremental improvements. So when my Golf was written off I decided just to get what was available that week, that fitted my requirements and that I could afford. Hello Caliban, the MG4 SE SR. I was saved a lot of vacillating because at that time the car was a stand-out winner, and it's still winning comparison tests two years later. Lucky me. Not available in the USA.

No matter when you jump there's a good chance the grass will be greener in a year, but think of the year's fun you've had from the car!
 
I just saw a video extolling the virtues of getting a fast-charging car to "future-proof" your EV. There is probably quite a lot to be said for this, but at some point you move from stopping long enough for a coffee and a break, to it not being worth your while leaving the car. Depends on your circumstances.

I don't know what the market is like in the USA, but here there are a lot of really tempting low-mileage used EVs available at good prices. Might be worth decding what your champagne appetite fancies then looking to see if any deals are available.

Before I got my car several people said to me, wait, because of all the new improvements coming in EV capability. Finally I asked what I was waiting for, and was told nothing in particular, it's just a whole lot of incremental improvements. So when my Golf was written off I decided just to get what was available that week, that fitted my requirements and that I could afford. Hello Caliban, the MG4 SE SR. I was saved a lot of vacillating because at that time the car was a stand-out winner, and it's still winning comparison tests two years later. Lucky me. Not available in the USA.

No matter when you jump there's a good chance the grass will be greener in a year, but think of the year's fun you've had from the car!
Exactly! My thought is that EV prices are going to come down more in the next two years. But I could be wrong. I worked in the computer market and next year's product was always going to be cheaper. So you have to jump in at some point. The problem with buying a used EV is the prices don't seem to make them that much cheaper than a new car with the government incentives. And none of the Chinese vehicles are selling in the US. Not the MG, BYD, NIO, Xpeng, Zeek, Wuling, Geely, Eve Energy Co Ltd, Leapmotor, LeSEE, Levdeo, Li Auto, Lichi, Lifan or Luxgen.

Rumors are that some are coming. But right now I'm leaning towards the Tesla Model 3. But I despise Musk so much, I have trouble sending my money his way.
 
Exactly! My thought is that EV prices are going to come down more in the next two years. But I could be wrong. I worked in the computer market and next year's product was always going to be cheaper. So you have to jump in at some point. The problem with buying a used EV is the prices don't seem to make them that much cheaper than a new car with the government incentives. And none of the Chinese vehicles are selling in the US. Not the MG, BYD, NIO, Xpeng, Zeek, Wuling, Geely, Eve Energy Co Ltd, Leapmotor, LeSEE, Levdeo, Li Auto, Lichi, Lifan or Luxgen.

Rumors are that some are coming. But right now I'm leaning towards the Tesla Model 3. But I despise Musk so much, I have trouble sending my money his way.

A big factor in whether EV prices will fall is the level of tariff imposed on Chinese or Indian manufactured EVs (and how high local safety and manufacturing standards are). Of course there are now a lot of used EVs on the market. I've only ever bought one brand new car (Mrs Don has bought three) and unless there are exceptional circumstances, I wouldn't do so again due to the costs and hassle involved. I'd rather someone else took the hit for the initial depreciation and debugging any small build issues.

There are plenty of used Tesla 3s here in the UK with less than 40,000 miles and under 3 years old for less than £20,000. At that price I'd consider getting one to replace my Skoda Oktavia when the time comes. The added bonus is that buying used doesn't send money (directly) to Musk.
 
My issue with the Model 3 is that I need a hatchback. But if you don't, it looks like a good choice.
 
A big factor in whether EV prices will fall is the level of tariff imposed on Chinese or Indian manufactured EVs (and how high local safety and manufacturing standards are). Of course there are now a lot of used EVs on the market. I've only ever bought one brand new car (Mrs Don has bought three) and unless there are exceptional circumstances, I wouldn't do so again due to the costs and hassle involved. I'd rather someone else took the hit for the initial depreciation and debugging any small build issues.

There are plenty of used Tesla 3s here in the UK with less than 40,000 miles and under 3 years old for less than £20,000. At that price I'd consider getting one to replace my Skoda Oktavia when the time comes. The added bonus is that buying used doesn't send money (directly) to Musk.
Yes tarriffs will greatly affect prices. But more important is supply and demand or more important the perception of supply and demand. Car sales are down. Companies will have to lower prices in one way or another. Cost of batteries keep dropping.which is the most expensive component in an EV. Plus, I haven't built new solar ground mounts and an out building for the electronics.
 
My issue with the Model 3 is that I need a hatchback. But if you don't, it looks like a good choice.
I'd actually prefer a van. But they seem to be much less efficient, much more expensive and have less range.
 
The same is true for ICE powered vans when compared to other ICE vehicles.
Very true. But I'm reading about 100 to 150 mile ranges for the vans as opposed to say 250 to 350 mile ranges for the average EV. Plus, the prices on the vans are substantially more. Everything is a trade off. What I want is an EV van like a Sprinter or a Transit. I really like the VW Buzz, but the price on all three is too much in my book.
 
I bought mine (plug-in hybrid that is 95% used as a pure EV) when it was one year old, ex lease.

I strongly recommend this method for getting into the market.

The car was 40% cheaper than the new model, and was pristine, barring two tiny dings on the bodywork. (stone impacts would be my guess)
 
Norway on track to be first to go all-electric

Norway is the world leader when it comes to the take up of electric cars, which last year accounted for nine out of 10 new vehicles sold in the country. Can other nations learn from it?

 
I suspect the lesson from Norway is that early adoption was easier if you were wealthy and didn't generally drive long distances.
 
I suspect the lesson from Norway is that early adoption was easier if you were wealthy and didn't generally drive long distances.
I don't know how much of an advantage it was, but they possibly had some infrastructure in place as it's common for car parks to have electric outlets where you plug your (ICE) car in to warm up the engine in cold weather.
 
I don't know how much of an advantage it was, but they possibly had some infrastructure in place as it's common for car parks to have electric outlets where you plug your (ICE) car in to warm up the engine in cold weather.
I lived in Wisconsin for a few years. Brutal winter. 10 to 20 degrees below zero Fahrenheit were not uncommon. More than a few parking lots had outlets that allowed employees and customers to plug your engine block heater into so your engine didn’t freeze.
 
I suspect the lesson from Norway is that early adoption was easier if you were wealthy and didn't generally drive long distances.
Define 'long distances'.

About Travelling in Norway
The mainland of Norway covers approximately 385,000 Km2 (150,000 square miles) and the population is 5.3 million. The distance from north to south is 1,100 miles (1,750 km), but the rugged coastline measures more than twice the distance around the equator.
Bjørn Nyland has subjected a large number of EV models to his '1,000km challenge', where he drives at night in temperatures as low as -36°C. Tesla Model 3 performance did it in 10 hours 9 minutes. This was 5 years ago.


Comment: "I drove from outside Oslo to Hamburg (1000km) in a diesel Skoda Octavia and it took me 11 hours, so this is interesting."
 
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