Cont: Electric universe theories here (2)

[steenkh]

Simples really but cheers PLASMA EXPERT tusenfem on putting poor ziggurat out of their misery!

Job well done.

What job? What misery? Nothing tusenfem said supported anything you said. The misery is all yours.

 

[Myriad]

Continue digging... you'll get to the important bit soon. (Induction)

So your explanation is, induction can create magnetic fields, and gravity acting on mass can power induction.

Cool. Why did you say that's impossible earlier?

 

[Sol88]

Awesome, we are all on the same page! Hydroelectric generation is fascinating stuff.

So, with regard to STRONG MAGNETIC FIELDS star formation and astrophysical PLASMA, and you seem pretty well informed, how are strong magnetic fields, using gravity, produces and sustain?

Care to step up when other have faded?

 

[Sol88]

New form of dark matter could solve decades-old Milky Way mystery​

Astronomers have long been puzzled by two strange phenomena at the heart of our galaxy. First, the gas in the central molecular zone (CMZ), a dense and chaotic region near the Milky Way's core, appears to be ionized (meaning it is electrically charged because it has lost electrons) at a surprisingly high rate.

Ionised GAS! Soooooo...PLASMA

Where did those ELECTRONS go?


NASA, ESA, CSA, STScI, SARAO, Samuel Crowe (UVA), John Bally (CU), Ruben Fedriani (IAA-CSIC), Ian Heywood (Oxford)

The star-forming region Sagittarius C, captured by the James Webb Space Telescope, is about 200 light-years from the Milky Way’s central supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*. The spectral index at the lower left shows how color was assigned to the radio data to create the image. On the negative end, there is non-thermal emission, stimulated by electrons spiraling around magnetic field lines. On the positive side, thermal emission is coming from hot, ionized plasma. For Webb, color is assigned by shifting the infrared spectrum to visible light colors. The shortest infrared wavelengths are bluer, and the longer wavelengths appear more red.

Magnetic Fields and Star Formation​

Webb’s 2023 image of Sagittarius C showed dozens of distinctive filaments in a region of hot hydrogen plasma surrounding the main star-forming cloud. New analysis by Bally and his team has led them to hypothesize that the filaments are shaped by magnetic fields, which have also been observed in the past by the ground-based observatories ALMA and MeerKAT (formerly the Karoo Array Telescope).

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[steenkh]

More fascinating cosmological news, and, as usual, not a shred supporting EU.

 

[Ziggurat]

Continue digging... you'll get to the important bit soon. (Induction)

Induction doesn't create magnetic fields.

God damn, you're bad at this.

 

[Sol88]

Well then, how are strong magnetic fields produce and sustain in astrophysical plasmas?

You've already ruled out INDUCTION. What else can cause what we observe, strong magnetic fields.

 

[Sol88]

Experts reckon “The motion of gas swirling in the extreme tidal forces of the Milky Way’s supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*, can stretch and amplify the surrounding magnetic fields."

Do you reckon swirly gas can cause strong magnetic fields, ziggurat? Now you have ruled out induction.

 

[Ziggurat]

You've already ruled out INDUCTION.

Do you even know what induction is? I don't think you do.

 

[Sol88]

You don't think so? Well, how are strong magnetic fields produced? can't or won't answer?

Faraday's law of induction



Anyhoo... speaking of Faraday

Magnetic fields can map the universe—here's how​

Who knew that magnetic fields could be so useful? Astronomers are able to use magnetic fields to map our environment within the Milky Way using a technique called Faraday rotation.

Indeed, who knew? I doubt ziggurat does. How do strong magnetic fields form and sustained? Was too hard, it seems.

Well, I say there's a lot of dust, but it's at very, very low densities. Thankfully, the volumes within interstellar space are so vast that the total amount of dust can really add up. And all these little dust grains have little magnetic fields associated with them, because all the grains are made of electric charges and they're spinning around themselves.

DUSTY PLASMA (Complex PLASMA)

Electric and magnetic fields are perfectly capable of influencing each other and responding to each other. For example, a changing electric field produces a magnetic field, and vice versa.

Just gets better and better...


PLASMA (including DUSTY PLASMA) DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS


How are those magnetic fields produced again, ziggurat?

 

[Ziggurat]

You don't think so? Well, how are strong magnetic fields produced? can't or won't answer?

I'm not in the mood. You have dodged too many questions from me. Start answering some of mine, and I might reconsider.

Faraday's law of induction

Yet more monkeys reading philosophy without understanding it.

Faraday induction describes how to use an existing magnetic field to create an electric current. It does not describe how to create a magnetic field. This is basic introductory physics, and you're failing it, badly. Because you don't understand anything that you're talking about.

I have never known anyone in my life less capable of learning than you.

 

[steenkh]

How are those magnetic fields produced again, ziggurat?

Instead of asking Ziggurat to help you out, why don’t you go to your own cult leaders and ask them? Or do they also need real experts to help them out?

(And remember to ask them how to power those structures that are too big for electromagnetic forces)

 

[Sol88]

I'm not in the mood. You have dodged too many questions from me. Start answering some of mine, and I might reconsider.

Be an easy answer, now would it not? No maths.

Childish. I've never not answered your questions, you just proclamate that because I cant do "math" and you can then....but a simple question brings reality into sharp focus.

How are strong magnetic fields produced and sustained in astrophysical plasma, ziggurat?


Reminds me of someone else on this thread, an "expert" too!


Care to answer or

 

[Sol88]

Instead of asking Ziggurat to help you out, why don’t you go to your own cult leaders and ask them? Or do they also need real experts to help them out?

(And remember to ask them how to power those structures that are too big for electromagnetic forces)

You are under the illusion I need help? from ziggurat?

How? cant/wont answer quite a simple question. Not capable?

Too big for the ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE? How?

 

[Ziggurat]

I've never not answered your questions

That's a lie. You generally respond, but don't actually answer. "Plasma! Double layers! Birkeland currents!" isn't an answer, it's a Tourets tick.

 

[Sol88]

I cant do math!

These are the answers you are looking for. Whip out the abacus 'cos this is full of complicated math...

So you cant or wont answer a simple question? Why? Painted into a corner?

It involves PLASMA 100% and has magnetic fields, charged particles in motion...

So, ziggurat, how are STRONG MAGNETIC FIELD in astrophysical PLASMA formed and sustained?

Whataya reckon sport? i cant do math and you cant answer a simple question using words.

No wonder mainstream is in a dizzy!

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[Ziggurat]

I cant do math!

No EUtard can. I wonder why

So you cant or wont answer a simple question? Why? Painted into a corner?

Because I'm tired of your bull ◊◊◊◊ and I don't want to play anymore.

It involves PLASMA 100% and has magnetic fields, charged particles in motion...

The mainstream physics understanding includes this. The fact that press reports use the word "gas" (which, again, is a category including plasma) doesn't mean mainstream physics is ignorant of plasma. So what does the EUtard view add? Nothing. Not one God damn thing.

Whataya reckon sport? i cant do math and you cant answer a simple question using words.

If the answer only needs words, then answer it yourself.

Oh, and the answer isn't induction. That's stupid.

 

[Sol88]

Dont blow a fuse!

It's an ELECTRIC CURRENT!

NASA Webb Explores Effect of Strong Magnetic Fields on Star Formation ​

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“Outflows from forming stars in Sagittarius C have been hinted at in past observations, but this is the first time we’ve been able to confirm them in infrared light. It’s very exciting to see, because there is still a lot we don’t know about star formation, especially in the Central Molecular Zone, and it’s so important to how the universe works,” said Crowe.

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PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS

Electric Star Birth​

The existence of powerful magnetic fields must also indicate the presence of strong electric fields, since there can be no magnetic fields without electricity.

How are STRONG MAGNETIC FIELDS formed and sustained again, ziggurat?

A weak electric field will develop, and an electric field, no matter how weak, will initiate an electric current, generating a magnetic field.

Those charge streams form twisted pairs of filaments in plasma called Birkeland currents.

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS

 

[Sol88]

Well, it's been fun. Thank you for your time zigurat.

ziggurat wrote:

The mainstream physics understanding includes this. The fact that press reports use the word "gas" (which, again, is a category including plasma) doesn't mean mainstream physics is ignorant of plasma. So what does the EUtard view add? Nothing. Not one God damn thing.

Yeah, ok then...However, any electrical activity is ignored in the research article, as is the electromagnetic nature of plasma.

Plasma is not defined in the conventional sense that falls back on gas behavior and thermal ionization. As written previously, plasma is an emergent, or higher-level, orderliness in complex electrical forces that tend toward chaos. Properties such as filamentation, long-range attraction and short-range repulsion, braiding, characteristic velocities, formation and decay of plasmoids, and scalability are only some of those parts that characterize matter as plasma, as are the dozens of instabilities that occur.

PLASMA is not a subset of anything. In the beginning there was the PLASMA!

When asked a simple question, "How are STRONG MAGNETIC FIELDS formed and sustained again, ziggurat?", big bangers run for the hills and circle the wagons, take their bat n ball and dont wont to play anymore!

 

[Ziggurat]

Yeah, ok then...However, any electrical activity is ignored in the research article, as is the electromagnetic nature of plasma.

No it isn't. This is a straight up lie.

PLASMA is not a subset of anything. In the beginning there was the PLASMA!

And God saw that it was conductive.

You really are religious about this

When asked a simple question, "How are STRONG MAGNETIC FIELDS formed and sustained again, ziggurat?", big bangers run for the hills and circle the wagons, take their bat n ball and dont wont to play anymore!

You can look up the numbers yourself. They have been measured. Why do you need me? Looking up a number doesn't even take any math.

I won't do it for you because there's no reason to.

 

[Sol88]

No it isn't. This is a straight up lie.

You've successful ignored it so far in this little run...

Well, how do strong magnetic fields form in GAS..

Mainstream answer, please.



I rest my case.

 

[Ziggurat]

I rest my case.

What case? You haven’t made any case. You haven’t even made a coherent claim.

 

[Sol88]

Strong magnetic fields are created by electric currents....I rest my case.

You say strong magnetic fields are made by...crickets chirping gently, again, I rest my case.

Apologies for using NO MATH to show the inadequacies of a gravity (GAS) dominated Universe.

The ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE is king.

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Do you not find it hilarious that such a simple question cannot be answered by the mainstream.

How are strong magnetic fields created ans sustained in astrophysical plasma? Well, ELECTRIC CURRENTS obviously!

This will require an ELECTRIC FIELD.

DOUBLE LAYERS are a special ELECTRIC FIELD!

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[steenkh]

You are under the illusion I need help? from ziggurat?

Well, you are asking for it all the time …

How? cant/wont answer quite a simple question. Not capable?

According to what he says himself, it is “won’t”. Why should he do the work for you? Over the years, he has done this many times, only to find that you didn’t understand a word of what he wrote.

Your religious attachment to the cause is standing in the way of understanding. It is particularly evident that you just can’t understand that real physics already works with plasmas, so the mere mention of plasma in an article does not mean that your religious physics is being supported, just like impossible physics do not suddenly become possible if you can find a flaw in conventional physics.

 

[Sol88]

Ummm....no ziggurat did not.

He did some whacky calcs on the sun being charged and trying to change planetary orbits. A very nice red herring.

When asked about an actual observation of STRONG MAGNETIC FIELDS in star formation...as per Wallace Thornhill's work... Defensive much!

These strong magnetic fields are formed by Birkeland currents (ELECTRIC CURRENTS). Though the mainstream bangers seem stumped.

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS


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[steenkh]

Though the mainstream bangers seem stumped.

I believe the mainstream bangers are stumped at the level of ignorance displayed by Eutards. At least what has been on display here. I have never tried to find such material elsewhere.

 

[Sol88]

Well

“The motion of gas swirling in the extreme tidal forces of the Milky Way’s supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*, can stretch and amplify the surrounding magnetic fields. Those fields, in turn, are shaping the plasma in Sagittarius C,” said Bally.

Yeah nah they are stumped! Swirly GAS.




GAS a subset of PLASMA!

 

[Ziggurat]

Strong magnetic fields are created by electric currents....I rest my case.

That's not a case. That's just a pedestrian statement that everyone already knows. But it's also like saying you've solved an arson case because you've discovered that fire is caused by the combination of fuel, oxygen, and heat. Well, yes, that's true, but it doesn't explain any particular fire, and how those conditions came to coincide.

How are strong magnetic fields created ans sustained in astrophysical plasma? Well, ELECTRIC CURRENTS obviously!

This will require an ELECTRIC FIELD.

DOUBLE LAYERS are a special ELECTRIC FIELD!

Do you know what happens if a double layer drives an electric current?

The double layer disappears.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Sol88]

So an ELECTRIC CURRENT. Why was that so hard?


So we agree, without using math, that strong magnetic fields are caused by electric currents. In the context that we are discussing. NASA Webb Explores Effect of Strong Magnetic Fields on Star Formation




Pretty basic stuff. Why invent stuff and use abstract theoretical "math"?

Mainstream on the other hand.

“The motion of gas swirling in the extreme tidal forces of the Milky Way’s supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*, can stretch and amplify the surrounding magnetic fields. Those fields, in turn, are shaping the plasma in Sagittarius C,” said Bally.

If mainstream know that ELECTRIC CURRENTS drive strong magnetic fields, why say that Gravity and swirly GAS do? Seems strange.

PLASMA instabilities are more likely in PLASMA than gravity swirling GAS around.

 

[steenkh]

If mainstream know that ELECTRIC CURRENTS drive strong magnetic fields, why say that Gravity and swirly GAS do? Seems strange.

That is because mainstream thinks deeper: those electric currents are created by gravity, whereas plasma instabilities can’t drive very much before they disappear.

 

[Ziggurat]

So an ELECTRIC CURRENT. Why was that so hard?

It wasn't hard, it was unnecessary.

If mainstream know that ELECTRIC CURRENTS drive strong magnetic fields, why say that Gravity and swirly GAS do? Seems strange.

If fire is caused by fuel, oxygen, and heat, why investigate arson?

Because that answer doesn't suffice.

 

[tusenfem]

What job? What misery? Nothing tusenfem said supported anything you said. The misery is all yours.

I have no idea what Sol88 is talking about, but that is no real surprise.

 

[Sol88]

It wasn't hard, it was unnecessary.

If fire is caused by fuel, oxygen, and heat, why investigate arson?

Because that answer doesn't suffice.

So you have no idea? It was a simple question and I really thought, what with your vast mathematical skills, it would be a dawdle.

Well here is another one for you that might short your circuitry...

Twinkling star reveals the shocking secrets of turbulent plasma in our cosmic neighborhood​

The study, published today in Nature Astronomy, also describes the first measurements of plasma layers within an interstellar shock wave that surrounds a pulsar.


We now realize our local interstellar medium is filled with these structures and our findings also include a rare phenomenon that will challenge theories of pulsar shock waves.

PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS BIRKELAND CURRENTS

 

[Sol88]

I have no idea what Sol88 is talking about, but that is no real surprise.

It was in response to a simple question. I'm sure you, as a super duper space plasma physicist, would have had a simple answer.

 

[Ziggurat]

So you have no idea?

I have ideas. I have lost all interest in teaching you. You never learn.

 

[Sol88]

So NOT an electric current? You never actually answered.

Learn? I've learnt plenty on GAS and polygons from you so, yeah cheers! I'm interested in the DOMINATE form of matter and the DOMINATE force at play in the INFINITE UNIVERSE.

PLASMA on the other hand is vitriol to you and the mainstream.

Gravity.... It works!

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[Ziggurat]

So NOT an electric current?

I never said that.

You never actually answered.

Correct. And I don't intend to. There's a large body of literature out there already, you can find it yourself (though in fairness, you won't understand any of it). I'm not going to spoon feed you, you're a waste of time and effort.

I'm interested in the DOMINATE form of matter and the DOMINATE force at play in the INFINITE UNIVERSE.

Are you interested in the difference between verbs and adjectives?

 

[Sol88]

I never said that.

Correct. And I don't intend to. There's a large body of literature out there already, you can find it yourself (though in fairness, you won't understand any of it). I'm not going to spoon feed you, you're a waste of time and effort.

Are you interested in the difference between verbs and adjectives?

Good one!

PLASMA ELECTRIC FIELDS ELECTRIC CURRENTS ( plasma double layers Birkeland current)

Plenty of literature. have you read any?

I'd assume you are up to speed mathematically on INDUCTION? As per...

Assuming the plasma be at rest, the induction equation becomes a pure diffusion equation:

Basic PLASMA concepts and models.... I do note "frozen in" magnetic fields are in play here. So could use and update.

Magnetized Plasmas In order to study the transport of plasma and magnetic field lines quantitatively, let us combine Maxwell‘s equations with the simple phenomenological Ohm‘s law, relating the electric field in the plasma frame with its current:

If the PLASMA is in MOTION relative to another PLASMA of different properties....then?

Though since you've ruled out INDUCTION, I'm not sure I can help yup grasp the BASICS.... apologies.





STRONG MAGNETIC FIELDS are caused by ELECTRIC CURRENTS. Read above.


Would you still like a hand on the BASICS? Or you're all good on the exclusion of PLASMA, DOUBLE LAYERS and BIRKELAND CURRENTS?


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[Ziggurat]

PLASMA ELECTRIC FIELDS ELECTRIC CURRENTS ( plasma double layers Birkeland current)

 

[Sol88]

Ahhhh... 'ol man Simpsons. Classic