Buildings collapse into their own footprint

We're supposed to conclude that, because concrete framed buildings subject to earthquake damage can collapse into their own footprints with the accompanying production of enormous clouds of dust, it is impossible for anything but explosives to cause any kind of building to collapse into its own footprint with the, accompanying production of enormous clouds of dust.

Your only mistake here, is expecting the argument to make some kind of sense.

Dave
Like claiming the Titanic was torpedoed because you've seen pictures of torpedoed ships sinking and the Titanic seemed to sink in exactly the same way😱!
 
Like claiming the Titanic was torpedoed because you've seen pictures of torpedoed ships sinking and the Titanic seemed to sink in exactly the same way😱!
More like pointing out that a ship can sink in exactly the same way as the Titanic did if it hits a reef, so that proves the Titanic was torpedoed. Yes, it's really that incoherently idiotic.

Dave
 
Is the OP's silence one of those embarrassed ones or a haughty, arrogant one? Having trouble reading the room.
 
Can we all just take a second to admire this building performing as it was designed in this earthquake:


Seriously, someone buy the engineers, and construction crews beers because this building took it like a champ. Also, don't hire Chinese construction firms. Maybe the building would have had a chance if it was finished, but I suspect they skipped a few steps.
 
Can we all just take a second to admire this building performing as it was designed in this earthquake:


Seriously, someone buy the engineers, and construction crews beers because this building took it like a champ. Also, don't hire Chinese construction firms. Maybe the building would have had a chance if it was finished, but I suspect they skipped a few steps.

I've only had a tiny amount of exposure to the problem in Australia, but use of really dodgy construction materials was the issue here in Adelaide.
(Importing cheap panels, and flooring material made of asbestos).

I did watch an electrical inspection video of a Sydney (IIRC) high rise, that was built by a Chinese firm.

The conclusion was that every piece of equipment (switches, fuses, plugs, sockets, junction boxes, cables, etc.) had to be removed and replaced.

The head of the inspection teams said something like:

It's not just that they didn't follow regulations and standards, it looks like no one in the supply chain, or the installation crew, has ever heard of any standard, for any thing.

So I'm guessing, cheapest possible everything, from cheapest possible source, and in the Thailand case, bribing of inspectors (if any exist).
 
I've only had a tiny amount of exposure to the problem in Australia, but use of really dodgy construction materials was the issue here in Adelaide.
(Importing cheap panels, and flooring material made of asbestos).

I did watch an electrical inspection video of a Sydney (IIRC) high rise, that was built by a Chinese firm.

The conclusion was that every piece of equipment (switches, fuses, plugs, sockets, junction boxes, cables, etc.) had to be removed and replaced.

The head of the inspection teams said something like:

It's not just that they didn't follow regulations and standards, it looks like no one in the supply chain, or the installation crew, has ever heard of any standard, for any thing.

So I'm guessing, cheapest possible everything, from cheapest possible source, and in the Thailand case, bribing of inspectors (if any exist).
You are obviously too arrogant to understand Alternative Construction. Or Big Consta must have paid you off.
 
No, I did not learn...
Kudos for an honest and almost straight answer! :)

And yes, you are right, you are absolutely correct: You did not learn!
Which is the exact reason why you remain a 9/11 Truther - by the best available definition:

A "9/11 Truther" is a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11.

If you ever learned anything about 9/11 that lifted you out of this essential wrongness, you'd cease being a "Truther" at once!
 
Kudos for an honest and almost straight answer!
One of my favorite virtues
:)


And yes, you are right, you are absolutely correct: You did not learn!
I only learn by applying the Socratic method and employing constant ratiocination
to refine information I admit into memory.
Which is the exact reason why you remain a 9/11 Truther - by the best available definition:
"9/11 Truther - by the best available definition:" ... Urban dictionary only offers three definitions.
Which one best fits?
A "9/11 Truther" is a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11.

Heads-up! Kinda late for the conversation but here is one now. Admits he was ...
" a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11" for 21 years
but recently has had his eyes opened and has vowed to ferret-out the truth by
JAQing off in public on the floor of the US Congress.

If you ever learned anything about 9/11 that lifted you out of this essential wrongness, you'd cease being a "Truther" at once!
Educate me.
 
One of my favorite virtues
LOL No!
I only learn by applying the Socratic method and employing constant ratiocination
to refine information I admit into memory.
LOL No! :D
"9/11 Truther - by the best available definition:" ... Urban dictionary only offers three definitions.
Which one best fits?
The one I provided: A "9/11 Truther" is a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11.
This definition all the different, competing and often mutually excluding ways that people are 9/11-Truthing - the Judy-Wooders, the Nukers, the Nanothermitians, the LIHOPers, the Jew-Blamers, the Vicsimmers, the Noplaners, the Remote-controllers, ...

Heads-up! Kinda late for the conversation but here is one now. Admits he was ...
" a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11" for 21 years
What? Who? LOL! Nonsense.
Educate me.
We've been doing that here for over 15 years now.

But alas, you did not learn. You persist in being wrong. You are still a "9/11 Truther".
 
Seriously you are quoting arch-nitwit and spinning eyeball conspiracist Ron Johnson as a proof of 9/11??

Wow. Just wow.

:dl:
You're not wrong. This guy's Wiki page is a shopping list of insanity, cruelty and bigotry.
Fonebone, two questions:
1. Do you think Johnson is a reliable source of information? If so, why?
2. If his "investigation" does not prove CD, will you accept that conclusion and change your mind in light of the evidence?
 
Seriously you are quoting arch-nitwit and spinning eyeball conspiracist Ron Johnson as a proof of 9/11??
Craig McKee outlines the main stream media's reaction to Senator Ron Johnson's public statements about the collapse of WTC7
and call for a genuine investigation starting at the 4:30 timestamp of this video.
Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces

You're not wrong. This guy's Wiki page is a shopping list of insanity, cruelty, and bigotry.
Questions for you Cosmic: ... Exactly what in Ron Johnson's Wiki page constitutes, in your opinion, demonstrate examples of insanity, cruelty, and bigotry in your shopping list?
--and--
Take note of colonel Anthony Shaffer ( from the link listed above Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces ) opinion of Wikipedia's veracity
at the 15:50 timestamp. Anthony Shaffer was the team leader of operation Able Danger charged to ID known and suspected terrorists and their
associates and report to authorities them and their foreign comrades in data bases. Listen to Colonel Shaffer's short summary.

Fonebone, two questions:
1. Do you think Johnson is a reliable source of information? If so, why?
Every Man Man A human being (irrespective of sex or age deserves to be heard and judged on the merit of their words and thoughts.
I applaud and endorse Ron Johnson's mission, along with Senator Curt Weldon, to bring the 9-11-2001 questions before the US Congress and subsequently to the free-thinking citizens of the world.
2. If his "investigation" does not prove CD, will you accept that conclusion and change your mind in light of the evidence?
The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud. There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible
and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
 
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Craig McKee outlines the main stream media's reaction to Senator Ron Johnson's public statements about the collapse of WTC7
and call for a genuine investigation starting at the 4:30 timestamp of this video.
Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces


Questions for you Cosmic: ... Exactly what in Ron Johnson's Wiki page constitutes, in your opinion, demonstrate examples of insanity, cruelty, and bigotry in your shopping list?

I would have thought that you, as a fearless, dogged and intrepid truthseeker would have had no trouble at all locating these things in the source I linked to. Did you even look at it, or are you waiting for me to walk you through it?
--and--
Take note of colonel Anthony Shaffer ( from the link listed above Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces ) opinion of Wikipedia's veracity
at the 15:50 timestamp. Anthony Shaffer was the team leader of operation Able Danger charged to ID known and suspected terrorists and their
associates and report to authorities them and their foreign comrades in data bases. Listen to Colonel Shaffer's short summary.

An endless regression of supposed authorities used to support each other. I really don't care what this random character has to say about Wikipedia. Perhaps you can explain why I should?
Every Man Man A human being (irrespective of sex or age deserves to be heard and judged on the merit of their words and thoughts.
I applaud and endorse Ron Johnson's mission, along with Senator Curt Weldon, to bring the 9-11-2001 questions before the US Congress and subsequently to the free-thinking citizens of the world.

None of which answers my question. Why do you accept this person as a reliable and knowledgeable source?
The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud.

It goes without saying that you have citations for these claims, right? You just forgot to link to them, right?

There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible
and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.

Oh, get over yourself, dude. This isn't some fearless crusade for truth and justice. This is the stubborn refusal of a dwindling minority of paranoid and ill-informed internet denizens to accept they were wrong. Completely wrong. And encouraged to be wrong by cynical parasites like David Icke, Alex Jones and Richard Gage, who care not one jot about the welfare of the families or the firemen, and are only interested in attention and financial gain.
 
Craig McKee outlines the main stream media's reaction to Senator Ron Johnson's public statements about the collapse of WTC7
and call for a genuine investigation starting at the 4:30 timestamp of this video.
Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces
No. Just no.
Questions for you Cosmic: ... Exactly what in Ron Johnson's Wiki page constitutes, in your opinion, demonstrate examples of insanity, cruelty, and bigotry in your shopping list?
--and--
Take note of colonel Anthony Shaffer ( from the link listed above Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces ) opinion of Wikipedia's veracity
at the 15:50 timestamp. Anthony Shaffer was the team leader of operation Able Danger charged to ID known and suspected terrorists and their
associates and report to authorities them and their foreign comrades in data bases. Listen to Colonel Shaffer's short summary.
Ditto.
Every Man Man A human being (irrespective of sex or age deserves to be heard and judged on the merit of their words and thoughts.
I applaud and endorse Ron Johnson's mission, along with Senator Curt Weldon, to bring the 9-11-2001 questions before the US Congress and subsequently to the free-thinking citizens of the world.
We have heard him before. No.
The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud. There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible
and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
LOL, no. :sneaky:
 
...
Every Man Man A human being (irrespective of sex or age deserves to be heard and judged on the merit of their words and thoughts.
I applaud and endorse Ron Johnson's mission...
While I agree with the principle, I can't help noticing that Johnson brings very exactly ZERO new and own words and thoughts to the table to be judged upon. He merely picks up the worst of the lies of the misnamed "9/11 Truth Movement" as they align with his anti-American political agenda. And by "anti-American" I mean anti-republican, anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-people, anti-science, anti-reality.

We actually need to judge his judgement to align himself with that tiny fringe bubble that's been spreading ugly lies far too long.
 
*snip*

The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud.
There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
That principle is going to be awkward to follow consistently. I think you will find that few, if any, historical events will qualify as concluded, then.
 
Fonebone said: The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud. There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.

No. Just no.

Ditto.

We have heard him before. No.

LOL, no. :sneaky:
FYI https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19EKeu8uZx/
 
Fonebone said: The original "official investigation" was compromised...
That is always a possibility in an investigation mandated, supervised and carried out by partisan organisations such as parliaments.
But who else, other than US Congress, which by its very nature is a partisan body, would you have trusted and demanded to have that investigation? Be specific!

and a proven fraud.
You have totally no proof for this at all.

There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible and confirmed.
As has already been pointed out, you pretend to go by a criterion of perfection that nothing you actually support in real life could ever actually live up to. Repeating this impossible standard only makes it ever more clear that you are a dishonest agent with clear double standards.

The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Bla bla bla.

Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen
Curt Weldon is a political partisan and thus inately compromised. He has zero commission from "the" firemen.

, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious
Ron Johnson is a very partisan hack and as such deeply compromised. There is no group with standing to demand a new investigation that could legitimately be described as "the curious". That's just BS.

, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
Bla bla bla.
 
Fonebone said: The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud. There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
"Amen, and amen, and amen. You'll have to forgive me, I'm not familiar with the local custom. Where I come from, you always say 'Amen' after you hear a prayer. Because that's what you just heard - a prayer."

Dave
 
Fonebone said: The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud. There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.


FYI https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19EKeu8uZx/
Argumentum ad Facebook? Srsly?? I'm not on socials, pal. You should try it too.
 
The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud
Which investigation, exactly? FBI? FEMA? FDNY? NYPD? ATF? Or do you not know there were already multiple investigations, not counting the insurance companies. and Thai intelligence.

And where is the proof? Just because you don't like the answers doesn't make all of them wrong.
There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible and confirmed.
Truth is a philosophical concept. We deal in facts, and most have been visible since the first plane struck the north tower. Almost 10,000 people worked on the investigation, yet you - a hack - think you know more. It is your right to live in a fantasy world, but you do not have a right to make things up.

The FDNY family members deserve no less,
What do you care about the families of the FDNY? You piss on their dead loved ones with every lie you tell about 911. You don't care about them at all, and your hiding behind them is cowardly.

Americans deserve no less
You mean like invading Iraq because 9-11 Truthers like you in the Bush NSC didn't believe Al Qaeda didn't have a state sponsor? In the end, Iraq and Afghanistan are the direct result of 9-11 Truth-type failures of logic, and clouded judgement. This is a world people like you have created, and now you're just looking to deflect blame for your failure to grasp basic facts.
 
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Curt Weldon, for those like me who didn't recognise the name, is proper sketchy. He is listed in the top 20 corrupt US politicians, and is an all-round crooked scumbag.
fonebone: Why do you believe him? Just because he agrees with you, or is there something more?
(I still don't need a biro, by the way, before you ask.)
 
No, I did not learn... that it does NOT take any explosives at all to make a tall building PANCAKE mostly STRAIGHT down?

No, I did not learn... that the potential energy released by GRAVITY is plenty enough to cause lots and lots of "dustification"?
Thanks.
You didn't learn anything, so what is your point in starting this useless thread
 

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