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Connie Sonne Accuses Banachek of cheating her

connie sonne said:
I have told you several times, that YOU can not decide in wich order I have to come out with things- I decide myself
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That's fine. However, you MUST come out with things otherwise the only concrete evidence in existence contradicts your claim. The test is over and all of the evidence is available - either there is something in the evidence to support your claim of being cheated or not; nothing new is likely to surface now unless it has been "edited". That is why your claim of being cheated and continued delays in producing the evidence are being met with, for lack of a better term, skepticism.
 
connie sonne said:
I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it!
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You agreed to the protocol, hence it was just as much yours as theirs.
If it was not to your liking, you were not compelled to agree to it.
You should have negotiated a protocol you agreed to, rather than agree, attempt, fail and then cry 'cheat'.
What precisely was done outside the protocol which you now say was cheating, and why did you not recognise at the time that the protocol was not being followed?
 
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connie sonne said:
EOS: I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it! And what I mentioned in my earlier post--- it was not for you personally...it was for SOME of you.

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It is very disingenuous of you, Connie, to agree to a protocol and now claim you were duped. That means YOU were the one acting duplicitously - lying, as it were, to get tested. NO ONE held a gun to your head saying 'agree to this or else.' If you had ANY doubts, it was up to you to say so.
 
connie sonne said:
I have told you several times, that YOU can not decide in wich order I have to come out with things-
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What "things" are you coming out with? You don't have to come up with a timeline, but a list of items might help.

I decide myself AND I do NOT ask people to pay attention to my website( they can decide themself for reading it ! )
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Except that you kept posting that everything would be revealed on your website, except that it never seemed to have materialized. Is that one of the "things" that are coming out?

I only mentioned that I had one, and I also decide myself what I`m going to post like you do,. Nothing more about that.
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Except that you mention it practically all the time.

IF you don`t want to read it....so God:D be with you.... I don`t care at all....you will hear it anyway :).
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So these upcoming "things" will not posted at your website. Where will they be posted?

EOS: I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it!
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So you are saying you did not agree to the protocol and sign the contract before the test began. Could you please tell us who agreed to the protocol and forged your signature? Or is that one of your "things" that is coming?

And what I mentioned in my earlier post--- it was not for you personally...it was for SOME of you.
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Then could you please list those members who that post was directed to? You see, without you using the quote function or writing the names of those you are addressing, everyone assumes you are talking to the public at large.

And as this is a somewhat "public" forum, just about anyone who has signed onto this forum can answer... just like I'm doing.

Audible Klik: Desperate ??????:D I think YOU in there and others are desperate !!
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No, but do have a hankering for some Jell-O.

Tricky: You edited some of my words because of rule 0 (be civil and polite ) What??? What have people called me from the beginning -
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Fraud...

Oh, wait. I'm sorry. Was that also one of the "things" you were going to reveal?

when I was polite and only told the truth : mentally ill, fraud, have symptoms of schizophrenia and.....and ..... and...MUCH more worse words than I NEVER will call members in there... And you people out there talk about civilty ?????
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I can assure you, most of us have been very civil. There have been many other adjectives that have been posted elsewhere about you that would permanently get us banned if they were posted on here.

It`s just another prove that some of the invoveld "skeptics" feel that they hae to debunk everything/everybody with bigger powers than your mouths !
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If ever there is a "power" out there, whether possessed by you or someone else, that wins the $1M challenge, I will very happily cancel my membership on this or any forum and take a permanent vow of silence.

connie sonne said:
When You out there started calling me things - I lost my respect for SOME of you.
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When you were using a missing little girl to promote your so-called "power", you lost the respect of ALL of us.

Speaking of which, where is Madeleine McCann? Or it that one of the "things" you will be revealing? You know that we have been waiting a very long time to tell us. I'm sure the McCann family are sitting by their phone waiting for you to reveal their poor missing little girl. Even if she has died, I think the family might need some closure, just to know that their nightmare can be resolved somewhat.

But then, who are we to dictate when and where you reveal your "things".

Karl: Yes hundreds of you saw it live- and do you know what? Hundreds of you did not see what REALLY was going on!
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Yeah, a bunch of us were watching you and making faces at you during the webcast. I made a particularly funny one.

Cleon : things will come out, but again( and again and again.....) in the RIGHT order
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And will Maddie be included in that?

Soon?

and you said: "So you are ignorant of audio engineering technologi and practices" YES and therefore I tell you that I could not manipulate the recording - I`ve still have the original on the voicerecorder ( which I recorded my self ) and experts will know ( and experts have had it all the time !)
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And which experts would those be? To my knowledge, Bart and Mark are not audio engineers. If I am incorrect, I'm sure someone will correct me.

You also said "or perhaps youre full of crap" _ Yes Maybe..... or maybe some other people are:) !
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I will freely admit to being "full of it"! I am very conceited, stubborn, and can and have, BSed with the best of them. But I am also VERY good at what I do. And if I agree to a contract, sign it, and don't deliver the goods, I don't make excuses, blame others, or even cry and whine about it on an internet forum. I offer up an apology, handshake, and hopefully part on good terms. I can honestly tell you it has happened more than once, but not often.

But if I continually agree to a contract, sign my name, and consistently never come through with a finished product, and then whine about how my clients are preventing me from making money on an internet forum, I would no longer be considered the best at what I claim I can do. Why then would I be surprised and upset that people are calling me a "liar" and "fraud"?

You mentioned that some of you know Bart and Mark personally - and then ??????? (You think you do:))
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I know neither of them, either in passing or personally. But I have read what you have posted and read the postings the people involved, as well as watched the live feed of your test. As their take on the events match up with the video, and yours do not, I am more likely to believe them unless you can provide more evidence.

Unless that's also one of your "things" you will be revealing?

The Central Scrutinizer : You asked : "What color is your sky in your world ?"

Obviously....it`s NOT blue anymore with all the chem-trails and the following chem-clouds!!
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The DoLittle : No, it`s not only MY world...it is yours too !!
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Obviously not. With the exception of the times of inclement weather, I see a very nice, very blue sky just about every time I step out during the day.

Czarcasm: Yes try to get me suspended....I dont care. It will come out anyway!

Now things has been going on for thousand of years- and still people are sleeping....more now than ever !!
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I just finished my second cup of coffee so I am very much awake.

The circumstances fix the results....but if the circumstances will change... the results will be different:)
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Which circumstances and which results? Or are these "things" again?

I don`t care with the million dollar.
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So you don't care that Banachek and the JREF might have cheated you out of the $1M? Then why are you making such a fuss?
 
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So Connie, when are you taking up the Australian challenge? After all, this time you can make sure no-one "cheats" you.
 
edona7 said:
It is very disingenuous of you, Connie, to agree to a protocol and now claim you were duped. That means YOU were the one acting duplicitously - lying, as it were, to get tested. NO ONE held a gun to your head saying 'agree to this or else.' If you had ANY doubts, it was up to you to say so.
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I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. For the record, I don't think Connie was cheated. I think her conduct after the test has been deplorable because she's made baseless accusations.

But let's suppose that Connie had cheated. Would we be telling Randi that nobody held a gun to his head when accepting the protocol, so quit whining? People make mistakes of knowledge and of trust. If the other party took advantage of that to cheat, the other party is a cheater unworthy of respect.

The only thing to say to Connie is the same thing we say to all claimants: Put up or shut up. If you can do as you claim, then do it. If the JREF cheated, then prove it. Stop talking about it and show us. Since she refuses, she really doesn't deserve any further attention other than a chant of put up or shut up.
 
connie sonne said:
EOS: I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it!
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Well, since part of the protocol includes your agreement at all stages of the process, and you stated at the time that it was a fair test, there's not much use calling sour grapes now.

You said at the time, and in the press conference, that it was a fair test. You also said that "they" did not permit you to succeed because it was not "the right time".

I asked you at the press conference whether you could tell us who or what "they" are, and you declined to answer. You said that you would make it clear in "August or September" - granted that you did not specify the year.

Are you going to tell us who or what "they" are? Or are you going to continue to whine that it wasn't a fair test when you agreed at the time that it was?
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
The voices in her head.
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Yes, but Connie went into quite a bit of detail at the press conference about what they weren't - they aren't spirits, ghosts or aliens. And yet they told her where little Madeline was being held, which led her to lurk around a house in Portugal (did the owners know she was there?). She acts according to what the voices tell her.

Either she is displaying symptoms of schizophrenia, or there is an external origin of these voices. She denies that she is schizophrenic, so I'm very curious what is causing the voices, and why no-one else hears them.

Why have they chosen an ex-cop from Denmark as their conduit to this world? Why not a world leader? A President or a Pope? So I ask now, as I did at the press conference, who these voices belong to.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Well, the JREF was behind the Kennedy assassination, so I wouldn't put anything past them.
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Shhh. Didn't you get the memo? We are supposed to keep quiet about that. And whatever you do, don't mention the JREF's involvement in the Lincoln assassination, either. Or their involvement in 9/11. Or how the JREF is purposely keeping Planet X hidden from view just to mess with the 2012 crowd. Say nothing about any of it!

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So, Connie, you don't care what anyone here thinks, really couldn't care less if we visit your website, and in any case don't have any respect for those skeptic meanies. The only mystery left is why you are posting here.
 
ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie
 
But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie
 
You took a test without even bothering to do a dry run first, and failed it as we all knew you would.

Either provide some evidence that you were cheated (the best evidence would be to take the exact same test again under properly supervised conditions and pass it) or accept that you have no paranormal powers and get on with your life. All slandering Banachek is going to get you is sued.
 
I've looked. I must be missing something. Please tell us exactly what Banachek did. If you were cheated, you clearly would have a case against the JREF and you should sue them. But if you cannot explain here what Banachek did, you will never be able to explain it in court.

Ward

P.S. Where have you been for the past year? Did it take you that long to look at a couple of youtube clips?
 
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connie sonne said:
ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie
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Connie, please tell us what you see on the aforementioned parts. What is "it"?

Please tell us precisely what you mean by "I have a lot more". Thank you.



Are you aware that you tried blaming the JREF and Banachek before, with similar vague accusations and that it has led you nowhere?

Have you considered presenting your case to an attorney and pursue this matter in more appropriate channels?
 
connie sonne said:
But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie
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You don't seem to have understood or taken heed of the part I have bolded. Or perhaps you feel you have a rock solid case to make. Even so, it would have been prudent to seek expert opinion on what you think you have seen before publishing accusations like these. The other thing to consider is that a lot of experts (pro magicians) would have watched these clips by now and would surely have noticed what you think you have were there anything in it.
 
Sorry but...

If Banachek really does sue Connie, he is an idiot.
If he is not seriously considering doing so, he is an idiot for threatening to do so.

Bad look in my book. :(
 
connie sonne said:
But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie
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Please disregard my first reply.

Connie, I think you should consult a medical professional and evaluate your health. It is worrying to see you not letting this go despite all the evidence against you. Tell him/her about this incident and take it from there.
Please get help. I wish you all the best.
 
It's all still about the attention, isn't it Connie?


Check out her thread in Forum Management when her bump post didn't immediately rocket this thread to the top of the home page/index page. Now the mods are cheating her, too! :p
 
connie sonne said:
ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie
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Have you considered discussing your findings with a mental health professional? I really think you should. Seriously.
 
connie sonne said:
But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie
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Connie

I really have an issue with your stating that you werre tricked, here is the reasoning why.

Everyone has special skills, and most people who have proficiancy in them have been training for quite some time, as i am sure you have been through your life.

Mine, is knife throwing. I have been doing it for almost a decade and during that time, periodically i find out things that mess with me.

Not to bore you with details, but things like, distance, wind strength, the type of target, etc. Now when i noticed these i corrected for them.

Now your not claiming it was, the psychic equivalent of wet fingers, or a strong wind, your claiming direct interference by someone.

I've had my embarrassing moments. The first time i tried to throw knives in a strong wind in front of people, is a great example. I had no idea that a wind would screw up my throws so bad , i said my mea cuplas , and corrected this.

But what i can say , and i am sure anyone else with a weird skill would say, is that environmental factors may sneak up on you, ( though as you train more, this becomes increasingly rare.), but being directly interfered with is something that should be blatantly obvious.

If i was trying to prove that i could throw knives for a million dollars , i would notice almost immediately any attempts to thwart me. If suddenly i was failing throws i make constant basis, i wouldn't keep going, i would stop instantly, make an educated guess as to how i was being thwarted ( Maybe someone was throwing pennies or rocks at me , maybe they set up a vent to gust wind at the knives, etc.) , and call the people out on it. When you have a skill, especially one you practice with to the point you are sure you have it , you know when something is not right.

A person who knows they are being cheated out of a million dollars for something they know they can do is not just going to shrug their shoulders, walk away and complain. They are going to " Pull the cheesecloth" so to speak, as they are being thwarted.

Unless that is, of course, they know they are not going to win. If the publicity is the person's only concern, it makes perfect sense to do the test, fail, and make up all kinds of stories as to how you were cheated. Believers will still believe, and you just got some free press, the million was never really something you thought you would get, so getting stressed at the time would do nothing for you other than harm your reputation.

So what is the deal connie? Your actions make no sense if you were legitimately thinking you could win, but make perfect sense if one runs under the assumption that you were just going for the publicity. Care to explain?
 
Part 2 : Play it slowly, if you can`t, then use the "pause" button all the time.


It goes VERY fast!

07.13 - 07.17 : Banachek looks in his left pocket in his waistcoat. He takes something up and place it on the table behind the big envelopes. AT THE SAME time he takes a piece of paper in the same hand and place his hand on his knee again.

You are SO blind if you can´t see it. So...Banachek and JREF are moore than welcome to sue me. And it`s still a little part of it !

Connie
 
connie sonne said:
Part 2 : Play it slowly, if you can`t, then use the "pause" button all the time.


It goes VERY fast!

07.13 - 07.17 : Banachek looks in his left pocket in his waistcoat. He takes something up and place it on the table behind the big envelopes. AT THE SAME time he takes a piece of paper in the same hand and place his hand on his knee again.

You are SO blind if you can´t see it. So...Banachek and JREF are moore than welcome to sue me. And it`s still a little part of it !

Connie
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This is what's known as "babble".
 
connie sonne said:
ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie
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How about a link to the video you're watching, so we can follow along? I know it may be buried in this thread somewhere, but I couldn't see it in the first hundred posts I looked at.
 
BillyJoe said:
Sorry but...

If Banachek really does sue Connie, he is an idiot.
If he is not seriously considering doing so, he is an idiot for threatening to do so.
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Depends.

As long as she's just babbling on here she's obviously best ignored, but if she were to get her accusations published in a newspaper (admittedly an unlikely scenario, but stranger things have happened) they would soon be all over the internet, and he does have his professional reputation to consider.

Of course if she actually had a case she would be suing him.
 
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Zooterkij : you can just google connie sonne part 2, then it comes up several places. I used the one at YouTube uploaded by JREF. If you can place the link here, which is able to work, you are welcome, because I could`nt.

Connie
 
connie sonne said:
And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !
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You would be if you had a case, yes. But you aren't, are you? Because you don't have a case. Because you weren't cheated, you failed a fair test.

If you really believe you were cheated you would have repeated the exact same test in front of impartial witnesses to prove it. You've had nearly two years to do so. Yet here we are, still reading your slanderous - but too ridiculous to do anything but ignore - babbling.
 
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How about a link to the video you're watching, so we can follow along? I know it may be buried in this thread somewhere, but I couldn't see it in the first hundred posts I looked at.
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In the interests of fair play here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USw7XXT0RXk .

At the time Banachek takes his notepad and puts it between his legs. At the end of the video he writes something on it after Connie gives him one of the answers. I could see no evidence of cheating.
 
I agree - he doesn't look in his pocket so much as glance toward it and pats it (as you do when trying to remember where you put a pen o notebook), then picks up his notes and wites the choices etc on the notes.
 
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