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Can a machine designed to move an object by its simulated thought enter challenge

BenRayfield

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Its a fact of physics that when a particle is observed from either or both (various combinations of possible superposition) of 2 pools of particles and it cant be determined which pool it came from, the 2 pools are entangled.

I intentionally did not use the word causes because the fact is only those things go together. Which had more influence on the other, or in what proportions, is still an open question of Time Symmetry and how accurately it describes this continuous high dimensional manifold we all are part of, especially in very local and short time range events like Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser in which a particle hits a wall then a choice made in another branch statistically affects if the past event gives 2 bell curves or 1 combined wave, again statistically on the earlier part, but the statistics have been repeated many times and found to be how physics normally acts.

Thought can move small objects at a distance for the same reason the 2 pools of particles become entangled when the observer cant determine (because of a physical lack of any effect it had) which pool it came from. I speak from experience that it occurs when the mind is ready to react a certain way based on the photons travelling from the target object, into the eyes, spreading through many of the neurons, therefore the same amount of connection as in Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser, regardless of if it stays superpositioned or quickly falls toward a certain observation. I have established a physical connection between the target object and my brain cells. Next, I need to prove that connection can be used to move the target object.

2 pools of particles become entangled when a particle is observed and it cant be determined which pool (either or both in some superposition) it came from. For exactly the same reason, if any 2 parts of my brain are touched by those photons from the target object and have no way to know if the target object turned left or turned right, then those 2 possible states of the world physically must become entangled with eachother.

2 parts of my brain is important. If it was just 1, it could be that it just decided to ignore that signal (brainwaves resulting from incoming photons from turning left and/or right), but brains do not have the precision to predict and adjust for the other brain half at a level that would not be a quantum observe. The photons come in both eyes, go to a few different parts of my brain, then have to find their way through many paths until all the information agrees between my brain parts. It would be impossible to have the exact same thought for each of 2 possible inputs (photons from the target object moving left or right), but physics is continuous and we are talking about many photons streaming in both eyes, so it is enough to change the derivative of thought by each of the 2 possible inputs, to have a smaller difference in the thought which occurs if it turns left and the thought that occurs if it turns right. To the extent the mind is balanced and aware of these paths through itself and most importantly causes itself to not be able to determine if it turned left or right, it is a fact of physics that they must be entangled, and by adjusting the thoughts between those 2 directions, the same physical force that entangles the 2 pools of particles entangles what the mind puts force on to lack a difference, a force pushing against the mass of those parts of the mind which observe it but are not affected by which was observed.

Based on my in progress research, which includes statistical artificial intelligence and toward a simulation of gravity as a superfluid, modelling time like liquids become mixed and are hard to unmix, time being entanglement and a difference in the, basically something like PageRank or call it some things are near many other things which are in less density, but density can only be understood by what is near each point since there are no dimensions built in, only the statistical connections which should form on their own and somehow start to look like what physics really does.

Following that simulation, I want to build a simple machine which observes a target object through analog sensors, so the entanglement is not entirely blocked in its path to the simulated mind, which should be some kind of divergent system where each neuron/node is affected by small changes in the combination of many others, so whatever the machine sees will affect its whole mind and travel from all parts to all other parts of its mind. This machine will, as described above, try to have less difference in its thoughts between seeing the target object move one direction or the other.

My question about the million dollar paranormal challenge...
Can a machine enter the challenge and its "paranormal" ability is to move a small object by observing it while thinking a certain way, that as I have explained is purely a result of entanglement by touching but lacking the ability to know which possible event it came from?

Would anyone like to help with this research, simulation, and machine to move an object by simulated thought? I would very much like us all to get past the unjustified belief in copenhagen and newtonian physics because there is an important branch of science to explore, entanglement, multiverse, superfluids as qubits moving through eachother, power sources and transportation based on such discoveries.

If a machine will not be accepted for the paranormal challenge, in doing something that if it was a person would be considered paranormal, then the challenge is meaningless.
 
Holy Crap, you lost me in the middle of the second paragraph. I had to look up "Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser" just to make sure it wasn't something you got from a buzzword generator!
 
If a machine will not be accepted for the paranormal challenge, in doing something that if it was a person would be considered paranormal, then the challenge is meaningless.

Nonsense. Machines can do all sorts of things that would be considered paranormal if done by a human, but not by a machine. Levitation and remote viewing, to name just two. Heck, a simple radio demonstrates powers that would be considered paranormal if a human could do them.

(On the other hand, if you could demonstrate "simulated thought", you'd probably be eligible for an ACM award.) :)
 
Nonsense. Machines can do all sorts of things that would be considered paranormal if done by a human, but not by a machine. Levitation and remote viewing, to name just two. Heck, a simple radio demonstrates powers that would be considered paranormal if a human could do them.

(On the other hand, if you could demonstrate "simulated thought", you'd probably be eligible for an ACM award.) :)


Ha! That's funny. OK, I had to look up ACM, but that is funny.

On that vein, you could violate the laws of physics just by playing any country music song backwards!
 
Ha! That's funny. OK, I had to look up ACM, but that is funny.

On that vein, you could violate the laws of physics just by playing any country music song backwards!

Er, I was referring to the Association for Computing Machinery ("the world's largest and most prestigious scientific and educational computing society") rather than the Academy of Country Music, but I admit the ambiguity did add some extra unintentional humor to my post. :D
 
Its a fact of physics that when a particle is observed from either or both (various combinations of possible superposition) of 2 pools of particles and it cant be determined which pool it came from, the 2 pools are entangled...

If a machine will not be accepted for the paranormal challenge, in doing something that if it was a person would be considered paranormal, then the challenge is meaningless.
Man or machine makes no difference. An ability is only 'paranormal' if it is not in accordance with scientific laws. By providing a scientific explanation for how your machine works, you void any claim that you might have.

So if you want the million dollars then my advice is to make the machine, but don't tell us how it works. Just say it's 'psychic' and hope that nobody figures it out...
 
I think he should just nominate his website for the million dollar prize...
 
I think you'll have to settle for just the Nobel, sadly. Assuming it works as advertised.
 
I would very much like us all to get past the unjustified belief in copenhagen

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BenRayfield,

Please forgive my ignorance, but I'd like to know exactly what you are talking about when you say small objects.
 
Could it be that Ben realized after his posting, the fact machines can do seemingly magical things that we cant do?, as pointed out by a member above who cited radio waves as one example? And so Ben gave up on his idea?
Or, did some machine of his stimulate Ben to jump off a bridge or something, for some unknown reason?
 
The first two laws of thermodynamics:
You can't make energy
You must lose energy

When combined, they mean a machine cannot run forever.
 
As for my Perpetual Motion machine question I suppose nothing can last forever. There was a man in my hometown who claimed to have built a perpetual motion machine.
 
There is no really kind way to say it, but he was either mistaken or lying. There are no other choices without throwing out much of what we know about physics.
 
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What if all of Denmark is, like, just part of a universe, and that whole universe is really just another atom, spinning around as part of a coffee bean in the real universe. Dude.
 
When combined, they mean a machine cannot run forever.

Depends on if forever is the same as perpetual. Which seems obvious, but then again mathematics uses different values for infinity which are not all equal.
 
Its a fact of physics that when a particle is observed from either or both (various combinations of possible superposition) of 2 pools of particles and it cant be determined which pool it came from, the 2 pools are entangled.

I intentionally did not use the word causes because the fact is only those things go together. Which had more influence on the other, or in what proportions, is still an open question of Time Symmetry and how accurately it describes this continuous high dimensional manifold we all are part of, especially in very local and short time range events like Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser in which a particle hits a wall then a choice made in another branch statistically affects if the past event gives 2 bell curves or 1 combined wave, again statistically on the earlier part, but the statistics have been repeated many times and found to be how physics normally acts.

Thought can move small objects at a distance for the same reason the 2 pools of particles become entangled when the observer cant determine (because of a physical lack of any effect it had) which pool it came from. I speak from experience that it occurs when the mind is ready to react a certain way based on the photons travelling from the target object, into the eyes, spreading through many of the neurons, therefore the same amount of connection as in Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser, regardless of if it stays superpositioned or quickly falls toward a certain observation. I have established a physical connection between the target object and my brain cells. Next, I need to prove that connection can be used to move the target object.

2 pools of particles become entangled when a particle is observed and it cant be determined which pool (either or both in some superposition) it came from. For exactly the same reason, if any 2 parts of my brain are touched by those photons from the target object and have no way to know if the target object turned left or turned right, then those 2 possible states of the world physically must become entangled with eachother.

2 parts of my brain is important. If it was just 1, it could be that it just decided to ignore that signal (brainwaves resulting from incoming photons from turning left and/or right), but brains do not have the precision to predict and adjust for the other brain half at a level that would not be a quantum observe. The photons come in both eyes, go to a few different parts of my brain, then have to find their way through many paths until all the information agrees between my brain parts. It would be impossible to have the exact same thought for each of 2 possible inputs (photons from the target object moving left or right), but physics is continuous and we are talking about many photons streaming in both eyes, so it is enough to change the derivative of thought by each of the 2 possible inputs, to have a smaller difference in the thought which occurs if it turns left and the thought that occurs if it turns right. To the extent the mind is balanced and aware of these paths through itself and most importantly causes itself to not be able to determine if it turned left or right, it is a fact of physics that they must be entangled, and by adjusting the thoughts between those 2 directions, the same physical force that entangles the 2 pools of particles entangles what the mind puts force on to lack a difference, a force pushing against the mass of those parts of the mind which observe it but are not affected by which was observed.

Based on my in progress research, which includes statistical artificial intelligence and toward a simulation of gravity as a superfluid, modelling time like liquids become mixed and are hard to unmix, time being entanglement and a difference in the, basically something like PageRank or call it some things are near many other things which are in less density, but density can only be understood by what is near each point since there are no dimensions built in, only the statistical connections which should form on their own and somehow start to look like what physics really does.

Following that simulation, I want to build a simple machine which observes a target object through analog sensors, so the entanglement is not entirely blocked in its path to the simulated mind, which should be some kind of divergent system where each neuron/node is affected by small changes in the combination of many others, so whatever the machine sees will affect its whole mind and travel from all parts to all other parts of its mind. This machine will, as described above, try to have less difference in its thoughts between seeing the target object move one direction or the other.

My question about the million dollar paranormal challenge...
Can a machine enter the challenge and its "paranormal" ability is to move a small object by observing it while thinking a certain way, that as I have explained is purely a result of entanglement by touching but lacking the ability to know which possible event it came from?

Would anyone like to help with this research, simulation, and machine to move an object by simulated thought? I would very much like us all to get past the unjustified belief in copenhagen and newtonian physics because there is an important branch of science to explore, entanglement, multiverse, superfluids as qubits moving through eachother, power sources and transportation based on such discoveries.

If a machine will not be accepted for the paranormal challenge, in doing something that if it was a person would be considered paranormal, then the challenge is meaningless.

It seems to me that building a machine like this.....wait....what?
 
But quantum entanglements cannot be broken in a way that allows for something to choose how it breaks.
 
As with 99% of the challengers, you fail to organize your mind to provide a simple, defined claim... And instead daze us with long, cryptic word salad that is completely meaningless to us.

Try again from the top. This time sparing us all of your theories and "background information" and give us a coherent claim in a few words. Should 't need more than a couple lines.

(I have a strong hunch based on previous experience that you won't, though, so I won't be holding my breath)
 
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Its a fact of physics that when a particle is observed from either or both (various combinations of possible superposition) of 2 pools of particles and it cant be determined which pool it came from, the 2 pools are entangled.

I intentionally did not use the word causes because the fact is only those things go together. Which had more influence on the other, or in what proportions, is still an open question of Time Symmetry and how accurately it describes this continuous high dimensional manifold we all are part of, especially in very local and short time range events like Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser in which a particle hits a wall then a choice made in another branch statistically affects if the past event gives 2 bell curves or 1 combined wave, again statistically on the earlier part, but the statistics have been repeated many times and found to be how physics normally acts.

Thought can move small objects at a distance for the same reason the 2 pools of particles become entangled when the observer cant determine (because of a physical lack of any effect it had) which pool it came from. I speak from experience that it occurs when the mind is ready to react a certain way based on the photons travelling from the target object, into the eyes, spreading through many of the neurons, therefore the same amount of connection as in Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser, regardless of if it stays superpositioned or quickly falls toward a certain observation. I have established a physical connection between the target object and my brain cells. Next, I need to prove that connection can be used to move the target object.

2 pools of particles become entangled when a particle is observed and it cant be determined which pool (either or both in some superposition) it came from. For exactly the same reason, if any 2 parts of my brain are touched by those photons from the target object and have no way to know if the target object turned left or turned right, then those 2 possible states of the world physically must become entangled with eachother.

2 parts of my brain is important. If it was just 1, it could be that it just decided to ignore that signal (brainwaves resulting from incoming photons from turning left and/or right), but brains do not have the precision to predict and adjust for the other brain half at a level that would not be a quantum observe. The photons come in both eyes, go to a few different parts of my brain, then have to find their way through many paths until all the information agrees between my brain parts. It would be impossible to have the exact same thought for each of 2 possible inputs (photons from the target object moving left or right), but physics is continuous and we are talking about many photons streaming in both eyes, so it is enough to change the derivative of thought by each of the 2 possible inputs, to have a smaller difference in the thought which occurs if it turns left and the thought that occurs if it turns right. To the extent the mind is balanced and aware of these paths through itself and most importantly causes itself to not be able to determine if it turned left or right, it is a fact of physics that they must be entangled, and by adjusting the thoughts between those 2 directions, the same physical force that entangles the 2 pools of particles entangles what the mind puts force on to lack a difference, a force pushing against the mass of those parts of the mind which observe it but are not affected by which was observed.

Based on my in progress research, which includes statistical artificial intelligence and toward a simulation of gravity as a superfluid, modelling time like liquids become mixed and are hard to unmix, time being entanglement and a difference in the, basically something like PageRank or call it some things are near many other things which are in less density, but density can only be understood by what is near each point since there are no dimensions built in, only the statistical connections which should form on their own and somehow start to look like what physics really does.

Following that simulation, I want to build a simple machine which observes a target object through analog sensors, so the entanglement is not entirely blocked in its path to the simulated mind, which should be some kind of divergent system where each neuron/node is affected by small changes in the combination of many others, so whatever the machine sees will affect its whole mind and travel from all parts to all other parts of its mind. This machine will, as described above, try to have less difference in its thoughts between seeing the target object move one direction or the other.

My question about the million dollar paranormal challenge...
Can a machine enter the challenge and its "paranormal" ability is to move a small object by observing it while thinking a certain way, that as I have explained is purely a result of entanglement by touching but lacking the ability to know which possible event it came from?

Would anyone like to help with this research, simulation, and machine to move an object by simulated thought? I would very much like us all to get past the unjustified belief in copenhagen and newtonian physics because there is an important branch of science to explore, entanglement, multiverse, superfluids as qubits moving through eachother, power sources and transportation based on such discoveries.

If a machine will not be accepted for the paranormal challenge, in doing something that if it was a person would be considered paranormal, then the challenge is meaningless.
As a first step, could you give a definition for "thought"? If you are a neuro scientist you may pretty close to it, but I doubt you would go 100%
 
Its a fact of physics that when a particle is observed from either or both (various combinations of possible superposition) of 2 pools of particles and it cant be determined which pool it came from, the 2 pools are entangled.

I intentionally did not use the word causes because the fact is only those things go together. Which had more influence on the other, or in what proportions, is still an open question of Time Symmetry and how accurately it describes this continuous high dimensional manifold we all are part of, especially in very local and short time range events like Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser in which a particle hits a wall then a choice made in another branch statistically affects if the past event gives 2 bell curves or 1 combined wave, again statistically on the earlier part, but the statistics have been repeated many times and found to be how physics normally acts.

Thought can move small objects at a distance for the same reason the 2 pools of particles become entangled when the observer cant determine (because of a physical lack of any effect it had) which pool it came from. I speak from experience that it occurs when the mind is ready to react a certain way based on the photons travelling from the target object, into the eyes, spreading through many of the neurons, therefore the same amount of connection as in Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser, regardless of if it stays superpositioned or quickly falls toward a certain observation. I have established a physical connection between the target object and my brain cells. Next, I need to prove that connection can be used to move the target object.

2 pools of particles become entangled when a particle is observed and it cant be determined which pool (either or both in some superposition) it came from. For exactly the same reason, if any 2 parts of my brain are touched by those photons from the target object and have no way to know if the target object turned left or turned right, then those 2 possible states of the world physically must become entangled with eachother.

2 parts of my brain is important. If it was just 1, it could be that it just decided to ignore that signal (brainwaves resulting from incoming photons from turning left and/or right), but brains do not have the precision to predict and adjust for the other brain half at a level that would not be a quantum observe. The photons come in both eyes, go to a few different parts of my brain, then have to find their way through many paths until all the information agrees between my brain parts. It would be impossible to have the exact same thought for each of 2 possible inputs (photons from the target object moving left or right), but physics is continuous and we are talking about many photons streaming in both eyes, so it is enough to change the derivative of thought by each of the 2 possible inputs, to have a smaller difference in the thought which occurs if it turns left and the thought that occurs if it turns right. To the extent the mind is balanced and aware of these paths through itself and most importantly causes itself to not be able to determine if it turned left or right, it is a fact of physics that they must be entangled, and by adjusting the thoughts between those 2 directions, the same physical force that entangles the 2 pools of particles entangles what the mind puts force on to lack a difference, a force pushing against the mass of those parts of the mind which observe it but are not affected by which was observed.

Based on my in progress research, which includes statistical artificial intelligence and toward a simulation of gravity as a superfluid, modelling time like liquids become mixed and are hard to unmix, time being entanglement and a difference in the, basically something like PageRank or call it some things are near many other things which are in less density, but density can only be understood by what is near each point since there are no dimensions built in, only the statistical connections which should form on their own and somehow start to look like what physics really does.

Following that simulation, I want to build a simple machine which observes a target object through analog sensors, so the entanglement is not entirely blocked in its path to the simulated mind, which should be some kind of divergent system where each neuron/node is affected by small changes in the combination of many others, so whatever the machine sees will affect its whole mind and travel from all parts to all other parts of its mind. This machine will, as described above, try to have less difference in its thoughts between seeing the target object move one direction or the other.

My question about the million dollar paranormal challenge...
Can a machine enter the challenge and its "paranormal" ability is to move a small object by observing it while thinking a certain way, that as I have explained is purely a result of entanglement by touching but lacking the ability to know which possible event it came from?

Would anyone like to help with this research, simulation, and machine to move an object by simulated thought? I would very much like us all to get past the unjustified belief in copenhagen and newtonian physics because there is an important branch of science to explore, entanglement, multiverse, superfluids as qubits moving through eachother, power sources and transportation based on such discoveries.

If a machine will not be accepted for the paranormal challenge, in doing something that if it was a person would be considered paranormal, then the challenge is meaningless.

Could you define "thought" for me. If you are a neuro scientist you may come pretty close, although you would have it 100%
 
A few things.

Can a machine enter the challenge?

Lets assume said machine has the necessary tools/ protocols to determine if it feels it is capable of winning the challenge. Now this machine needs to be able to think; to weigh many variables and determine if it has a chance.

Lets assume it can decide and does decide that it feels it has a serious chance of winning. Now it needs to enter. I'm assuming it needs to be able to decide to enter and it needs to log onto Randi.org and be able to fill out the appropriate fields and what not.

That is, assuming the machine has a computer element to it and it is hooked up to the internets. That is, also assuming the computer has either been told about Randi's challenge or discovered it all by its amazing self.


So..assuming all the above criteria are met, I don't see why a machine wouldn't be able to enter itself into Randi's challenge.




(looks like Maaarteeeen has a new posting name)
 
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