Split Thread Conspiracy theories around the Russian invasion of Ukraine

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plague311 said:
I guess the real question is, what point are you trying to make? I don't think anyone has a lot of interest in playing whack-a-mole with what you're trying to say here.

What's your take on the current situation in Ukraine\Russia? How do you think it should end?
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The Russian Special Military Operation into Ukraine IS NOT AN INVASION. It is (and has been from the very beginning) strategically limited. It is not an invasion. As far as how I think it should end would take more space than this little forum window allows.
 
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Lukashenko helpfully showed everyone how limited Putin's invasion aims were on live TV.

'Limited' to sweeping deep into Ukraine along the whole border, occupying Donbas, seizing the entire Black sea coast all the way to Moldova and capturing the capital to decapitate the government and install a puppet regime, after which the whole country would be his to command.

You can tell how unlike an invasion it was by the fact that it involved only a few thousand tanks and only almost the entire ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Russian army shooting only almost everything in sight. It would be crazy to call such a limited action an "invasion". It'll all be over in a few days and then we'll all laugh about how seriously everyone was taking it.
 
steenkh said:
What is your definition of an invasion?

Have you forgotten that they also went for Kiev (although it would still be an invasion if they hadn’t).
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Are you not aware that Russia was dupped into leaving Kyev by fasle promisses spelled out in the Minsk Agreement? Putin has never intended to take all of Ukraine or even Kyev. Would you like to know more?
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Are you not aware that Russia was dupped into leaving Kyev by fasle promisses spelled out in the Minsk Agreement? Putin has never intended to take all of Ukraine or even Kyev. Would you like to know more?
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Yes please. Tell me more. And be honest. Do not put your own spin on it.
 
It's true, Putin's special military operation has been of limited scope, that scope being the conquest of Ukraine which Putin sees as a renegade region of Russia. The US couldn't invade Florida could it?

Sarcasm
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Are you not aware that Russia was dupped into leaving Kyev by fasle promisses spelled out in the Minsk Agreement? Putin has never intended to take all of Ukraine or even Kyev. Would you like to know more?
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Minsk I was signed in August of 2014. Minsk II was signed in February of 2015. How did either of them contain false promises that either made Russia march on Kiev or fall back in February of 2022?
 
Clutch Cargo said:
The Russian Special Military Operation into Ukraine IS NOT AN INVASION. It is (and has been from the very beginning) strategically limited. It is not an invasion. As far as how I think it should end would take more space than this little forum window allows.
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In some seriousness, what were the strategic limits exactly? What exactly is an invasion if what Putin has done is not an invasion? The US had the strategic limit of expelling Iraq from Kuwait during the first gulf war, I'm pretty sure what we did was still an invasion of both Kuwait and Iraq.
 
Russia ABSOLUTLEY wanted to change the government of Ukraine by force, which was supposed to be done via invasion and occupation of Kiev.
Of course that would have involved keeping a small force to ensure compliance.
This has been the expressed goal of Russia, deposing the supposed "Nazis" with people willing to move Ukraine closer to Russia and away from the EU.
 
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I remember before 2022 when Putin demanded that Ukraine shouldn't form any mutual trading relations with other countries as it properly belonged with Russia, because he doesn't believe it's a real, viable country in its own right so it ought to be brought within Russian control.

Surprisingly like what Trump is saying now about Canada.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
The Russian Special Military Operation into Ukraine IS NOT AN INVASION. It is (and has been from the very beginning) strategically limited. It is not an invasion. As far as how I think it should end would take more space than this little forum window allows.
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What do you call it when one nation's army invades another nation's territory? A picnic?
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Are you not aware that Russia was dupped into leaving Kyev by fasle promisses spelled out in the Minsk Agreement? Putin has never intended to take all of Ukraine or even Kyev. Would you like to know more?
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Putin and Russia say Ukraine is not a real country and has no right to exist.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
I suggest you read it.
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Yeah, no. The whole sealioning thing bores me. If you can explain how a false promise in a treaty caused Russians to retreat years later, do it. Not gonna sift through a bunch of complicated treaties to try to figure out what you are talking about.
 
ahhell said:
In some seriousness, what were the strategic limits exactly? What exactly is an invasion if what Putin has done is not an invasion? The US had the strategic limit of expelling Iraq from Kuwait during the first gulf war, I'm pretty sure what we did was still an invasion of both Kuwait and Iraq.
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I share your feelings about Kuwait and most definitley about Iraq ..... but the US got away with it. Neither Bush, Chenny, or Rumsford sat behind bars. It is my assumption (only an assumption) that Putin is using the American non-invasion invasion as the yardstick. Details? All of the worst accusations about Putin - his deeds, his aspirations, his actions, his spoken goals have all been fantasies from the West. Is that my spin or is it so that none of it has been backed up by proof or action? Putin has made many honorable claims but the Western MSM media has it all censored. You can find it but you have to dig.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Russia ABSOLUTLEY wanted to change the government of Ukraine by force, which was supposed to be done via invasion and occupation of Kiev.
Of course that would have involved keeping a small force to ensure compliance.
This has been the expressed goal of Russia, deposing the supposed "Nazis" with people willing to move Ukraine closer to Russia and away from the EU.
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Did you skip over the Maidan political coup?
 
Hercules56 said:
I'm asking you. What do YOU call it when another nation illegally puts their army into another nation's territory?
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The thing is, even if its perfectly legal, like say Ukraine had been lobbing missiles over the border or something, still an invasion when one country sends troops into another. The only way this wasn't an invasion is if you accept Putin's story about Ukraine not being an actual country.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
The Russian Special Military Operation into Ukraine IS NOT AN INVASION. It is (and has been from the very beginning) strategically limited. It is not an invasion. As far as how I think it should end would take more space than this little forum window allows.
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If its not an invasion, what is it?
 
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