Cont: Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness' say psychiatry experts at Yale... Pt 3

TurkeysGhost said:
Trump's partially coherent, aggrieved spiels are like 99% of appeal. Any indictment of Trump's personality is likewise an indictment of a sizable minority of the American public who find this kind of screed affirming of their values.

That is to say, the 2016 election is proof that Trump's derangement is not disqualifying.
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I believe he has gotten worse, and the indictments have pushed him over the edge.
 
Hercules56 said:
I believe he has gotten worse, and the indictments have pushed him over the edge.
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He's certainly becoming more embattled, which is more a reflection of his legal troubles and the changing political scene than any reflection of his mental health.

Promising to be vindictive should he ever be elected President again is exactly the message his supporters want to hear.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
He's certainly becoming more embattled, which is more a reflection of his legal troubles and the changing political scene than any reflection of his mental health.

Promising to be vindictive should he ever be elected President again is exactly the message his supporters want to hear.
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He's setting himself up for a rapid third impeachment, if he becomes President again.
 
Well, I guess this fits here then:

Trump Unironically Blames Biden for U.S. Women’s World Cup Loss

In an apparently unironic statement Sunday, former President Donald Trump appeared to blame his successor for the recent loss suffered by the U.S. women’s soccer team, saying their premature exit from the World Cup was “fully emblematic of what is happening to the our once great nation under Crooked Joe Biden.” “Many of our players were openly hostile to America - No other country behaved in such a manner, or even close. WOKE EQUALS FAILURE. Nice shot Megan, the USA is going to Hell!!!” Trump wrote on Truth Social, complete with an apparent reference to a penalty kick miss by star forward Megan Rapinoe.
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Hercules56 said:
I had argued in the recent past that Joe Biden seemed to no longer be in good mental and neurological shape, but Trump seemed to be ok. Clearly I was wrong. After reading some of Trump's posts on Truth Social, its clear Trump is no longer mentally fit to be President. I believe now that his mental status should disqualify him from the race. He seems dangerously deranged, irrational, delusional and people like this should not have control of an arsenal of nuclear weapons.
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Well, welcome to the choir. There's already a giant multi-part thread about Trump's mental fitness, but to tl;dr it for you, compos mentis isn't a requirement for office because it didn't occur to some dead guys in wigs that people would actually vote for a crazy person, and it won't impact his supporters because it's the crazy they're voting for.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Well, welcome to the choir. There's already a giant multi-part thread about Trump's mental fitness, but to tl;dr it for you, compos mentis isn't a requirement for office because it didn't occur to some dead guys in wigs that people would actually vote for a crazy person, and it won't impact his supporters because it's the crazy they're voting for.
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I guess it will be up to the Super PACs to run commercials focusing on this issue.
 
shemp said:
Well, I guess this fits here then:

Trump Unironically Blames Biden for U.S. Women’s World Cup Loss

In an apparently unironic statement Sunday, former President Donald Trump appeared to blame his successor for the recent loss suffered by the U.S. women’s soccer team, saying their premature exit from the World Cup was “fully emblematic of what is happening to the our once great nation under Crooked Joe Biden.” “Many of our players were openly hostile to America - No other country behaved in such a manner, or even close. WOKE EQUALS FAILURE. Nice shot Megan, the USA is going to Hell!!!” Trump wrote on Truth Social, complete with an apparent reference to a penalty kick miss by star forward Megan Rapinoe.
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There's nothing so encouraging like having the full support of your next president behind you. I'm sure the whole team took comfort in his warm words. :sarcasm:

What an absolute ******* prick.

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Hercules56 said:
I guess it will be up to the Super PACs to run commercials focusing on this issue.
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I'm no political messaging expert, but I kinda get the feeling that "our elite mental health professionals have decided that your hero figure is disqualified from public office" is not going to be a winning anti-Trump message.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
I'm no political messaging expert, but I kinda get the feeling that "our elite mental health professionals have decided that your hero figure is disqualified from public office" is not going to be a winning anti-Trump message.
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Repeatedly reminding the public of his hateful, crazy, unhinged posts on Truth Social could only hurt his campaign chances.
 
Hercules56 said:
Repeatedly reminding the public of his hateful, crazy, unhinged posts on Truth Social could only hurt his campaign chances.
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Sure, just close your eyes and wait for norms and a sense of decency to matter again in American politics. Surely this time it will be different. :rolleyes:
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Sure, just close your eyes and wait for norms and a sense of decency to matter again in American politics. Surely this time it will be different. :rolleyes:
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Reminding Dems and Independents and Moderate GOPers of how crazy Trump is, may galvanize just enough folks on the fence to get off the couch and vote.

This is all I am trying to accomplish. Do you think I should just give up, assume Trump will win and go cry in a corner?
 
Hercules56 said:
This is all I am trying to accomplish. Do you think I should just give up, assume Trump will win and go cry in a corner?
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I'm not suggesting that Trump is on the victory path, I'm merely suggesting that Trump being openly hostile to a political establishment that is widely hated in this country isn't a liability. I think Trump winning is the less likely outcome, but for other reasons mostly unrelated to his sneering attitude.

There are probably better avenues of attack than pointing out that Trump is rude to DC ghouls that the public generally also hates. If anything, painting him as the antithesis of the much hated status quo in this country is doing him a favor. I think even the most out-of-touch Dem party operatives have learned the lesson that their elitist attitudes does not earn them any love.
 
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TurkeysGhost said:
I'm not suggesting that Trump is on the victory path, I'm merely suggesting that Trump being openly hostile to a political establishment that is widely hated in this country isn't a liability. I think Trump winning is the less likely outcome, but for other reasons mostly unrelated to his sneering attitude.

There are probably better avenues of attack than pointing out that Trump is rude to DC ghouls that the public generally also hates. If anything, painting him as the antithesis of the much hated status quo in this country is doing him a favor. I think even the most out-of-touch Dem party operatives have learned the lesson that their elitist attitudes does not earn them any love.
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I disagree that repeated portrayals of Trumps as unhinged and mentally unfit, actually helps his chances of winning. I guess you and I have different views of the American people. But again I am looking to convince the on the fence folks who don't love Biden and are not thrilled by the last 4 years.
 
Hercules56 said:
I guess it will be up to the Super PACs to run commercials focusing on this issue.
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The despair of leaving the fate of democracy up to the whims of corporate dark money aside,

Hercules56 said:
Repeatedly reminding the public of his hateful, crazy, unhinged posts on Truth Social could only hurt his campaign chances.
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No, it couldn't. They want that. They WANT it. That's the appeal. No one votes for Trump for their nuanced views on foreign policy.

Hercules56 said:
I disagree that repeated portrayals of Trumps as unhinged and mentally unfit, actually helps his chances of winning. I guess you and I have different views of the American people. But again I am looking to convince the on the fence folks who don't love Biden and are not thrilled by the last 4 years.
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Anybody who honestly thinks that Biden has been too proactive but might still be swayed by arguing that Trump isn't mentally competent is drinking the Fox kool-aid so deeply nothing you say is going to reach them anyway. We're well past the "open your damn eyes" argument at this point in the political discussion. They do not see because they do not want to.
 
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Beelzebuddy said:
No, it couldn't. They want that. They WANT it. That's the appeal. No one votes for Trump for their nuanced views on foreign policy.
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I really don't get how this isn't widely understood at this point. "Burn it all down" is a pretty easy to understand response for those that feel the entire casino is rigged against them. Trump was an ideal candidate for that.

If anything, the best argument against Trump is that he really wasn't belligerent in office, he was too distracted with his own petty and unimaginative corruption schemes to actually deliver on his promise to punch the much hated elites directly on the nose. President Trump turned out to be far less the firebrand than Candidate Trump promised, and outside of being personally objectionable and generally upsetting, he didn't really do much to torch the whole system when he had the chance.

I suspect this whole Jan6 indictment will show that Trump never really approached the job with any planned, rigorous thinking, but was rather flying by the seat of his pants and always reacting to events, rather than directing them. He did next to nothing to make sure his coup plot would actually be successful, which is why Jan6 turned out to be such a damp squib.
 
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"If they were even slightly less incompetent, they would be terrifying" is a good description of the Trump administration as a whole.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
The despair of leaving the fate of democracy up to the whims of corporate dark money aside,


No, it couldn't. They want that. They WANT it. That's the appeal. No one votes for Trump for their nuanced views on foreign policy.


Anybody who honestly thinks that Biden has been too proactive but might still be swayed by arguing that Trump isn't mentally competent is drinking the Fox kool-aid so deeply nothing you say is going to reach them anyway. We're well past the "open your damn eyes" argument at this point in the political discussion. They do not see because they do not want to.
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Again, I'm talking about Dems, Independents, and Moderate GOPers who may be on the fence about voting for Biden, or even voting at all.

The last 4 years have not been amazing for Biden.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
"If they were even slightly less incompetent, they would be terrifying" is a good description of the Trump administration as a whole.
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I am very much worried about what the right is going to look like after Trump dies or otherwise exits the political scene, because figures like DeSantis show just how terrible a slightly more competent and focused American fascist party would look like.

He made the seemingly unforced error of trying to challenge Trump rather than biding his time, but outside that I don't see anything stopping DeSantis and the more bloodthirsty types like him from ascending to the top of the right wing political machine in the very near future.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
I am very much worried about what the right is going to look like after Trump dies or otherwise exits the political scene, because figures like DeSantis show just how terrible a slightly more competent and focused American fascist party would look like.

He made the seemingly unforced error of trying to challenge Trump rather than biding his time, but outside that I don't see anything stopping DeSantis and the more bloodthirsty types like him from ascending to the top of the right wing political machine in the very near future.
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Your overarching point is valid, but I’m not sure DeSantis is the best example to use. He’s proven to be a spectacularly inept politician on many levels. He represents the one thing that will hold back a competent American fascist party: None of them appear to be particularly competent.
 
johnny karate said:
Your overarching point is valid, but I’m not sure DeSantis is the best example to use. He’s proven to be a spectacularly inept politician on many levels. He represents the one thing that will hold back a competent American fascist party: None of them appear to be particularly competent.
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Trump's advanced age at becoming the de-facto Fuhrer of the American fascist movement is an interesting historical accident, and even under their best case scenarios the MAGA movement will sooner or (not too much) later become leaderless and go through a surely nasty internal fight.

Fascist groups often seem to suffer from "crabs in a bucket" type squabbling among their ranks, which makes sense considering their ideology is totally hollow beyond cult of personality and personal ambition. I'm curious to see what happens should Trump lose to Biden a second time, but my suspicion is that the MAGA movement won't ever ditch Trump unless he dies or totally retires.
 
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Hercules56 said:
He's lost his mind. He's blaming our soccer failure on the fact that Rapinoe is a lesbian?
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No, it's more they are celebrating that someone they don't like suffered a personal failure.

It really burned their ass that Rapinoe was such a star athlete while also being openly critical of the US generally and Trump specifically, but they had limited ways to respond because she was largely untouchable due to her uncontestable skill.

hard to see this having much sting though. Every athlete is accustomed to the periodic taste of failure, it's the nature of elite competition.
 
Hercules56 said:
Again, I'm talking about Dems, Independents, and Moderate GOPers who may be on the fence about voting for Biden, or even voting at all.

The last 4 years have not been amazing for Biden.
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Fair enough, moderate GOPers leaving the fold is fine, they may not have been exposed to the reality of Trump's mental fitness. But you don't need to worry about moderate Dems and Independents. Either they already know and actively approve of targeting a path halfway between democracy and fascism, or they're so self-absorbed or clueless you're not going to reach them using the avenues that failed to reach them so far. Either way they're not the demographics most amenable to influence.

The people who are at risk of not turning out for Biden will be due to disaffection, not ignorance of the alternatives. I argue that the 2022 midterms were a measurement of the full power of anti-Trump argument. Dems campaigned on nothing else. They reached everyone they could, rolled the electoral dice, and came up with a stalemate. If Dems are to win they need to do more than point at how insane the alternative is, they need to show how they will be better. Too much of the Democratic party still pines for the status quo of yore, as if clicking their heels and sticking their heads in the sand will make it all go away, and they don't seem to realize how presenting it as the party of **** you vs the party of oh well does not exactly inspire voter confidence.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
No, it's more they are celebrating that someone they don't like suffered a personal failure.

It really burned their ass that Rapinoe was such a star athlete while also being openly critical of the US generally and Trump specifically, but they had limited ways to respond because she was largely untouchable due to her uncontestable skill.

hard to see this having much sting though. Every athlete is accustomed to the periodic taste of failure, it's the nature of elite competition.
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Hopefully someone is responding to Trump's post with "well at least SHE knows how to handle a loss like an adult!!!!!"
 
Trump isn't mentally fit to be the banker at a Monopoly game.

But that was true when he was elected the first time as well.
 
When Trump was running in 2016, and he encouraged supporters to beat legal, non-violent protesters (and some did just that), it was blatantly obvious he wasn't within shouting distance of the mentality fit to be POTUS.
 
He is mentally unfit to be president or have anyother sort of authority. The issues isn't due to cognitive ability though. Its his shear childishness and narcissism.

He's the only person to run for or old the office in my life were even if I agreed with every policy position he held*, I'd still probably not vote for him.

*Which is basically impossible because with rare exception, he has about the same attitude policy as he does to the truth. It just doesn't matter to him.
 
i don't think trump really even has too many policy positions, a lot of it is completely unimportant to him
 
That's not the point.
We already have a long running thread on his mental state and one on his being president in addition to the several on his legal problems.
 
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Nope. He very unfit.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Nobody is.

what makes a good President is being able to attract, keep, and listen to a good team of people who work together.

On that front, Trump is probably the worst President in US history.
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"The president’s job - and if someone sufficiently vain and stupid is picked he won’t realise this - is not to wield power, but to draw attention away from it." - Douglas Adams, The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Fit the Ninth.
 
Trump's inappropriateness and inability to be any sort of competent business leader, let alone hold a national political position, has been well known since the 1980's - 40 years ago! The good burghers of NYC have long held him to be partially if not completely dangerously insane, and refused to do business with him for the most part. Nothing has changed for the better since then.
 
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