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Like claiming the Titanic was torpedoed because you've seen pictures of torpedoed ships sinking and the Titanic seemed to sink in exactly the same way
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Buildings collapse into their own footprint
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More like pointing out that a ship can sink in exactly the same way as the Titanic did if it hits a reef, so that proves the Titanic was torpedoed. Yes, it's really that incoherently idiotic.Like claiming the Titanic was torpedoed because you've seen pictures of torpedoed ships sinking and the Titanic seemed to sink in exactly the same way
Dave
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Is the OP's silence one of those embarrassed ones or a haughty, arrogant one? Having trouble reading the room.
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
It's a prelude to a return to the thread in an alternate reality where the OP embarrassed everyone else with a devastatingly unanswerable argument.
Dave
Cosmic Yak
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fonebone is very proud of the fact that they take months, if not years, to reply.
I'll add this to the ever-growing list of 'Things fonebone Is Proud Of, But Shouldn't Be'.
Axxman300
Philosopher
Can we all just take a second to admire this building performing as it was designed in this earthquake:
Seriously, someone buy the engineers, and construction crews beers because this building took it like a champ. Also, don't hire Chinese construction firms. Maybe the building would have had a chance if it was finished, but I suspect they skipped a few steps.
Seriously, someone buy the engineers, and construction crews beers because this building took it like a champ. Also, don't hire Chinese construction firms. Maybe the building would have had a chance if it was finished, but I suspect they skipped a few steps.
novaphile
Quester of Doglets
I've only had a tiny amount of exposure to the problem in Australia, but use of really dodgy construction materials was the issue here in Adelaide.
(Importing cheap panels, and flooring material made of asbestos).
I did watch an electrical inspection video of a Sydney (IIRC) high rise, that was built by a Chinese firm.
The conclusion was that every piece of equipment (switches, fuses, plugs, sockets, junction boxes, cables, etc.) had to be removed and replaced.
The head of the inspection teams said something like:
It's not just that they didn't follow regulations and standards, it looks like no one in the supply chain, or the installation crew, has ever heard of any standard, for any thing.
So I'm guessing, cheapest possible everything, from cheapest possible source, and in the Thailand case, bribing of inspectors (if any exist).
LSSBB
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You are obviously too arrogant to understand Alternative Construction. Or Big Consta must have paid you off.
Oystein
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Kudos for an honest and almost straight answer!
And yes, you are right, you are absolutely correct: You did not learn!
Which is the exact reason why you remain a 9/11 Truther - by the best available definition:
A "9/11 Truther" is a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11.
If you ever learned anything about 9/11 that lifted you out of this essential wrongness, you'd cease being a "Truther" at once!
Fonebone
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One of my favorite virtues
I only learn by applying the Socratic method and employing constant ratiocination
And yes, you are right, you are absolutely correct: You did not learn!
to refine information I admit into memory.
"9/11 Truther - by the best available definition:" ... Urban dictionary only offers three definitions.
Which one best fits?
Heads-up! Kinda late for the conversation but here is one now. Admits he was ...
" a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11" for 21 years
but recently has had his eyes opened and has vowed to ferret-out the truth by
JAQing off in public on the floor of the US Congress.
Educate me.
Oystein
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LOL No!
LOL No!
The one I provided: A "9/11 Truther" is a person who persists in being essentially wrong about 9/11.
This definition all the different, competing and often mutually excluding ways that people are 9/11-Truthing - the Judy-Wooders, the Nukers, the Nanothermitians, the LIHOPers, the Jew-Blamers, the Vicsimmers, the Noplaners, the Remote-controllers, ...
What? Who? LOL! Nonsense.
We've been doing that here for over 15 years now.
But alas, you did not learn. You persist in being wrong. You are still a "9/11 Truther".
JAQing off, we know.
Again, honesty in admitting you don't accept facts.
arthwollipot
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Norman Alexander
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Seriously you are quoting arch-nitwit and spinning eyeball conspiracist Ron Johnson as a proof of 9/11??
Wow. Just wow.
Wow. Just wow.
Cosmic Yak
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You're not wrong. This guy's Wiki page is a shopping list of insanity, cruelty and bigotry.Seriously you are quoting arch-nitwit and spinning eyeball conspiracist Ron Johnson as a proof of 9/11??
Wow. Just wow.
Fonebone, two questions:
1. Do you think Johnson is a reliable source of information? If so, why?
2. If his "investigation" does not prove CD, will you accept that conclusion and change your mind in light of the evidence?
Fonebone
persona non grata
Craig McKee outlines the main stream media's reaction to Senator Ron Johnson's public statements about the collapse of WTC7
and call for a genuine investigation starting at the 4:30 timestamp of this video.
Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces
Questions for you Cosmic: ... Exactly what in Ron Johnson's Wiki page constitutes, in your opinion, demonstrate examples of insanity, cruelty, and bigotry in your shopping list?
--and--
Take note of colonel Anthony Shaffer ( from the link listed above Ron Johnson Wiki / media Smear pieces ) opinion of Wikipedia's veracity
at the 15:50 timestamp. Anthony Shaffer was the team leader of operation Able Danger charged to ID known and suspected terrorists and their
associates and report to authorities them and their foreign comrades in data bases. Listen to Colonel Shaffer's short summary.
Every Man Man A human being (irrespective of sex or age deserves to be heard and judged on the merit of their words and thoughts.
I applaud and endorse Ron Johnson's mission, along with Senator Curt Weldon, to bring the 9-11-2001 questions before the US Congress and subsequently to the free-thinking citizens of the world.
The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud. There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible
and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
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TJM
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Able Danger. Good ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ god.
You mean confirmed to your liking, since we have had 20+ years of visible and confirmed proof that you ignore.
Cosmic Yak
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I would have thought that you, as a fearless, dogged and intrepid truthseeker would have had no trouble at all locating these things in the source I linked to. Did you even look at it, or are you waiting for me to walk you through it?
An endless regression of supposed authorities used to support each other. I really don't care what this random character has to say about Wikipedia. Perhaps you can explain why I should?
None of which answers my question. Why do you accept this person as a reliable and knowledgeable source?
It goes without saying that you have citations for these claims, right? You just forgot to link to them, right?
Oh, get over yourself, dude. This isn't some fearless crusade for truth and justice. This is the stubborn refusal of a dwindling minority of paranoid and ill-informed internet denizens to accept they were wrong. Completely wrong. And encouraged to be wrong by cynical parasites like David Icke, Alex Jones and Richard Gage, who care not one jot about the welfare of the families or the firemen, and are only interested in attention and financial gain.
Norman Alexander
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No. Just no.
Ditto.
We have heard him before. No.
LOL, no.
Oystein
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While I agree with the principle, I can't help noticing that Johnson brings very exactly ZERO new and own words and thoughts to the table to be judged upon. He merely picks up the worst of the lies of the misnamed "9/11 Truth Movement" as they align with his anti-American political agenda. And by "anti-American" I mean anti-republican, anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-people, anti-science, anti-reality.
We actually need to judge his judgement to align himself with that tiny fringe bubble that's been spreading ugly lies far too long.
Please use the dedicated "photo/video anomaly" thread for matters relating to nt1's theories.
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That principle is going to be awkward to follow consistently. I think you will find that few, if any, historical events will qualify as concluded, then.
Fonebone
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Fonebone said: The original "official investigation" was compromised and a proven fraud. There will be no conclusions until all of the truth is visible and confirmed. The FDNY family members deserve no less, Americans deserve no less, and the World deserves no less.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
Curt Weldon will speak for the Firemen, Ron Johnson will speak for the curious, and the courageous will speak for the truth.
FYI https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19EKeu8uZx/No. Just no.
Ditto.
We have heard him before. No.
LOL, no.
Oystein
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That is always a possibility in an investigation mandated, supervised and carried out by partisan organisations such as parliaments.
But who else, other than US Congress, which by its very nature is a partisan body, would you have trusted and demanded to have that investigation? Be specific!
You have totally no proof for this at all.
As has already been pointed out, you pretend to go by a criterion of perfection that nothing you actually support in real life could ever actually live up to. Repeating this impossible standard only makes it ever more clear that you are a dishonest agent with clear double standards.
Bla bla bla.
Curt Weldon is a political partisan and thus inately compromised. He has zero commission from "the" firemen.
Ron Johnson is a very partisan hack and as such deeply compromised. There is no group with standing to demand a new investigation that could legitimately be described as "the curious". That's just BS.
Bla bla bla.
Dave Rogers
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"Amen, and amen, and amen. You'll have to forgive me, I'm not familiar with the local custom. Where I come from, you always say 'Amen' after you hear a prayer. Because that's what you just heard - a prayer."
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Norman Alexander
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Argumentum ad Facebook? Srsly?? I'm not on socials, pal. You should try it too.
Axxman300
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Which investigation, exactly? FBI? FEMA? FDNY? NYPD? ATF? Or do you not know there were already multiple investigations, not counting the insurance companies. and Thai intelligence.
And where is the proof? Just because you don't like the answers doesn't make all of them wrong.
Truth is a philosophical concept. We deal in facts, and most have been visible since the first plane struck the north tower. Almost 10,000 people worked on the investigation, yet you - a hack - think you know more. It is your right to live in a fantasy world, but you do not have a right to make things up.
What do you care about the families of the FDNY? You piss on their dead loved ones with every lie you tell about 911. You don't care about them at all, and your hiding behind them is cowardly.
You mean like invading Iraq because 9-11 Truthers like you in the Bush NSC didn't believe Al Qaeda didn't have a state sponsor? In the end, Iraq and Afghanistan are the direct result of 9-11 Truth-type failures of logic, and clouded judgement. This is a world people like you have created, and now you're just looking to deflect blame for your failure to grasp basic facts.
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Cosmic Yak
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Curt Weldon, for those like me who didn't recognise the name, is proper sketchy. He is listed in the top 20 corrupt US politicians, and is an all-round crooked scumbag.
fonebone: Why do you believe him? Just because he agrees with you, or is there something more?
(I still don't need a biro, by the way, before you ask.)
en.wikipedia.org
fonebone: Why do you believe him? Just because he agrees with you, or is there something more?
(I still don't need a biro, by the way, before you ask.)
Curt Weldon - Wikipedia
bknight
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You didn't learn anything, so what is your point in starting this useless thread
Fonebone
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Even AI is demonstrating symmetrical building collapse complete with crush-up and mound of powdered debris pile.
Just like the three WTC towers on 9-11.
Just like the three WTC towers on 9-11.
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Steve
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Well isn't that special. Artificial Idiocy can be made to agree with real life idiocy
.gabeygoat
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FFS, I actually do worry about conspiracy folks relying on AI as reality.
Axxman300
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A.I. thinks a lot of things are real, depending on who's asking:
Oystein
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Today's AI's are language models. They don't do physics models. What they demonstrate to you is what they find on the internet people before have been thinking. There is however precious little data on the visuals of highrise collapses to draw from.
No. Just no. There is NO crush-up in the video you present: The top two floors are virtually unchanged as they reach ground level.
No. Just no. At the end of the video, you see debris mostly in large chunks, with extremely little dust, let alone "powder"
No. Just no. There is no footage of crush-up for any of the three WTC tower collapses - in all three cases, the top descends into the obscurity of dust clouds before any crush-up has occurred.
Such a short "Truther" post, yet so much fail!