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knot said:
Ever since 9/11 I have come to the realization that most people are really stupid. I mean that in the nicest way.

At least I turned a tragedy into a learning experience.
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Actually I have to totally agree with you there.

-Gumboot
 
XXX said:
"His shot begins approximately one second into the collapse....From 12 seconds until the debris begins hitting the ground, Christian's camera and tape continue to glitch, even though there is no major vibration until the debris hits the ground, as confirmed by the Lamont Doherty seismic observations."

So if it starts a second in, and debris start hitting the ground after 12 seconds in, does that mean that the whole "free fall in 10 seconds" thing is done?
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"no major vibration"? What about the jarring shaking of the guy RUNNING?

edit: And someone without an IP ban, screenshot Dylan's OP quick! XXX has discovered a wonderfully quotable contradiction.
 
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All this BS by Dylan is just a sure sign that LC WILL NEVER HIT THEATERS!I wonder if he can preach the troother rhetoric at the same time he is asking people "would you like to super size that?"
 
so then no insight just insults?
As far as I can see Avery is looking for truth,
you lot are blindly defending a lie.
Please address his points rather than just making insults otherwise you are conceding by proxy.
 
This thread has been nothing but insults thinly veiled as facts.
As they say in latin "Res ipsa loquitur" and by those rules you lose.
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jackchit said:
This thread has been nothing but insults thinly veiled as facts.
As they say in latin "Res ipsa loquitur" and by those rules you lose.
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Avery's point has been addressed. The camera is shaking due to the operator moving it around.

Avery's interpretation of this video is totally wrong. And yes, his own interpretation directly contradicts all "free-fall" claims.

-Gumboot
 
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gumboot said:
Avery's point has been addressed. The camera is shaking due to the operator moving it around.

Avery's interpretation of this video is totally wrong. And yes, his own interpretation directly contradicts all "free-fall" claims.

-Gumboot
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????? wrong post dude, camera shaking? re-read and get back to me.
 
jackchit said:
????? wrong post dude, camera shaking? re-read and get back to me.
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You appear to be confused as to which thread you posted this in. Perhaps if you spent more time reading the replies to your posts, and less time trying to score points and "pwn" people you'd have realized that.
 
jackchit said:
so then no insight just insults?
As far as I can see Avery is looking for truth,
you lot are blindly defending a lie.
Please address his points rather than just making insults otherwise you are conceding by proxy.
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jackchit said:
This thread has been nothing but insults thinly veiled as facts.
As they say in latin "Res ipsa loquitur" and by those rules you lose.
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Personal attack removed.
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You clearly have no idea what "res ipsa loquitur" and "by proxy" mean.
 
Apparently not paying attention to a damn thing at all is how jackchit preaches the Truth...

His post was like walking into a Blockbuster Video store and asking the clerk to give him a pound of sliced ham...
 
Jackchit, the fact he is now posting this as some new conclusion directly contradicts the the free fall arguement peddled by many of your associates who in turn got that little gem from dylan himself.

You dont find this glaring mistake an issue at all?

Care to explain?
 
Dylan Avery said:
At 9 seconds into this video, a squib appears.
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Sorry dylan, can you tell me what a squib is again? (What it actually is, not what you think it is)

At 10 seconds his camera shakes violently and the tape loses tracking for a second.
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Because it should be perfectly still in such a situation I guess. No wait, the only way it could possibly move is due to an explosion! A bomb!

At 11 seconds you can clearly see what appears to be glass blowing out of a row of 10 floors, immediately after Christian's camera shakes, and well below the demolition wave. This debris was NOT airborne until Christian's camera shook.
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Can you tell me why the 'demolition' does not start occuring at these floors 'well below the demolition wave'...

At 12 seconds you can notice the smoke billowing from the base.
From 12 seconds until the debris begins hitting the ground, Christian's camera and tape continue to glitch, even though there is no major vibration until the debris hits the ground, as confirmed by the Lamont Doherty seismic observations. Therefore, there should not have been any significant tremors before any of the debris struck the ground.
I would assume at 25 seconds is when he's thrown into a car across the street.
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Wait let me get this right....People can you tell me what he is saying?
The seismic records used previously as proof of demolition dont actually show what dylan and company expect. But in some roundabout way the bombs are now not detectable and the absence of expected seismic data now proves the demolition because the camera shakes?

The tape loss at 25 seconds was on the original, and I assure you I did not put it there.
He re-iterates..."I was blown into a car, and then crawled under a car."
I posted the entire 3 minute segment so I could not be accused of taking anything out of context.
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uh huh

So...can steel bending and creaking and a gravity-driven pancake collapse account for what we see in this video?
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for the initial collapse - yes.

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hellaeon said:
Sorry dylan, can you tell me what a squib is again? (What it actually is, not what you think it is)



Because it should be perfectly still in such a situation I guess. No wait, the only way it could possibly move is due to an explosion! A bomb!



Can you tell me why the 'demolition' does not start occuring at these floors 'well below the demolition wave'...



Wait let me get this right....People can you tell me what he is saying?
The seismic records used previously as proof of demolition dont actually show what dylan and company expect. But in some roundabout way the bombs are now not detectable and the absence of expected seismic data now proves the demolition because the camera shakes?



uh huh



for the initial collapse - yes.

next...
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There you go now that wasn't too hard was it. Well done to this poster.
Maybe this is a new start, the jref forum without insults...downside? posts down by 90%
 
jackchit said:
Maybe this is a new start, the jref forum without insults...downside? posts down by 90%
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Maybe a new start, the LCF boards without mindless idiotic speculation that insults and degrades an event in which 3000 people lost their lives... downside? A bunch of middle-class suburban teens have to get jobs, by 100%.
 
jackchit said:
There you go now that wasn't too hard was it. Well done to this poster.
Maybe this is a new start, the jref forum without insults...downside? posts down by 90%
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Jack, you have made an online career out of insults and defamation of character, and yet you think people are going to listen to you chastise others and not laugh at you?

You "truthers" are experts in incongruity, but not much else. LCF is a shining example.
 
jackchit said:
This thread has been nothing but insults thinly veiled as facts.
As they say in latin "Res ipsa loquitur" and by those rules you lose.
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Personal attack removed.
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jackchit said:
There you go now that wasn't too hard was it. Well done to this poster.
Maybe this is a new start, the jref forum without insults...downside? posts down by 90%
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LashL said:
Oh, and miragememories pipes in with this gem:
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<snip>Frames 417-458 are really interesting.

You can see WTC2 steadily dropping with part of the perimeter wall lagging a bit behind.

The really interesting part is that as the bulk of the tower drops lower in frame, all that can been seen of the major core area is a white glow.

The core has already disappeared!
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This should be good :rolleyes:
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To answer MerryMelodies. Take a look again. Your ''glow" is the sunlight reflecting off the descending debris cloud behind the falling perimeter column segment. Now if you left your basement once in awhile and experienced sunlight. This might have occurred to you.
 
jackchit said:
There you go now that wasn't too hard was it. Well done to this poster.
Maybe this is a new start, the jref forum without insults...downside? posts down by 90%
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Jackchit, though my post was full of sarcasm, it was hard not to be offensive but its the manner in which the forum should operate.

Now, apart from the glaring irony of you posting such a comment as above, lets just get back to the table.

I would like to know what you think of this major contradiction from avery. Do you value his work less? For me, if I am understanding this correctly, he has performed the ultimate Orwellian ministry of truth move by now dismissing key points of the conspiracy he made (seismic data, free fall) in one single post. I dont think he even realises it. Thoughts?
 
Can someone screen-cap that for me right quick? Proxy sites are blocked on this computer and I have a feeling that thread's gonna disappear right quick...
 
I've got a video also. Here's a video from NYPD with audio 21 minutes before the collapse. "The remaining tower, the north tower is leaning to the southwest at this time" "It appears to be buckling in the southwest corner."

Start the video at about 4:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAy9oe1snbU&mode=related&search=

What's really funny is what David Griffin said
1. Sudden Onset of Collapse - In building collapses where fire had been considered to be a major contributing factor, ( Again, prior to 9-11, there is no evidence of ANY steel frame structure EVER collapsing due to fire ) the onset of the collapse was gradual, and evidence of bending, sagging, and tell tale sounds,.....no such evidence was detectable before the destruction of the WTC towers.

Didn't I hear Griffin is also fact checking the new LC movie. LOL!!!
 
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I would assume at 25 seconds is when he's thrown into a car across the street
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But the witness never states that he was thrown accross the street, Dylan makes that up himself..

I took his statement to mean he was thrown against a car, one that he was next to at the time.
 
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