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Cont: Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness' say psychiatry experts at Yale... Pt 3

A mental health expert is warning that Donald Trump's current mental state could pose a significant threat to the United States. The expert says that Trump currently has what's known as "impotent rage," which means that he feels powerless, and that makes him severely angry. As his anger grows, so do his extremist statements that are leading his followers to commit, or threaten to commit, violent acts. Farron Cousins explains what's happening.
Mental Health Expert Warns That Trump's Mental State Poses Grave Threat To Country (Farron Balanced on YouTube, Aug 20, 2023)
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Former President Donald Trump is facing a personal mental health crisis that is directly affecting America, argued Salon's Chauncey DeVega in conversation with experts.
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Trump has shown a wide range of pathological behavior over the past seven years or so," wrote DeVega. "He has an unhealthy fascination with violence. He lacks impulse control and empathy. He revels in cruelty. He compulsively lies and exhibits traits of malignant narcissism. He is a confirmed sexual predator and misogynist. He has a tenuous relationship to reality, and increasingly retreats into victimology and a persecution complex." Indeed, DeVega continued, Trump even considers himself "almost literally superhuman and often behaves like a cult leader."
Trump is blinded by 'impotent rage' that poses a grave threat to America: mental health expert (RawStory, Aug 18, 2023)
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Rather than mocking or deriding these rants, it is better to understand them as problematic and dangerous. This is classic projection: Trump is projecting his inner views and pathological sense of self-identity outward onto others."
Our collective malady: Donald Trump's mental health crisis is America's problem (Salon, Aug 18, 2023)
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I agree with all the above except for not 'mocking or deriding" his rants. We can both mock and deride them at the same time as recognizing them as "problematic and dangerous". He's a sick, sick man but he is also a complete POS.

ETA: from the last link in dann's post above, this fundraising message sent out by Trump:

I honestly believe that Joe Biden doesn't love America.

Right now, our once great country is falling apart. Inflation is ravaging our economy. Our border is in complete disarray. Our enemies are openly spying on us and getting away with it. And our justice system has been replaced by a weaponized legal system that criminalizes dissent.

We are a nation in decline.

If I were in the White House right now, I would dedicate every waking hour and every fiber of my being to fix this mess.

But what's Crooked Joe doing as America burns?

… Spending millions and millions of YOUR taxpayer dollars to wrongly indict, arrest, and possibly even JAIL his leading opponent.

The truth is: Crooked Joe doesn't care if our country burns to the ground. He only cares about his own power.

But I trust you know that I truly care about America. Nothing motivates me more than my endless love for our country.

Look, I didn't have to run for president. I didn't have to challenge the Deep State.

I'm not in this battle for fame or fortune. I'm in this battle to save our country and nothing else.
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So many idiots will believe this trash and send him money.
 
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Again...

I sincerely believe Donny's pudgy fingers did not write that screed. It's the work of either a lackey or one of his handlers (and by "handler" I mean like someone who wrangles wild and dangerous animals). Donny won't read more than headlines. He uses a sharpie to sign stuff...crudely. His off-the-cuff speech is just random blurtings. So for Donny to pen multiple constructed paragraphs on a consistent theme all by himself is beyond any reasonable belief. So someone else's pen, and possibly their thoughts, are in this mix.

I get the impression Donny is not the only insane narcissistic fascist in the room. And some of them can think straight...
 
Crooked Joe doesn't care if our country burns to the ground. He only cares about his own power.
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Jesus Christ but this ******* moron has no self irony at all.
 
Stacyhs said:
A Mother Jones interview with Dr. Bandy Lee from Oct. 2022:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ivil-war-bandy-lee-psychiatry-goldwater-rule/
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The vindication of Bandy Lee. ...
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and SG. :fg:

Though I and others here were vindicated long ago, that sentence just caught my eye.


Bandi Lee Twitter: 4 indictments, 91 charges, 2 impeachments, 1 act of sedition, and threatening civil war. 26 women alleging sexual assault. 1.13 million Americans dead from Covid. And he is the front runner of the Republican Party. This is why I call it a collective psychosis.


This was in The Atlantic this month:

The Goldwater Rule is explained. Then ...
But from the earliest moments of Donald Trump’s campaign, his behavior, falling far outside the boundaries of conventional candidate comportment, raised the question of whether he could be adequately assessed in purely political terms. Where did politics end and psychology—or psychopathology—begin? Thus the Trump years have inevitably given rise to the routine flouting of the Goldwater Rule, most notably in a collection of writings assembled by the former Yale psychiatrist Bandy Lee, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. (Lee subsequently got fired from Yale for publicly arguing that Alan Dershowitz was suffering from a “shared psychosis” with Trump.)
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The rest is a book review and author interview: Death Of The Great Man - A Novel; By Peter D. Kramer
 
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Norman Alexander said:
I sincerely believe Donny's pudgy fingers did not write that screed. It's the work of either a lackey or one of his handlers (and by "handler" I mean like someone who wrangles wild and dangerous animals).
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Whoever the handler may be, I'm pretty sure it's not Chelsea! :)
 
The Great Zaganza said:
In light of this, I question the wisdom of giving out One nuclear launch code to a president when he leaves office
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The nuclear launch code is changed the moment a president's administration ends. In Trump's case, since he was too much of a baby to attend Biden's inauguration, the launch codes were changed at noon. "Chief Justice John Roberts then administered Biden's oath of office at 11:47 a.m., with 13 minutes remaining in Trump's term."
 
Mojo said:
Doctors told Pelosi of concern for Trump’s mental health, ex-speaker says in book
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In early 2019, at a memorial service for a prominent psychiatrist, a succession of “doctors and other mental health professionals” told Nancy Pelosi they were “deeply concerned that there was something seriously wrong” with Donald Trump, “and that his mental and psychological health was in decline”.
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Water is wet, snow is cold, fire is hot..........

That is quite an interesting read. Scary as hell, but interesting.
 
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I wish she would have held this off until after the election. All of it is true, of course, but it gives a tinge of "people have told me he's a doodoo head" vibes.
 
plague311 said:
I wish she would have held this off until after the election. All of it is true, of course, but it gives a tinge of "people have told me he's a doodoo head" vibes.
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I see no reason for her to do so. Those who have eyes, ears, and more than two brain cells to rub together already know he's unhinged. His supporters don't believe it and wouldn't care even if they did. They LIKE unhinged.
 
Probably already posted (sorry) and most certainly redundant but I thought it was precise addressing Trump's mental illness diagnosis and why "Duty to warn" overrides the "Goldwater Rule."

20 minutes
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Probably already posted (sorry) and most certainly redundant but I thought it was precise addressing Trump's mental illness diagnosis and why "Duty to warn" overrides the "Goldwater Rule."

20 minutes
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Thanks for posting this. It is well worth listening to, especially Dr. Drew Weston's description of Trump's personality disorders.


The problem is that those who need to see this most likely won't see it. Perhaps this video deserves its own thread with an explicit invitation to our resident Trump supporters to view and comment on it.
 
jimbob said:
Trump's behaviour is highly abnormal. Concern trolling about the lack of a clinical interview is pretty moot. Especially for someone so heavily documented.
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Exactly. We've had that discussion already. Anyone claiming Trump can't be diagnosed without a personal interview is living in La La Land.
 
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Trump's behaviour is highly abnormal. Concern trolling about the lack of a clinical interview is pretty moot. Especially for someone so heavily documented.
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They don’t even have straws to grasp at this point.
 
I am wondering if this thread has any use now.

If a convicted felon can run for POTUS then obviously, somebody certified insane after a professional psychiatric evaluation would also be able to run. Trump could probably run for POTUS even if he was locked up in an asylum.
 
Considering that he is likely the worst president in U.S. history, and is still in the running, all these other factors seem superfluous in the face of that.
 
Agreed.
The NYT finally did a story about Trump's brain turning into mush today though, so it's a start, albeit a bit too late to have an impact.

I think there's an outside chance someone high up in the GOP might finally come to their senses if it can sink into their thick skulls that allowing a lunatic to be President might seriously compromise the security of the nation, and if they made that clear before the election it might sway a bunch of non-MAGA Republicans to think twice before voting.
 
stanfr said:
Agreed.
The NYT finally did a story about Trump's brain turning into mush today though, so it's a start, albeit a bit too late to have an impact.

I think there's an outside chance someone high up in the GOP might finally come to their senses if it can sink into their thick skulls that allowing a lunatic to be President might seriously compromise the security of the nation, and if they made that clear before the election it might sway a bunch of non-MAGA Republicans to think twice before voting.
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If it hasn't happened already it won't. Everyone who can admit that already has.
 
The only thing that might convince MAGA that Trump is psycho is for him to have a complete breakdown on camera claiming he's Jesus Christ returned to earth while wearing a robe, sandals, and a fake beard while waving a copy of Gone With the Wind and throwing fish at the crowd. And some of them still would vote for him.
 
Stacyhs said:
The only thing that might convince MAGA that Trump is psycho is for him to have a complete breakdown on camera claiming he's Jesus Christ returned to earth while wearing a robe, sandals, and a fake beard while waving a copy of Gone With the Wind and throwing fish at the crowd.
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Nah. Keep in mind, Trump's been telling them that Kamala and the Democrats HATE AMERICA and are TRYING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY by bringing AN INVASION by TENS OF MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS from JAILS AND MENTAL INSTITUTIONS OF COUNTRIES MOST PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD OF who GRAB YOUNG GIRLS AND SLICE THEM IN FRONT OF THEIR PARENTS. Meanwhile, Kamala will bring an economic crash worse than the great depression while getting us into WWIII.

Surely, they would think, even a confused, demented Trump would be better than that.

And some of them still would vote for him.
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Rather a lot, I suspect. I find this enormously frustrating.
 
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Stacyhs said:
The only thing that might convince MAGA that Trump is psycho is for him to have a complete breakdown on camera claiming he's Jesus Christ returned to earth while wearing a robe, sandals, and a fake beard while waving a copy of Gone With the Wind and throwing fish at the crowd. And some of them still would vote for him.
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They think he's Jesus as is. About the only thing that'll convince the MAGAts at this stage is a Berlin 1945 type situation happening to them.

And even then a sizable percentage will still be true believers.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
They think he's Jesus as is. About the only thing that'll convince the MAGAts at this stage is a Berlin 1945 type situation happening to them.

And even then a sizable percentage will still be true believers.
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They don't think he's Jesus, but they do think he's been sent by God. They compare him to Saul-Paul. You know, he's an adulterer, liar, grifter, criminal but that's OK because no one's perfect.
 
Stacyhs said:
They don't think he's Jesus, but they do think he's been sent by God. They compare him to Saul-Paul. You know, he's an adulterer, liar, grifter, criminal but that's OK because no one's perfect.
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King Cyrus is a popular comparison too. A nonbeliever used by God as a tool to benefit his actual followers.
 
Stacyhs said:
They don't think he's Jesus, but they do think he's been sent by God. They compare him to Saul-Paul. You know, he's an adulterer, liar, grifter, criminal but that's OK because no one's perfect.
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At this stage he's either Jesus or John Lennon in their eyes. I've seen a fair few reports of of even very far right preachers being run out of town by their own congregations for opposing the idea he was "sent by god" and Q-anon has replaced quite a lot of what used pass for theology on the chritian nationalist far right.

I'm trying to think of the SBC higher up that lost all of his power base after opposing the endorsements of T****y leading up to 2016 and support for him after it. And it's only gotten worse since.
 
I fear that in the rush to judgment on Trump's insanity people are being unfair to his stupidity, which is also vast. Please, people, let's always remember that Trump isn't just crazy, he is also very, very stupid. Credit where it is due.
 
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