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Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
Garcia is no longer at CECOT. He was transfered to a different prison where he has his own cell, a bed, lamp, and other things.
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That's curious. I wonder who ordered that. Who has the authority to order he be moved to a less bleak and dangerous version of incarceration without trial?
 
The Don said:
Vance on Garcia radical judges versus "the will of the American People"

The number of illegal immigrants seems to increase every time they mention it. At this rate, it's only a matter of time before more than 100% of the US population are illegal.
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Numbers just instinctively inflate around Trump. Like Canada's trade deficit was $200m when Donny told the world about it and by the time he finished his sentence he'd decided it was maybe more like $250m. (I gather it was really around $70m.)
 
Israel! Must come first.

Anonymous (@youranoncentral.bsky.social)

In the US the Trump regime is dutifully serving Israel by violating the rights of US citizens who criticize or protest against its mass murder or human rights violations of Palestinians in Gaza. In Michigan, the regime sent the FBI to violently break into students homes. #EndImpunity
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Gulliver Foyle said:
That story reads as if it's gotten to the stage where deportations are being used to revenge petty personal grievances. There's no way that such a deportation would happen in a working system, no matter how cruel.
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I'm pleased to report that this person's visa has been restored. He is no longer in danger of being deported. This is why we require due process.
 
Tero said:
Israel! Must come first.

Anonymous (@youranoncentral.bsky.social)

In the US the Trump regime is dutifully serving Israel by violating the rights of US citizens who criticize or protest against its mass murder or human rights violations of Palestinians in Gaza. In Michigan, the regime sent the FBI to violently break into students homes. #EndImpunity
bsky.app bsky.app
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No-no-no, they're vandals. You know, like the Tesla vandals this corrupt administration is hoping to send to the Salvadoran slave prison.
 
plague311 said:
Do you have something specific? Something where the court ruled against him or his policies and he accepted it.
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#1. SCOTUS ruled against his attempts to overturn the election.

#2. SCOTUS ruled against his case that ONLY state legislatures can adjust state election law.

#3. SCOTUS rejected an appeal of the Maryland and Delaware Assault Weapons Ban.

#4. SCOTUS ruled that its legal to require hospitals nation-wide provide emergency abortions.

#5. the Supreme Court upheld a federal law prohibiting gun possession by domestic abusers subject to protective orders.

#6. the Supreme Court struck down the federal ban on bump stocks in a 6–3 decision.
 
Oh look, another "mistake!"

A Venezuelan man reportedly took a wrong turn onto the Ambassador Bridge in Detroit, crossing into Canada, and was then allegedly detained and deported to El Salvador when he tried to return to U.S. soil.


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Ricardo Prada Vásquez, a 32-year-old Venezuelan
immigrant legally residing in the U.S., was working as a delivery driver in January in Detroit and had picked up an order at McDonald’s when he made the wrong turn, according to the New York Times, which first published the report.

Prada was detained while attempting to re-enter the U.S. at the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel and was taken into custody and put in detention before he was deported.

The publication reports that Prada told a friend in Chicago that he was among a number of detainees housed in Texas on March 15.

“He has simply disappeared,” his friend Javier told the Times.
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OOOPS!
 
Hercules56 said:
#1. SCOTUS ruled against his attempts to overturn the election.

#2. SCOTUS ruled against his case that ONLY state legislatures can adjust state election law.

#3. SCOTUS rejected an appeal of the Maryland and Delaware Assault Weapons Ban.

#4. SCOTUS ruled that its legal to require hospitals nation-wide provide emergency abortions.

#5. the Supreme Court upheld a federal law prohibiting gun possession by domestic abusers subject to protective orders.

#6. the Supreme Court struck down the federal ban on bump stocks in a 6–3 decision.
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There was no way for him to defy those though, right? None of those were under the Executive branch. They were either state, or the agency(ies) that enforced the laws weren't under his control. Here he just seems to not listen, I mean we're seeing it in real time. He's actively ignoring the SCOTUS and you're here telling us to ignore our own lying eyes because This Time™ he'll be presidential and listen, right?

I mean, he couldn't force himself to stay in the White House. Ignoring it wouldn't work. He can't force states to do anything with election law. He can't force Maryland and Delaware to do whatever he wanted with assault weapons. He can't force hospitals to refuse to do abortions, etc. In immigration cases he can just tell ICE to do it and they, apparently, will without hesitation.

You're wrong.
 
The government claims it has "confirmed" that Prada is a member of Tren de Aragua, and on that basis has renditioned him to El Salvador. But if that "confirmation" had been the result of due process, there would be a record of the evidence produced, the details of when and how Prada was able to challenge that determination, and the identity of the person who made it. None of that is forthcoming. The government simply assumes all immigrants from Venezuela are an invading army of terrorists and it can do with them what it pleases. Prada was in the country legally as a parolee. It would have been one thing to simply deny him reentry to the United States, as the government may do with any person who presents himself for entry without proper documentation. But to accept him back in only to arrest and rendition him without due process associated with his lawfully granted and legally binding parole is simply cruel and unconstitutional.
 
The government already admitted they sent him there by mistake and now they are doing their best to gaslight America with this nonsense about gang membership and wife-beating.
 
The man detained and renditioned after an inadvertent sally into Canada is Ricardo Prada Vásquez. He had permission to be in the United States as the result of a parole. His case has not been acted upon, and the government does not assert that he was renditioned in error. That's different from Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who has been ordered returned by a federal judge. The same judge has also ordered the return of another Venezuelan who had reached a settlement with an immigration court that prevented his removal. The government contends it has "determined" that he is a member of Tren de Aragua and thus (somehow) removed from the settlement class, but as usual can provide no evidence to support a determination beyond that he is an adult Venezualan man.

They're not even pretending with tattoos anymore.
 
plague311 said:
There was no way for him to defy those though, right? None of those were under the Executive branch. They were either state, or the agency(ies) that enforced the laws weren't under his control. Here he just seems to not listen, I mean we're seeing it in real time. He's actively ignoring the SCOTUS and you're here telling us to ignore our own lying eyes because This Time™ he'll be presidential and listen, right?

I mean, he couldn't force himself to stay in the White House. Ignoring it wouldn't work. He can't force states to do anything with election law. He can't force Maryland and Delaware to do whatever he wanted with assault weapons. He can't force hospitals to refuse to do abortions, etc. In immigration cases he can just tell ICE to do it and they, apparently, will without hesitation.

You're wrong.
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No, he can order the ATF to simply not abide by the Supreme Court and arrest people who possess bump stocks. He can also order the ATF to allow gun sales to people who had a restraining order. He can also threaten to withhold federal funds from hospitals that perform emergency abortions if abortion is banned in that state.

So I am not wrong.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, he can order the ATF to simply not abide by the Supreme Court and arrest people who possess bump stocks. He can also order the ATF to allow gun sales to people who had a restraining order. He can also threaten to withhold federal funds from hospitals that perform emergency abortions if abortion is banned in that state.

So I am not wrong.
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Those are tools to enable his policy through his executive power. He isn't just ignoring a SCOTUS decision. I don't know why you're so stuck on this but I'm not going to further derail the thread. This has nothing to do with the topic at all.
 
plague311 said:
Those are tools to enable his policy through his executive power. He isn't just ignoring a SCOTUS decision. I don't know why you're so stuck on this but I'm not going to further derail the thread. This has nothing to do with the topic at all.
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If he wanted to ignore the SCOTUS decisions he could very easily order the ATF and HHS to do just that. But he did not.
 
JayUtah said:
The government claims it has "confirmed" that Prada is a member of Tren de Aragua, and on that basis has renditioned him to El Salvador. But if that "confirmation" had been the result of due process, there would be a record of the evidence produced, the details of when and how Prada was able to challenge that determination, and the identity of the person who made it. None of that is forthcoming. The government simply assumes all immigrants from Venezuela are an invading army of terrorists and it can do with them what it pleases. Prada was in the country legally as a parolee. It would have been one thing to simply deny him reentry to the United States, as the government may do with any person who presents himself for entry without proper documentation. But to accept him back in only to arrest and rendition him without due process associated with his lawfully granted and legally binding parole is simply cruel and unconstitutional.
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What is this constitution of which you speak?
 
JayUtah said:
I'm pleased to report that this person's visa has been restored. He is no longer in danger of being deported. This is why we require due process.
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I think there is no evidence for this. Green card or naturalisation, still there is a risk of deportation. Even if US born there may be a risk of deportation if Trump gets his way.
 
The Don said:
Vance on Garcia radical judges versus "the will of the American People"

The number of illegal immigrants seems to increase every time they mention it. At this rate, it's only a matter of time before more than 100% of the US population are illegal.
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100% of the minority population certainly will be. From black people to trans kids. Hard times ahead.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
100% of the minority population certainly will be. From black people to trans kids. Hard times ahead.
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Well, Sebastian Gorka, Senior Director of Counterterrorism, thinks that critics of Trump's foreign and deportation policies could be prosecuted for aiding and abetting criminals.

So we have that to look forward to.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, the deportation was in error. And in violation of the Alien & Sedition Act. Trump was ordered to cease the deportations and he violated the order.
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Hercules56 said:
I seem to remember our side demanding that a certain someone accept 40 odd federal court decisions that he did not like, in the name of democracy and the US Constitution. Are we now fair-weather supporters of the judicial system?
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The Ranting Rapist Regime is going after judges....
www.theguardian.com

FBI arrests judge for alleged obstruction of immigration arrest operation, Patel says in deleted social post – live

US Marshal Service confirms arrest of judge Hannah Dugan shortly after FBI director’s since-deleted X post accusing her of helping an immigrant ‘evade arrest’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Grow up
 
catsmate said:
The Ranting Rapist Regime is going after judges....
www.theguardian.com

FBI arrests judge for alleged obstruction of immigration arrest operation, Patel says in deleted social post – live

US Marshal Service confirms arrest of judge Hannah Dugan shortly after FBI director’s since-deleted X post accusing her of helping an immigrant ‘evade arrest’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Grow up
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If they get away with this one, expect more of it, much more. Every judge that rules against the corrupt Trump regime on immigration will be vulnerable.
 
Resume said:
Well, Sebastian Gorka, Senior Director of Counterterrorism, thinks that critics of Trump's foreign and deportation policies could be prosecuted for aiding and abetting criminals.
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He tried to walk that back, but no one really believes he won't try it. He maintains that politically-motivated crimes against property should still qualify as domestic terrorism. He specifically called out vandalism of Tesla cars and dealerships. Let's hope he has the same hard-nosed approach to people who vandalize Pride flags and who target disfavored minorities for political purposes.
 
catsmate said:
The Ranting Rapist Regime is going after judges....
www.theguardian.com

FBI arrests judge for alleged obstruction of immigration arrest operation, Patel says in deleted social post – live

US Marshal Service confirms arrest of judge Hannah Dugan shortly after FBI director’s since-deleted X post accusing her of helping an immigrant ‘evade arrest’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It looks an awful lot like the tyrannical government the gun-huggers said they needed their precious amendment to protect the nation against. Sadly they voted for the tyranny, so when the day came there was nobody to save the nation after all.
 
JayUtah said:
He tried to walk that back, but no one really believes he won't try it. He maintains that politically-motivated crimes against property should still qualify as domestic terrorism. He specifically called out vandalism of Tesla cars and dealerships. Let's hope he has the same hard-nosed approach to people who vandalize Pride flags and who target disfavored minorities for political purposes.
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They're trial-ballooning arresting judges now, so . . . yeah.
 
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