Cont: Electric universe theories here (2)

[Ziggurat]

So you are answering the question, ziggurat?

Depends on the question. I’m not expending effort to try to explain science to you. That’s a lost cause, I’ve wasted enough of my life on that fruitless endeavor.

 

[Sol88]

Same question as before. No change.

 

[Sol88]

The linear morphology of these filaments makes it unlikely that most owe their origins to such shocks. Hence, we propose that magnetized sheets or ropes are a more likely cause of this morphology.

Magnetic ropes?

This is an ELECTRIC CURRENT.

For some reason this was hard for you answer. I guess becuase you would have to use the words - ELECTRIC - CURRENT - PLASMA - FIELDS

or you could rearange into

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS

.

Any PLASMA? Tick

any ELECTRIC FIELDS? Tick

any ELECTRIC CURRENTS? Tick

You don't really have a leg to stand on to be able to "explain science" to anyone sport!


You cant even get the basics right. GAS is not "kinda" like a PLASMA.

 

[steenkh]

Support?

Yes, support. You bring an article that in no way supports your fantasies, but you present it as if it does somehow.

This is the very subject ziggurat refuses to answer.

You present the article. Why should anybody else explain the support, if you can’t do it yourself?

Ziggurat has explained this stuff to you many times over the years, but you just ignore it, and carry on as if it never happened. Take the plasma/thing thanks so simple that even I can get it, and after all those explanations, you haven’t shown any sign of understanding, even if you disagree.

 

[steenkh]

You cant even get the basics right. GAS is not "kinda" like a PLASMA.

This is a splendid example of your apparent dementia: we have been over this so many times, but you act as if it never happened.

 

[Sol88]

Well, it kinda is!

To the mainstream...

Meantime we are talking the sticking point for you and ziggurat...

the nonthermal, synchrotron process...leading to filamentary magnetic ropes sdl with the associated strong magnetic fields and sheets.

What nonthermal proceess could this be?

 

[steenkh]

Well, it kinda is!

According to you, but nobody else thinks so.

the nonthermal, synchrotron process...leading to filamentary magnetic ropes sdl with the associated strong magnetic fields and sheets.

What nonthermal proceess could this be?

I have no idea, but I know it is driven by gravity. Do you have another mechanism to drive these non-thermal processes? I thought not!

 

[tusenfem]

the nonthermal, synchrotron process...leading to filamentary magnetic ropes sdl with the associated strong magnetic fields and sheets.

I strongly doubt that the synchrotron process leads to filamentation of the magnetic field.
But I would be happy if you could explain it to us.

 

[Ziggurat]

Same question as before. No change.

You've asked lots of questions, I have no idea which one you're asking now. I imagine that whatever it was, my response will probably be the same as well. Not that it matters, you never pay attention to anyone's answer. You just throw up random links to research that mentions plasma, and then spew your Tourette's tick of "PLASMA DOUBLE LAYER BIRKELAND CURRENT" as if it means anything more than it would if you had said "TACO HEPATITIS CHLORINE OPERA".

 

[Sol88]

I strongly doubt that the synchrotron process leads to filamentation of the magnetic field.
But I would be happy if you could explain it to us.

Not magnetic fields, 'ol mate but these "magnetic ropes" the researchers speak of. The same ones that reckon

“The motion of gas swirling in the extreme tidal forces of the Milky Way’s supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*, can stretch and amplify the surrounding magnetic fields. Those fields, in turn, are shaping the plasma in Sagittarius C,” said Bally.

NASA Webb Explores Effect of Strong Magnetic Fields on Star Formation ​

What does cause filamentation in a PLASMA? Swirling GAS in extreme tidal environments causing magnetic ropes???

Mmmmm...... What casuses these strong magnetic fields?

“This is an exciting area for future research, as the influence of strong magnetic fields, in the center of our galaxy or other galaxies, on stellar ecology has not been fully considered,” said Crowe.

Maybe time to consider?

We argue that the plasma flow in Sgr C is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments or sheets.

John Bally et al are arguing the electric universe...

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENT.

 

[Ziggurat]

John Bally et al are arguing the electric universe...

No, they aren't. "Magnetically dominated" does not mean what you think it means.

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENT.

What was it I said? Oh, yes:

You just throw up random links to research that mentions plasma, and then spew your Tourette's tick of "PLASMA DOUBLE LAYER BIRKELAND CURRENT" as if it means anything more than it would if you had said "TACO HEPATITIS CHLORINE OPERA".

Right on cue.

 

[Sol88]

We argue that the plasma flow in Sgr C is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments or sheets.

What was it I said? Oh, yes:

Yeah nah. It's not what you said, it's what you will not say!

The answer to the question you refuse to answer. You are arguing against not just me. John Bally reckons the plasma flow is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments. I reckon their on the money!

Citation John Bally et al 2025 ApJ 983 20DOI 10.3847/1538-4357/ad9d0b

 

[Ziggurat]

John Bally reckons the plasma flow is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments.

Yeah, in one specific region. That doesn't say anything about stars being powered by electricity or any of the other Electric Universe bull ◊◊◊◊ that you come up with.

 

[Sol88]

Though, to be fair to John Bally, I think the PLASMA flow is standard PLASMA physics of an ELECTRIC CURRENT thru a PLASMA.

BIRKELAND CURRENTS


The Physics of Field-Aligned Currents

 

[Sol88]

Yeah, in one specific region. That doesn't say anything about stars being powered by electricity or any of the other Electric Universe bull ◊◊◊◊ that you come up with.

Yeah in this one specific region... like all the other regions...

Will you answer or is that the best I'm going to get?

Did I say that they said it did?

Focus here on the science of an ELECTRIC CURRENT thru a PLASMA.

magnetic fields confine the plasma to ropelike filaments

What is accelerating this PLASMA?

 

[Ziggurat]

Yeah in this one specific region... like all the other regions...

It's not like all the other regions. Bally et al certainly don't claim it's like all the other regions. They provide no reason to think it's like all the other regions.

Will you answer or is that the best I'm going to get?

Answer what? I still don't know what question you're trying to ask.

Did I say that they said it did?

You said "John Bally et al are arguing the electric universe". A universe which has plasma and some electromagnetic effects isn't sufficient to make an "electric universe". So yeah, you absolutely did say that they said that.

 

[Sol88]

Yeah, in one specific region. That doesn't say anything about stars being powered by electricity or any of the other Electric Universe bull ◊◊◊◊ that you come up with.

Ha ha ha you'd be wrong again.

We argue that the plasma flow in Sgr C is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments or sheets.

Bally et al

Who are they arguing against?

Even you, ziggurat concede the ELECTRIC CURRENT driving these ropelike filaments.

In just this one region of course...

 

[Ziggurat]

Ha ha ha you'd be wrong again.

Nothing you quoted contradicts anything I said.

 

[Sol88]

In this region...
https://phys.org/news/2025-06-astronomers-linking-galaxy-clusters.html

'The models were right': Astronomers find 'missing' matter linking four galaxy clusters​

Astronomers have discovered a huge filament of hot gas bridging four galaxy clusters. At 10 times as massive as our galaxy, the thread could contain some of the universe's 'missing' matter, addressing a decades-long mystery.

Huge filament of hot GAS... but what would a press release know.

Detection of pure warm-hot intergalactic medium emission from a 7.2 Mpc long filament in the Shapley supercluster using X-ray spectroscopy​

Abstract


A significant fraction of the local Universe baryonic content still remains undetected. Cosmological simulations indicate that most of the missing baryons reside in cosmic filaments in the form of warm-hot intergalactic medium (WHIM).

WHIM?? warm-hot intergalactic medium?

Over one-third of the 'normal' matter in the local universe—the visible stuff making up stars, planets, galaxies, life—is missing. It hasn't yet been seen, but it's needed to make our models of the cosmos work properly.


Said models suggest that this elusive matter might exist in long strings of gas, or filaments, bridging the densest pockets of space. While we've spotted filaments before, it's tricky to make out their properties; they're typically faint, making it difficult to isolate their light from that of any galaxies, black holes, and other objects lying nearby.

The expected thermodynamic properties of cosmic filaments have been studied using cosmological, hydrodynamical, large-scale structure simulations. Martizzi et al. (2019) used the TNG100 Illustris simulations (Springel et al. 2018) to define WHIM as gas with ne≲10−4 cm−3 and T≲1 keV (their Fig. 4), with hotter gas labeled as hot medium and denser gas labeled as warm circumgalactic medium.

GAS??

The remaining ≈30−40% of the expected baryons are still unaccounted for (e.g., Shull et al. 2012). This is known as the missing-baryon problem (e.g., Cen & Ostriker 1999; Nicastro et al. 2003, 2018).

The expected thermodynamic properties of cosmic filaments have been studied using cosmological, hydrodynamical, large-scale structure simulations. Martizzi et al. (2019) used the TNG100 Illustris simulations (Springel et al. 2018) to define WHIM as gas with ne≲10−4 cm−3 and T≲1 keV (their Fig. 4), with hotter gas labeled as hot medium and denser gas labeled as warm circumgalactic medium.

Oh,,, another problem? The missing-baryon problem:




Now, hold your horses... the WHIM is, a drum roll please, PLASMA.

Where are these ELECTRIC CURRENTS thru PLASMA (WHIM) causing filamention in their cosmic filaments have been studied using cosmological, hydrodynamical, large-scale structure simulations.

Those pesky ELECTRONS!

 

[MostlyHarmless]

I just have to say that the tenacity you guys show in this argument is amazing. I would have given up long ago. Kudos!!

Not you SOL88, everybody else!

 

[Sol88]

Nothing you quoted contradicts anything I said.

Good, so Bally et al's argument for electric currents as the cause of the strong magnetic fields confining the plasma into ropelike filiaments and current sheets does not contradict anything you say, then you would tend to agree the following...

Our detailed methodology for effectively removing contamination from AGN emission allowed us to trace the WHIM emission that purely originates from the pristine filament we studied, while previous studies might have been more affected by residual emission from halos and point sources. This may have caused them to overestimate the density of the filamentary gas. Finally, we showed that when only Suzaku data are used (which do not resolve all other sources throughout the filament), the gas properties are significantly affected. This biases the final results. Consequently, high-quality deep X-ray data and a detailed modeling of all types of X-ray emission in the studied sky area are crucial for a robust characterization of the WHIM.

Are the ropelike filiaments in this region the same as the ropelike filiaments in this region?

 

[Sol88]

I just have to say that the tenacity you guys show in this argument is amazing. I would have given up long ago. Kudos!!

Not you SOL88, everybody else!

ELECTROMAGNETISM vs GRAVITY


PLASMA vs GAS

A duel of intelligence...

 

[Sol88]

We've solved the missing baryonic matter problem, so lets get to the good stuff and stop mucking around with GAS vs PLASMA confusion mainstream have.

That touretts tick is...

PLASMA...tick
BIRKELAND CURRENTS...Tick
The good stuff... DOUBLE LAYERS...

Specific regions only of course. Not powering stars or anything just the data as presented here.

We argue that the plasma flow in Sgr C is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments or sheets.

 

[steenkh]

ELECTROMAGNETISM vs GRAVITY


PLASMA vs GAS

A duel of intelligence...

Well, you quote one study after another that does not support your EU nonsense, you have nothing that can drive your electromagnetic forces (but conventional science does), and after several years you still don’t understand that plasma is gas but gas is not plasma. It sounds more like a duel between science and ignorance.

 

[Sol88]

Well, you quote one study after another that does not support your EU nonsense, you have nothing that can drive your electromagnetic forces (but conventional science does), and after several years you still don’t understand that plasma is gas but gas is not plasma. It sounds more like a duel between science and ignorance.

I understand steenkh, gas is not plasma.

Do you think K. Migkas should know?

Abstract


A significant fraction of the local Universe baryonic content still remains undetected. Cosmological simulations indicate that most of the missing baryons reside in cosmic filaments in the form of warm-hot intergalactic medium (WHIM).

 

[steenkh]

I understand steenkh, gas is not plasma.

And yet time and again you get it wrong. How long will this new-found understanding last?

Do you think K. Migkas should know?

Everybody should know. Why do you quote an abstract where neither gas nor plasma is mentioned?

Have you found a a non-gravitational mechanism to power your electromagnetic forces yet?

 

[Sol88]

And yet time and again you get it wrong. How long will this new-found understanding last?

Everybody should know. Why do you quote an abstract where neither gas nor plasma is mentioned?

Have you found a a non-gravitational mechanism to power your electromagnetic forces yet?

Yes. Charge Separation in PLASMA.

It also sheds light on the very nature of the 'cosmic web', the vast, invisible cobweb of filaments that underpins the structure of everything we see around us.

 

[Sol88]

Note steenk: gas is not plasma

For GAS you need dark matter for PLASMA, in this region, we need the same mechanism that ziggurat reckons happens in a small very specific region.

Yeah, in one specific region. That doesn't say anything about stars being powered by electricity or any of the other Electric Universe bull ◊◊◊◊ that you come up with.particular area.

All of a sudden he's powering stars!

but in this specific region it is an ELECTRIC CURRENT causing the strong magnetic fields and filamentation of the PLASMA.

The answer to the question you refuse to answer. You are arguing against not just me. John Bally reckons the plasma flow is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments. I reckon their on the money!

Not truly missing​

As well as revealing a huge and previously unseen thread of matter running through the nearby cosmos, the finding shows how some of the densest and most extreme structures in the universe—galaxy clusters—are connected over colossal distances.


It also sheds light on the very nature of the 'cosmic web', the vast, invisible cobweb of filaments that underpins the structure of everything we see around us.

Filamentation in this region of PLASMA is different than the region of plasma flow, that is controlled by magnetic fields, which confine the plasma to ropelike filaments, as per Bally et al?

You have nothing that can drive your electromagnetic forces (but conventional science does),

And the math to prove. If you simply divide by infinity you get charge separation in the PLASMA?

Or are you doing something with GAS, again? Friction? Shocks?



Sure, in GAS!

 

[steenkh]

Yes. Charge Separation in PLASMA.

And how is this charge separation created and maintained?

Note steenk: gas is not plasma

For GAS you need dark matter for PLASMA, in this region, we need the same mechanism that ziggurat reckons happens in a small very specific region.

And this small region cannot be created without gravity.

All of a sudden he's powering stars!

but in this specific region it is an ELECTRIC CURRENT causing the strong magnetic fields and filamentation of the PLASMA.

And how is this ELECTRIC CURRENT created? If your answer is simply “charge separation”, you are not digging deep enough!

And the math to prove. If you simply divide by infinity you get charge separation in the PLASMA?

No. Why on earth do you think that? Just because we don’t know everything about black holes, doesn’t mean we know nothing about them. If you try to deny the existence of black holes, you have a lot of observations that need explaining.

 

[Sol88]

And this small region cannot be created without gravity.

And how is this ELECTRIC CURRENT created? If your answer is simply “charge separation”, you are not digging deep enough!

Lets focus on this ELECTRIC CURRENT in PLASMA.

“The motion of gas swirling in the extreme tidal forces of the Milky Way’s supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*, can stretch and amplify the surrounding magnetic fields. Those fields, in turn, are shaping the plasma in Sagittarius C,” said Bally.

You say motion of gas swirling via gravity stretches and amplifies magnetic fields causing the filamentation of the PLASMA.

Correct?

The ELECTRIC UNIVERSE reckons the

Bennett pinch​

Common behavior


Pinches may become unstable. They radiate energy across the whole electromagnetic spectrum including radio waves, microwaves, infrared, x-rays, gamma rays, synchrotron radiation, and visible light. They also produce neutrons, as a product of fusion.

I think the mainstream researchers are very close now.

The researchers think that the magnetic forces in the galactic center may be strong enough to keep the plasma from spreading, instead confining it into the concentrated filaments seen in the Webb image. These strong magnetic fields may also resist the gravity that would typically cause dense clouds of gas and dust to collapse and forge stars, explaining Sagittarius C’s lower-than-expected star formation rate.


“This is an exciting area for future research, as the influence of strong magnetic fields, in the center of our galaxy or other galaxies, on stellar ecology has not been fully considered,” said Crowe.

I reckon there is PLASMA DOUBLE LAYER at play here. Not swirley GAS!

You will have to do better than that nowadays!

Is that all you would suggest as this small region cannot be created without gravity?
Hint: An ELECTRIC CURRENT (like the one in this small region) needs to have a potential difference (charge separation) and flow in a circuit.

Start with those basics to see if we can move onto the crux...

How is this charge separation created and maintained, in a quasi neutral PERFECTLY CONDUCTIVE PLASMA? Problems? How about if you try the same in your astrophysical GAS? Swirly motions?

 

[Sol88]

Oh no, He's invoked the PLASMA INSTABILITY...

The Z-PINCH

 

[Sol88]

To be clear the YOU (mainstream) call these ELECTRIC CURRENTS NTF's as per your peer reviewed paper by Bally et al.

Polarized radio continuum emission from hundreds of nonthermal filaments (NTFs) in the CMZ trace relativistic, magnetically confined synchrotron emission region.

as they say, this is exciting...

“This is an exciting area for future research, as the influence of strong magnetic fields, in the center of our galaxy or other galaxies, on stellar ecology has not been fully considered,” said Crowe.

More fully consider this exciting area?

Mainstream have considered this before?

I assume mainstream know where galactic magnetic fields come from.

 

[Sol88]

3. Examples of Charge Separation and Electric Fields in Astrophysical Contexts​

a. Supernova Remnants​

In a supernova explosion, the shock wave propagates outward through the surrounding gas and plasma. As the shock passes through the plasma, electrons are accelerated ahead of the ions (because they are lighter), leading to charge separation. This separation creates electric fields that accelerate the ions and electrons to relativistic speeds, generating cosmic rays and often resulting in nonthermal filaments.

• Electric fields in these regions can accelerate electrons to relativistic speeds, which can then emit synchrotron radiation when they are deflected by magnetic fields.

b. Active Galactic Nuclei (AGN) and Relativistic Jets​

In the regions around a supermassive black hole (like Sagittarius A* at the center of the Milky Way), the extreme magnetic fields and high-energy particles can cause charge separation in the accretion disk or outflows. The resulting electric fields play a significant role in accelerating plasma in the relativistic jets that are emitted from the black hole.

• These electric fields are responsible for accelerating electrons and ions along the magnetic field lines, often producing nonthermal radiation (such as synchrotron radiation) that is observed as nonthermal filaments.

c. Galaxy Clusters​

In galaxy clusters, plasma is often heated by mergers of galaxies or the motion of galaxies through the cluster. This leads to charge separation within the plasma, creating electric fields that can accelerate charged particles. These accelerated particles interact with the magnetic fields in the cluster to create radio-emitting nonthermal filaments.

Fascinating stuff!

And how is this ELECTRIC CURRENT created? If your answer is simply “charge separation”, you are not digging deep enough!

4. Role of Electric Fields in Plasma Dynamics​

• Particle Acceleration: Electric fields can cause charged particles to accelerate in directions that would not otherwise be possible with just magnetic fields. In regions of charge separation, the electric field can act as a secondary force to amplify the speed of electrons and ions, further contributing to phenomena like cosmic ray production and the creation of nonthermal filaments.
• Formation of Filaments: In certain cases, the electric field can also contribute to the formation of filamentary structures in the plasma. These filaments may align with the magnetic field lines or occur in regions of high charge separation, contributing to the observed synchrotron radiation seen in nonthermal filaments.
• Energy Transfer: The presence of electric fields helps to transfer energy between electrons and ions in plasma. This is important in the formation of high-energy particles that emit nonthermal radiation, which is commonly observed as filamentary structures in various astrophysical environments.

There's your problem steenkh!

How do the mainstream maintain charge separation and double layer formation in a highly conductive quasi neutral plasma?

 

[steenkh]

So more effects of gravity on electromagnetic forces, and no support of your religion. Who’d have thought?

 

[Sol88]

So more effects of gravity on electromagnetic forces, and no support of your religion. Who’d have thought?

Yeah, I see that! The extreme tidal forces involved are extreme! What with GAS swirling and magnetic fields stretching. Nek minute PLASMA! and PLASMA INSTABILITIES...

“The motion of gas swirling in the extreme tidal forces of the Milky Way’s supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*, can stretch and amplify the surrounding magnetic fields. Those fields, in turn, are shaping the plasma in Sagittarius C,” said Bally.

Steenkh, GRAVITY thru mathamajics turns out to be one of the best particle accelerates (after turning the GAS into PLASMA) we see in space!

 

[Sol88]

There is your propblem, amunst others.

Radio signal from the very early universe offers clues about the first stars​

Fialkov leads the theory group of REACH (the Radio Experiment for the Analysis of Cosmic Hydrogen). REACH is a radio antenna and is one of two major projects that could help us learn about the Cosmic Dawn and the Epoch of Reionization, when the first stars reionized neutral hydrogen atoms in the universe.

GAS to PLASMA!

Main​

Observations of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) show that ~380,000 years after the Big Bang the Universe was nearly homogeneous, and visible matter was composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium. By contrast, the Universe seen today is abundant in heavier elements, and approximately 10% of visible matter is in stars and galaxies. Building a complete picture of the transition between these disparate states is a principal focus of modern cosmology, a vital part of this picture being the first generation of stars and their compact object remnants.

Ummmm is, was and always has been MATTER in the PLASMA state!

What on Earth made mainstream turn PLASMA to GAS and then make up stories on turning GAS back to PLASMA!'

Just add more mass (gravity)?

 

[Sol88]

The first generation of stars (Population III, Pop III) must have formed from the unenriched gas that permeated the Universe after recombination

GAS!




Must have formed from GAS because, i mean, how else do stars form?

 

[steenkh]

Still no support of the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE, but plasma and electric forces are – surprisingly for you perhaps – part and parcel of standard physics.

What on Earth made mainstream turn PLASMA to GAS and then make up stories on turning GAS back to PLASMA!'

Just add more mass (gravity)?

And then a good dollop of ignorance of the physics behind the origin of the universe. This is really stuff that is easy to look up, and also to find in easy, non-math texts.

 

[Ziggurat]

There is your propblem, amunst others.

Are you drunk posting?

 

[steenkh]

Are you drunk posting?

No more plasma to this gentleman, please!