Cont: Electric universe theories here (2)

Sol88 said:
Tusenfem, you do get the gist of what I'm banging on about the mainstream using GAS and PLASMA interchangeable?
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Most of your citations in this regards are to press articles, not actual academic works. The public in general does not know the difference, and using “gas” usually conveys the most important points easier.
Sol88 said:
The question is do mainstream, ziggurat, know the difference between PLASMA and GAS, not me.
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They do. I do.

You do not.
 
most important points easier
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??

:sdl:

Like DOUBLE LAYERS and BIRKELAND CURRENTS?

GAS, no can do, PLASMA (y)

Why not just say PLASMA?

Oh...yeah, that's right.

The ELECTRIC UNIVERSE and the dominate ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE require PLASMA.

You use GAS, why? Make what important points? Gravity rules? Well you kinds need gas I 'spose!

MATTER seems to be used quite interchangeably as well with GAS, in both press release and peer reviewed papers.

All the MATTER in the UNIVERSE is primarily...what?

Oh look... PLASMA

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS
 
Sol88 said:
The question is do mainstream, ziggurat, know the difference between PLASMA and GAS, not me. PLASMA has special properties the mathamagicians don't like. The PLASMA expert here, tusenfem, has alluded not all ionised GAS is a PLASMA.
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Be assured that my colleagues and I (all very mainstream) know the diffferrence between gas and plasma.
Sol88 said:
Why is a lot of work, tusenfem? Could you scale the kinetic description to the UNIVERSE as a whole? Lotsa PLASMA out there. Or is there somesort of limit the simulation can run? Seems to need a big abacus to run. :sdl:
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What simulation are you talking about? I am solving the dispersion relations analytically. And yes that is a lot of work because of all the intergrals and vector products and all that stuff. Lots of paper, lots ink and pencil. And why would I want to scale the universe when I am calculating wave modes around (eventually) comets (am now still in the general description part of the review paper).

You see, the problem with you is that you know words and have an (unfounded) opinion, and then can only insult the persons trying to explain something to you.
Sol88 said:
For the more complex fully kinetic plasma with all the instabilities that can go along with it? Including I take it CHARGED DUST?
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Dust will also play a minor) role if you go to cometary plasmas, and why does it play a minor role? because it is a fragging 1,000,000.000 times heavier than protons (10-18 to 10 -13 kg versus 10-27 kg). And yes. there are two specific dust modes, the dust accoustic and the dust magneto accoustic, and one of them has never been found up to now.
Sol88 said:
Quite often mainstream refer to GAS and DUST...
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I am sure they do, and so what???
 
Right then, the "math" is too hard to run a realistic simulation of PLASMA, got it.

GAS or IONISED GAS makes no difference, I'm talking PLASMA. I think you use the term for this state of matter the same as me.

HH 151 is a bright jet of glowing material trailed by an intricate, orange-hued plume of gas and dust.
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Mainstream GAS and DUST...1957

“ THE STRANGE CASE OF THE COSMIC RAYS ” 1957 BELL SCIENCE SERIES STUDY OF MATTER & UNIVERSE MD10375​


GAS and DUST or COMPLEX PLASMA? "Who will write these chapters?"...

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS are excellent PARTICLE ACCELERATORS

We can add that to the story...

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS
 
How large a fully kinetic particle in cell simulation can your abucus do?

or are ya gunna need lots more paper, lots more ink and bloody big pencil.

Ya cant do it! :D

Me neither to be fair of course but putting the basics together , one gets a far different picture from the GAS guys.

You add dust "it is a fragging 1,000,000.000 times heavier than protons (10-18 to 10 -13 kg versus 10-27 kg)" and charged into the simulation, tell me how ya go.

What are PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS good for in your GAS, ziggurat? Can you have those strong magnetic fields in GAS?


Thought so....:sdl:
 
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Sol88 said:
How large a fully kinetic particle in cell simulation can your abucus do?
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Why do you believe that this is the only way to do accurate simulations? It's not.

Ever single time, you get it wrong.
 
Go on then, continue... tell me ALL the ways to conduct a fully kinetic particle in cell plasma simulation.

:popcorn1
 
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Sol88 said:
Go on then, continue... tell me ALL the ways to conduct a fully kinetic particle in cell plasma simulation.

:popcorn1
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You don't have the first clue about computer simulations, how they work, when they work, or even why they work at all. You have no idea what any of the terminology you just used even means. You don't understand what you're even asking, there's no chance you could ever understand the answer.
 
Yeah right, whatever ya reckon.

from todays physorg...

Star quakes and monster shock waves: Researchers simulate a black hole consuming a neutron star​


To better understand the extreme physics underlying such a grisly demise, researchers at Caltech are using supercomputers to simulate black hole–neutron star collisions. In one study appearing in The Astrophysical Journal Letters, the team, led by Elias Most, a Caltech assistant professor of theoretical astrophysics, developed the most detailed simulation yet of the violent quakes that rupture a neutron star's surface roughly a second before the black hole consumes it.
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Ok, so a big abacus it is then...

A classic pulsar is a highly magnetized neutron star that emits beams of radiation that sweep around like a lighthouse beacon as the star spins on its axis. A black hole pulsar is a hypothetical object in which a black hole launches magnetic winds that would also sweep around it as it spins, mimicking the appearance of a pulsar. While black hole pulsars had been previously conjectured, the simulation is the first to show how such a rare object could actually form in nature from the collision of a neutron star and a black hole.
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So the simulation ends up confirming the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE and that the ELECTROMAGNETIC forces dominates gravity.

top stuff!

Maybe you should inform them that MAGNETIC WINDS??? of GAS?

Serious question, ziggurat, do you believe this simulation?

It is after all...

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRNETS
 
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Ziggurat said:
You don't have the first clue about computer simulations, how they work, when they work, or even why they work at all. You have no idea what any of the terminology you just used even means. You don't understand what you're even asking, there's no chance you could ever understand the answer.
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Mmmm......

Not not batting very well, with your huge intelligence. I mean you still cant work out the difference between PLASMA and GAS.

I'm asking you, ziggurat, "What is the largest fully kinetic particle in cell simulation ever run?" How many particles?


I rest my case...

Ya gunna need a big abacus or in tusenfems case, more paper, more pencils.....

I'm sure you grow tired of being shown up by someone that cant even do math...
 
Sol88 said:
So the simulation ends up confirming the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE and that the ELECTROMAGNETIC forces dominates gravity.
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That is the stupidest possible interpretation you could come up with for what's actually going on. The simulations indicate nothing of the sort.

You think you've found some proof of my mistake, but all you've done is demonstrate, yet again, that you are completely out of your depth.
 
Sol88 said:
I'm asking you, ziggurat, "What is the largest fully kinetic particle in cell simulation ever run?" How many particles?
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And I'm telling you, that's a stupid and irrelevant question, and the answer wouldn't mean anything here.
 
Well the ELECTROMAGNETIC force dominates gravity obliviously, this is what the simulation are telling you.

For instance, "what is a magnetic wind?" ziggurat?

Your simulation says

A classic pulsar is a highly magnetized neutron star that emits beams of radiation that sweep around like a lighthouse beacon as the star spins on its axis. A black hole pulsar is a hypothetical object in which a black hole launches magnetic winds that would also sweep around it as it spins, mimicking the appearance of a pulsar. While black hole pulsars had been previously conjectured, the simulation is the first to show how such a rare object could actually form in nature from the collision of a neutron star and a black hole.
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I do note it is all hypothetical objects and theoretical mathematics, so.... not much better than "Once upon a time..."
 

Key Characteristics of a Magnetic Wind:​


  • Carries magnetic fields with it (magnetized plasma).
  • Is often highly ionized.
  • Can interact with other magnetic fields, causing reconnection, shocks, or energy transfer.
  • Plays a major role in space weather and astrophysical dynamics.
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So PLASMA then... not GAS.

Energy transfer?

What happens if this PLASMA (not GAS) follows a MAGNETIC FIELD LINE?

:D


PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS
 
Sol88 said:
So the simulation ends up confirming the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE and that the ELECTROMAGNETIC forces dominates gravity.
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How did you arrive at that wrong conclusion? Try again (hint: try finding out what the term ‘black hole’ means, and consider if gravity or electromagnetic forces are dominant)
 
Annnnnnd the final outcome was...?

PLASMA from PLASMA


I'll throw a grenade into the mix for ya...is a black hole charged?

How does the PLASMA surrounding the charged black hole behave?

:popcorn2
 
Sol88 said:
Well the ELECTROMAGNETIC force dominates gravity obliviously, this is what the simulation are telling you.
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Nope. The simulations show gravity dominates. That’s why the neutron stars are being swallowed up by the black hole. Gravity is driving the entire interaction. Electromagnetism is just along for the ride. The simulations are quite clear on that. But you’re so clueless you can’t even recognize it.
 
Pftttt, yeah right...swallowed up :sdl:

I mean I know you mob are serious, so, what is a...

Black Hole Pulsar​

Janna Levin, Daniel J. D'Orazio, Sebastian Garcia-Saenz
In anticipation of a LIGO detection of a black hole/neutron star merger, we expand on the intriguing possibility of an electromagnetic counterpart
Black hole/Neutron star mergers could be disappointingly dark since most black holes will be large enough to swallow a neutron star whole, without tidal disruption and without the subsequent fireworks. Encouragingly, we previously found a promising source of luminosity since the black hole and the highly-magnetized neutron star establish an electronic circuit -- a black hole battery. In this paper, arguing against common lore, we consider the electric charge of the black hole as an overlooked source of electromagnetic radiation. Relying on the well known Wald mechanism by which a spinning black hole immersed in an external magnetic field acquires a stable net charge, we show that a strongly-magnetized neutron star in such a binary system will give rise to a large enough charge in the black hole to allow for potentially observable effects. Although the maximum charge is stable, we show there is a continuous flux of charges contributing to the luminosity. Most interestingly, the spinning charged black hole then creates its own magnetic dipole to power a black hole pulsar.
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Well, that tears it!
 
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Sol88 said:
PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS are excellent PARTICLE ACCELERATORS
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Hardly,
Most double layers are weak: e V < or << kT
Boundary double layers don't accelerate anything

Strong double layers can work someting: e V >> kT
 
Although you seem to address Ziggurat and me here
Sol88 said:
How large a fully kinetic particle in cell simulation can your abucus do?

or are ya gunna need lots more paper, lots more ink and bloody big pencil.

Ya cant do it! :D
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What can't I do?
I am not a simulator, and you do not understand simulations so you better not comment.

Sol88 said:
You add dust "it is a fragging 1,000,000.000 times heavier than protons (10-18 to 10 -13 kg versus 10-27 kg)" and charged into the simulation, tell me how ya go.
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"charged into the simulation"? What have you been smoking?
 
steenkh said:
There is an important hint here in the term “black hole”. What do you think is the most important factor here?

Nope, your first guess is wrong! :LOL:
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Black hole = Div/0

Maths works. Maths even works for the black hole pulsar which is a hypothetical object

In fact all the HYPOTHETICAL objects that MATH has come up with... make the mainstream.
I'm sure you can work out what HYPOTHETICAL means.
 
Ziggurat said:
It’s in the title of your own link.

I’ve never met anyone as bad at reading comprehension as you.
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Quite happy for you to work hypothetical objects.

Meantime...

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS


You do remember of course how that one time in band camp, you told me how PLASMA transmits an ELECTRIC CURRENTS and this would generate a STRONG MAGNETIC FIELD.

but then you took your bat n ball and went home, why?

We were so close to Solving the Star Formation Mystery in the Galactic Core for the mainstream.

:v:


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Sol88 said:
We were so close to Solving the Star Formation Mystery in the Galactic Core for the mainstream.
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What you mean "we", white man?

You haven't solved a single physics problem in your life. Not even an introductory physics textbook problem. Nor will you ever.

*I* have stopped solving problems for you because it's not worth the effort. You are incapable of learning, so it is simply a waste of time.
 
tusenfem said:
Hardly,
Most double layers are weak: e V < or << kT
Boundary double layers don't accelerate anything

Strong double layers can work someting: e V >> kT
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Cool so it should be correct to say

PLASMA STRONG DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS

Right, got it.

You are of the same opinion with the boundary double layers SEPARATING CHARGE?

and

These boundary layer double layers can be quite large spatially, correct tusenfem.

In fact that you think that most DOUBLE LAYERS are weak really make no difference to the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE.

For instance how about our "newly discovered" Earth DOUBLE LAYER.

Key Points​


  • A rocket team reports the first successful detection of Earth’s ambipolar electric field: a weak, planet-wide electric field as fundamental as Earth’s gravity and magnetic fields.
  • First hypothesized more than 60 years ago, the ambipolar electric field is a key driver of the “polar wind,” a steady outflow of charged particles into space that occurs above Earth’s poles.
  • This electric field lifts charged particles in our upper atmosphere to greater heights than they would otherwise reach and may have shaped our planet’s evolution in ways yet to be explored.
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NASA Discovers a Long-Sought Global Electric Field on Earth​


So I guess it pretty weak...
 
Ziggurat said:
What you mean "we", white man?

You haven't solved a single physics problem in your life. Not even an introductory physics textbook problem. Nor will you ever.

*I* have stopped solving problems for you because it's not worth the effort. You are incapable of learning, so it is simply a waste of time.
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Well is it GAS or PLASMA?

“With so much gas and dust, why isn’t this a stellar factory?” asked John Bally, an astrophysicist at the University of Colorado Boulder and a key researcher on the project. The answer lies in an invisible force: strong magnetic fields.
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Lets start there.


It's a mystery!

:sdl:


but you solved it and then took off.

Of course it's a ELECTRIC CURRENT (BIRKELAND CURRENTS) causing you said.

Magnetic Fields: The Cosmic Sculptors​

The 2023 Webb image of Sagittarius C revealed dozens of filamentary structures in a hot hydrogen plasma cloud. Now, Bally’s team suggests these filaments are sculpted by magnetic fields, amplified by the tidal forces of Sagittarius A*. These fields may confine plasma into tight, concentrated strands, resisting the gravitational pull that would otherwise birth stars. This could explain the region’s low star formation rate.

“Magnetic fields might be the missing piece in the galactic center’s stellar puzzle,” Bally noted. “Their influence on star formation here—and potentially in other galaxies—is an exciting frontier for future research.”
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So you know...

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS
 
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tusenfem said:
Hardly,
Most double layers are weak: e V < or << kT
Boundary double layers don't accelerate anything

Strong double layers can work someting: e V >> kT
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Even this weak double layer 10.6 times stronger than gravity.

Hydrogen ions, the most abundant type of particle in the polar wind, experience an outward force from this field 10.6 times stronger than gravity. “That’s more than enough to counter gravity — in fact, it’s enough to launch them upwards into space at supersonic speeds,” said Alex Glocer, Endurance project scientist at NASA Goddard and co-author of the paper.
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What is the ELECTRIC FIELD strength around a black hole one would ask. I mean if good 'ol Earth has 10.6 time stronger than gravity and a black hole has infinite gravity but the ELECTRIC FIELD would be more infinite?

or we don't really worry about charge and blackholes?
 
Ziggurat said:
It's like a Tourette's of stupidity.
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Why This Matters​

The James Webb Space Telescope continues to redefine our view of the universe. By probing the Milky Way’s core, it’s not just revealing the birth of stars but also the forces that govern them. Led by NASA with partners ESA and CSA, Webb is paving the way for discoveries that deepen our grasp of cosmic evolution.

Stay tuned to JamesWebbDiscovery.com for more updates on this stellar journey!
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the ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE and GRAVITY

and now that you, ziggurat are up to speed on ELECTRIC CURRENTS thru PLASMA causing the observed FILAMENTS.

Magnetic Fields: The Cosmic Sculptors​

The 2023 Webb image of Sagittarius C revealed dozens of filamentary structures in a hot hydrogen plasma cloud. Now, Bally’s team suggests these filaments are sculpted by magnetic fields, amplified by the tidal forces of Sagittarius A*. These fields may confine plasma into tight, concentrated strands, resisting the gravitational pull that would otherwise birth stars. This could explain the region’s low star formation rate.

“Magnetic fields might be the missing piece in the galactic center’s stellar puzzle,” Bally noted. “Their influence on star formation here—and potentially in other galaxies—is an exciting frontier for future research.”
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but you run away and will not debate, why?

Spit the dummy. Ever heard of that saying?
 
tusenfem said:
Did not say that, and you do not understand simulations, got it!
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Yeah I understand.

Ya gunna needa bigger computer a supercomputer or a superdupercomputora?

Even mainstreams favorite three body problem requires substantial computational power.

So yeah nah got it.

Hypothetical maths was a very cosy way of isolating a discipline...

Put the real physics in.... ya gunna need a bigger 'puter!
 
tusenfem said:
Although you seem to address Ziggurat and me here

What can't I do?
I am not a simulator, and you do not understand simulations so you better not comment.


"charged into the simulation"? What have you been smoking?
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What charge is the dust carrying?

What mass is the dust at this charge?

Smoking? Common sense mate! Put dust Into the fully kinetic particle in cell simulation, the most realist PLASMA simulation, where the particles are IONS, ELECTRONS and CHARGED DUST, throw in the conditions for PLASMA INSTABILITIES...

See how it goes, ay!
 
Sol88 said:
So I guess it pretty weak...
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Yes. So weak that for decades we weren't even able to measure it, and have only now been able to because of advances in instrumentation. The article even puts a number on the field strength in your very link. I know you're bad at numbers and cannot ever calculate them, but can you not even read them? Do you have number blindness or something?

You just proved my earlier statement about having the worst reading comprehension of anyone I've ever encountered.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yes. So weak that for decades we weren't even able to measure it, and have only now been able to because of advances in instrumentation. The article even puts a number on the field strength in your very link. I know you're bad at numbers and cannot ever calculate them, but can you not even read them? Do you have number blindness or something?

You just proved my earlier statement about having the worst reading comprehension of anyone I've ever encountered.
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Agreed, weak. electric potential of only 0.55 volts.

Wouldn't even give the tongue a tingle that!

but Alex reckons...

Hydrogen ions, the most abundant type of particle in the polar wind, experience an outward force from this field 10.6 times stronger than gravity. “That’s more than enough to counter gravity — in fact, it’s enough to launch them upwards into space at supersonic speeds,” said Alex Glocer, Endurance project scientist at NASA Goddard and co-author of the paper.
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So the ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE dominates gravity at only a weak 0.55v

Not on GAS of course that's silly but PLASMA!

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