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Cont: Criminal Charges/convictions Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part IV

Be it so anyhow

Question: Will they use a split screen so that both Biden and Assolini are visible at all times?

If so (oh please, God! hear an atheist's prayer!), will somebody be on hand to keep DJT reminded not to blather soundlessy, or claw at the glass, or pull out a ketchup sachet and try to paint with it?

Damn but there's some great material going to waste here!

Whoops, wrong thread.
 
NJ Does Not Renew Trump's Liquor Licenses At 2 Golf Clubs After Felony Conviction

NEW JERSEY — The New Jersey Attorney General has decided on Friday not to renew two liquor licenses at former President Donald Trump's New Jersey golf clubs following his conviction on all 34 felony counts in his criminal hush money trial.

"The New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) has an obligation to maintain integrity in the alcoholic beverage industry in the state," said a spokesperson with the New Jersey Attorney General(NJAG).

The division did not renew two Golf Club Facility licenses associated with Trump. However, the ABC entered "Miscellaneous Ad Interim Permits," which allow the facilities to continue serving alcohol until a hearing on the renewals is held.
 
Manhattan prosecutors agreed with Donald Trump’s request to postpone his criminal sentencing. The former president's lawyers want to argue that the Supreme Court's decision on presidential immunity should void his conviction for covering up hush money. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/nyregion/trump-sentencing-hush-money-trial.html

I view this as the judge just making sure the conviction is appeal proof. Trump wasn't POTUS, it can't be covered under that blanket. Easier to get it out of the way now so the appeals courts don't have to spend time on it later.
 
Because no one believes for a second that the ruling is in any way legally or chronologically consistent and not just a get out of jail card for Trump specifically.
 
This makes no sense to me at all. He was convicted for acts committed before he was president. How in the world could presidential immunity apply?

Although the acts charged occurred before Trump took office, some of the evidence presented at trial dated from Trump's first term, such as meetings in the Oval Office and social media posts dealing with the aftermath of the events. Under the Supreme Court's ruling, that evidence is inadmissible if it arises from an official act. Since the objection was raised at the appropriate time in the trial and has not been finally disposed of, it remains a live issue.
 
Although the acts charged occurred before Trump took office, some of the evidence presented at trial dated from Trump's first term, such as meetings in the Oval Office and social media posts dealing with the aftermath of the events. Under the Supreme Court's ruling, that evidence is inadmissible if it arises from an official act. Since the objection was raised at the appropriate time in the trial and has not been finally disposed of, it remains a live issue.

I know a lot of you think I'm a Cassandra when I say things like President Trump will escape any consequences but things like this make me think that if anything, I'm too optimistic. :o :(

It seems to me that all evidence relating to his time in office, testimony from staffers and so on will now be excluded and the verdicts overturned. :mad:

Republican Presidents are now immune from prosecution. Democratic Presidents are not because SCOTUS will find that their acts were not part of their official duties.

Also.... Any future Supreme Court justices will have to be right wing because the GOP will simply block the appointment of anyone else.
 
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It seems to me that all evidence relating to his time in office, testimony from staffers and so on will now be excluded and the verdicts overturned. :mad:

Maybe, maybe not. The operative section in the opinion is section III-C. I've now spoken to three attorneys with federal trial experience who have read this section and can't make head or tail out of it. I certainly can't. Apparently this new minefield of admissibility really has no long-term value. No court has tested it. No attorneys understand it yet. The dissenting Justices are skeptical of it. It appears specifically tailored to retrospectively torpedo Donald Trump's convictions and pending charges, or at least mire them down.
 
Trump was scheduled to be sentenced on July 11. Judge Juan Merchan said the former president will now be sentenced on September 18, “if such is still necessary.”
Sept 18 is my birthday, but I fear I won't be getting the birthday present I'd like. I think he's gonna skate on anything, and his second term will be a **** show of epic proportion.
 
Trump sentencing in hush money case is postponed until September after Supreme Court immunity ruling.

I’ve referenced before this cartoon for the feeling I get whenever Trump manages to escape consequences:

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Now, I think the cartoon would be more accurate if it had Lucy just pulling a gun and shooting Charlie Brown before he could kick the football. And pleading “Cartoon Immunity”.
 
I view this as the judge just making sure the conviction is appeal proof. Trump wasn't POTUS, it can't be covered under that blanket. Easier to get it out of the way now so the appeals courts don't have to spend time on it later.
According to Ken White the problem is some of the evidence was referring to when Trump was President, even though the crime was done before then. So maybe a retrial at least.
 
According to Ken White the problem is some of the evidence was referring to when Trump was President, even though the crime was done before then. So maybe a retrial at least.

Which is possible, but I would say it all boils back to the illegal act. Which took place when he was a candidate. Communicating about breaking the law after you've become president isn't an official act.

Obviously that's just like, my opinion man, but I don't see this changing much of anything.
 
i think the sc put themselves in a good position on it. kick it back to the lower court, convictions upheld and trump appeals. if he wins the election, official acts. if he loses, unofficial acts.
 
Ok, some people are cynical about Trump never actually being sentenced to jail, despite the fact that he is now officially a felon. (Its a valid concern). But, it looks like there is some fallout to his conviction...

From: AP News
New Jersey’s attorney general’s office is looking into whether Donald Trump’s recent felony convictions in New York make him ineligible to hold liquor licenses at his three New Jersey golf courses.... State law prohibits anyone from holding a liquor licenses who has been convicted of a crime “involving moral turpitude.”

Ok, its a minor thing, and its possible nothing will come of it. But things like this are probably bugging the heck out of the Trump Klan. (And if he loses his license? Well, that's probably going to affect the profitability of his properties, since I am sure users of the golf courses probably like the idea of drinking after a game.)
What do you know? It seems like something might actually come of this after all...

From: The Hill
The liquor licenses for two of former President Trump’s golf courses in New Jersey have not been renewed as state officials probe whether his conviction in his hush money case affects the holding of those licenses....The licenses expired Sunday, but the two golf clubs were issued interim permits to serve alcohol until a hearing is held...The spokesperson noted that the burden of proof remains with the applicant to show that they meet the requirements for the license.

I'm surprised. I assumed this was just a formality and Trump would still be allowed to sell alcohol. But this might actually go somewhere.
 
Trump's not going to be too happy about this:

US Supreme Court declines to halt Trump's sentencing in hush money case

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday rejected a bid by the state of Missouri to halt Donald Trump's upcoming sentencing for his conviction in New York on felony charges involving hush money paid to a porn star and left a related gag order until after the Nov. 5 presidential election.


Somehow, I'm not surprised by the highlighted:
The decision by the justices came in response to Missouri's lawsuit claiming that the case against Trump infringed on the right of voters under the U.S. Constitution to hear from the Republican presidential nominee as he seeks to regain the White House.

The Supreme Court's order was unsigned. Conservative Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito indicated they would have taken up Missouri's case but added that they "would not grant other relief."
 
Somehow, I'm not surprised by the highlighted:

Me neither, but not for the typically nefarious reasons. Those two subscribe to the notion that the Supreme Court is required to hear all cases over which it has original jurisdiction. Granted there may be an ulterior motive here, but the ostensible reason is defensible.
 
It seems from here that Thomas and Alito's reticence is indeed purely personal. They are already in a glaring public spotlight over their graft and corruption, and pro-Trump biases. So they figured this is yet another pro-Trump opportunity they can afford to bypass. Perhaps Donny didn't come up with a big enough bribe?
 
It seems from here that Thomas and Alito's reticence is indeed purely personal. They are already in a glaring public spotlight over their graft and corruption, and pro-Trump biases. So they figured this is yet another pro-Trump opportunity they can afford to bypass. Perhaps Donny didn't come up with a big enough bribe?

It would be easier if those two whores would just post their rates on line.
 
Candidates for office get special treatment by the courts. I should run for every two-bit dog-catcher office I can afford.
 
September 18th is my birthday and I was so hoping for Merchan to give me a nice gift.

So much for hope.
 
I'm really hoping that with his recent comments E. Jean Carroll takes him to court again, and his fine is doubled. He repeated exactly what he said the first time. Absolute grounds for defamation again.
 

I know, I know "he'll never face any justice at all". I get it.

That being said, I will absolutely laugh my ass off if\when he loses the judge gives him prison time as a consolation prize.

"Well Mr. Trump, since you don't have anything else going on we've saved a cozy spot for you..."

I know he won't get time for this crime, but it would still be funny.
 
Trump said:
They have a picture from, they say, about 40 years ago, a picture,” Trump said. “And the picture depicts her and her husband on a celebrity line where I was the celebrity. I was — been a celebrity for a long time. And they were shaking my hands along with hundreds of other people. Nobody even knows where it is.

A little freudian slip by Trump there? Even he has to know he's not a celebrity.
 
I was pretty much expecting this to happen.
As much as I hate Trump, I can see the Judge not wanting his decision to be seen as motivated by politics.
 
I was pretty much expecting this to happen.
As much as I hate Trump, I can see the Judge not wanting his decision to be seen as motivated by politics.

Except that this decision is demonstrably motivated by politics - it's just in President Trump's favour.
 
Except that this decision is demonstrably motivated by politics - it's just in President Trump's favour.

Sorry, I won't buy the Judge is in favor or Trump without more proof.
As much as I hate Trump, we have to be xareful not to become just like him. The old "If you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you:.
 
This makes it all the more important to vote for Harris/Walz. If Trump gets in the first thing he'll do is pardon himself.
 
Let's see Trump wriggle his way out of THIS one!
<Trump wriggles his way out of this one>
Ah, well, nevertheless.
 
Could this hint that the most likely sentence involves prison, which would certainly be chaotic in the election?

(One can only hope.)
 
This makes it all the more important to vote for Harris/Walz. If Trump gets in the first thing he'll do is pardon himself.


Can he pardon himself before he is convicted?
Anyway, as long as he enjoys presidential immunity, it would not make sense to even start on his case.
 
Sorry, I won't buy the Judge is in favor or Trump without more proof.
As much as I hate Trump, we have to be xareful not to become just like him. The old "If you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you:.

I agree that the judge isn't actively in favour of President Trump but the lengths they have gone to in order to appear fair and impartial to the MAGA crowd has had the same effect.

It's the same as the mainstream media "reporting both sides" and in the process promoting all kinds of kooky theories as a result.
 
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