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Cont: Criminal Charges/convictions Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part IV

Breaking news... Judge Merchan orders Trump to be sentenced on January 10th...

"To vacate this verdict on the grounds that the charges are insufficiently serious given the position Defendant once held, and is about to assume again, would constitute a disproportionate result and cause immeasurable damage to the citizenry's confidence in the Rule of Law," the judge added.

Too late. The handling of Trump's cases, aside from the sexual assault civil case, and especially the behavior of the SC and Aileen Cannon have more than damaged my confidence in the Rule of Law.
 
The SC has denied Trump's appeal to have his conviction for the hush money case thrown out.
Let the sentencing begin!
 
Merchan says he is not inclined to a custodial sentence, but something more like a legal wrist-smack. Of course, Donny would then claim he "won" because he was not in jail. Nope.

I would suggest that Merchan sentence him to 48 months in the slammer with no parole possible. He can have permission to leave custody for 12 hours, under constant guard, to attend his own inauguration. That seems to be important to him.
 
The BBC radio 3 news bulletin just said Trump was expected to receive an unconditional discharge.

WTF?
I mean not good, but even if there had been any realistic prospect of jailtime do you honestly think it would a difference? His minions would twist US laws in to a pretzel to let him carry serving, its not like he wore a tan suit or ate Dijon mustard or other such unforgiveable offences.
 
CNN:
Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass says they are recommending a sentence of unconditional discharge.

“Your honor indicated an inclination to impose an unconditional discharge under all the circumstances of this case, this unique posture and the defendant’s status as president elect, the people recommend a sentence of unconditional discharge,” he said.
 
An unconditional discharge? That's not enough! The prosecution and judge should apologize to the king for the insult of attempting to imaging they might possibly hold him accountable for anything ever!
 
The BBC radio 3 news bulletin just said Trump was expected to receive an unconditional discharge.

WTF?
What do you mean, WTF? We know the US justice system is tiered and designed to protect the wealthy upper class. Surely if we're doing abbreviations, SNAFU is more appropriate.

An unconditional discharge? That's not enough! The prosecution and judge should apologize to the king for the insult of attempting to imaging they might possibly hold him accountable for anything ever!
Surely he should have had someone shot. That's how they do it in proper, respectable dictatorships, like the USSR.
 
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The BBC radio 3 news bulletin just said Trump was expected to receive an unconditional discharge.

WTF?
yes, and he appealed to the Supreme Court and called Alito directly so that he wouldn't get any sentence at all - which the SC rejected.

The punishment for stealing and leaking Top Secret Documents, then corruptly sabotage the investigation, is that you have to sit in front of a Judge who will tell you that you are free to go.

I wonder what lesson trump and his cronies will learn from this.
 
yes, and he appealed to the Supreme Court and called Alito directly so that he wouldn't get any sentence at all - which the SC rejected.

The punishment for stealing and leaking Top Secret Documents, then corruptly sabotage the investigation, is that you have to sit in front of a Judge who will tell you that you are free to go.

I wonder what lesson trump and his cronies will learn from this.
To get rid of the Supreme Court, obviously.
 
To be fair, Merchan was in a tough position, for both political and legal reasons his hands were tied. Humiliation is the worst possible punishment for Trump, and even though I am sure he has repressed all of that for the moment, one can only hope that after he self destructs completely (and that is only a question of when, not if) this will be one of many humiliations he has to suffer on his way out.
 
The SC has denied Trump's appeal to have his conviction for the hush money case thrown out.
Let the sentencing begin!

Apparently the only reason the case got tossed, was due to Merchan explicitly having ruled out jail time. Otherwise they would have been happy to intervene.
 
His sentence, while hugely disappointing, at least confirms him as a felon which will remain on his record.
Congrats, MAGA and the rest of the morons who voted for him! You've made a convicted felon POTUS. So proud.
 
And the founding fathers rolling over in their graves at a convicted felon becoming POTUS.
The reason they did not put in a prohibition on it is because they neve thought it could happen.
 
To be sure, Trump still has the right to appeal his conviction, including on grounds that he was improperly sentenced for it as President-elect. But the conviction is now perfected by the entry of a sentence. So all the people reminding us that technically the label "convicted felon" has been premature are effectively silenced.

FWIW, my state's election law (Utah) allows the party of the winning candidate to change who its electors may vote for following the felony conviction of the candidate.
 
To be sure, Trump still has the right to appeal his conviction, including on grounds that he was improperly sentenced for it as President-elect. But the conviction is now perfected by the entry of a sentence. So all the people reminding us that technically the label "convicted felon" has been premature are effectively silenced.

FWIW, my state's election law (Utah) allows the party of the winning candidate to change who its electors may vote for following the felony conviction of the candidate.
There is no such thing as President Elect immunity. SCOTUS will be making that up. And I tend to believe that SCOTUS is going to keep a bit of a leash on Trump. They want some of his policies, but they can't be a rubber stamp. That would diminish their own power.
 
You know, I bet the POSOTUS-Elect is beaming right now, because the reporting is mostly on the horrifying fires in California instead of his conviction sentencing.
 
His sentence, while hugely disappointing, at least confirms him as a felon which will remain on his record.
Congrats, MAGA and the rest of the morons who voted for him! You've made a convicted felon POTUS. So proud.
At least he isn’t an n-word or a chick, so they’re good.
 
To be fair, Merchan was in a tough position, for both political and legal reasons his hands were tied. Humiliation is the worst possible punishment for Trump, and even though I am sure he has repressed all of that for the moment, one can only hope that after he self destructs completely (and that is only a question of when, not if) this will be one of many humiliations he has to suffer on his way out.
Humiliations galore! /Inigo Montoya
 
Question for our legal eagles: Can the NY state prosecution appeal Trump's sentence? Can they argue that it is too light, that Trump got off effectively blemish-free? If they can appeal, how long is that window of appeal open for? For example, can they appeal the sentence sometime in 2028, with the intention of Trump facing a more severe sentence once his presidency ends?
 
Question for our legal eagles: Can the NY state prosecution appeal Trump's sentence? Can they argue that it is too light, that Trump got off effectively blemish-free? If they can appeal, how long is that window of appeal open for? For example, can they appeal the sentence sometime in 2028, with the intention of Trump facing a more severe sentence once his presidency ends?
They could appeal, but they won't because they did not object to the sentence (and that in itself would probably preclude them from appealing). The more interesting case would be the federal case that was dismissed without prejudice, which could ostensibly be refiled once trump leaves office.
 
They could appeal, but they won't because they did not object to the sentence (and that in itself would probably preclude them from appealing).
Not only did the prosecutor not object to the sentence, he agreed to it in his closing statement before it was even pronounced.
 
The more interesting case would be the federal case that was dismissed without prejudice, which could ostensibly be refiled once trump leaves office.
Indeed. It seems everything has just been packed up in a box labelled "Do Not Open Until Christmas 2028" and put on a shelf. It's all there, effectively in abeyance.
 
Indeed. It seems everything has just been packed up in a box labelled "Do Not Open Until Christmas 2028" and put on a shelf. It's all there, effectively in abeyance.
I would argue 2026, after the GOP is obliterated in the midterms and Impeachment proceedings begin...
 
I would argue 2026, after the GOP is obliterated in the midterms and Impeachment proceedings begin...
No, 2028. Because, in 2029, he no longer has a SCOTUS Presidential Get Out Of Jail card.

Unless Donny has managed to wangle a way to stay president for life by then. I'm sure they are working on that.
 
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