Boycotting US products.

Are you boycotting US products?

  • Yes, as much as possible.

    Votes: 21 52.5%

  • Yes, but only certain products.

    Votes: 9 22.5%

  • No.

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Don't care.

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • On Planet X we're all Americans so resistance is futile!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    40
Ziggurat said:
I'm extremely amused by the people who are suggesting buying Chinese goods instead of American because they don't like Trump.
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Really? Considering that a lot of American products use material sourced from China... Probably even the Made in America labels.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm extremely amused by the people who are suggesting buying Chinese goods instead of American because they don't like Trump.
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Yeah good call. It's just that I don't like Trump. Maybe even that's a bit harsh. I guess I just find him a tad off-putting is all.

Its certainly has nothing to do with the fact that on Tuesday he may launch a trade war that could very well end the business I've spent half my life building. And its surely not related to the constant threats of annexation or juvenile insults directed at our government.

No, you're right, its just that I find him a little moody.

Lets be clear. The only thing you are "extremely amused" by is the cruelty being played out in front of you.
 
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Ziggurat said:
I'm extremely amused by the people who are suggesting buying Chinese goods instead of American because they don't like Trump.
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That can't be any more ridiculous than Trump himself.

And I'm extremely amused that that's all you've got to say since the Trump/Zelensky débacle.
 
LiteBright said:
Lets be clear. The only thing you are "extremely amused" by is the cruelty being played out in front of you.
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You want to cite cruelty as a reason to prefer China to the US?

How ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ deep have you buried your head in the sand?
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm extremely amused by the people who are suggesting buying Chinese goods instead of American because they don't like Trump.
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Why are you amused by people who are rightfully concerned about actions that could deeply affect their futures?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
for starters, one will be around longer than the other, so it's foolish to base your long-term planning on the 78 year old 2nd term President.
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Quite so. Which is why a boycott of the US under Trump is far more pointless than a boycott of China.
 
Ziggurat said:
Quite so. Which is why a boycott of the US under Trump is far more pointless than a boycott of China.
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non sequitur.

But if you are looking for Impact for Impact's sake, again, not contributing to an economy under the leadership of Trump is more effective than opposing the one under the Central Committee - just from the trade volume and out ability to target companies and sectors.
 
Ziggurat said:
Do you? Because you don’t act like it. What is China’s long term plan?
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To become a military and economic superpower by effectively dealing with reality, rather than deluded and wishful thinking.

Europe and the UK need to plan for that happening to defend our values that are not compatible with the regime in China.
 
Ziggurat said:
You think China is better for your future than Trump? Why?
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China: Yo guys, we can sell you stuff cheeeeaaappp. Anything your heart desires. We make mad volume profit and you get cheap goods.

Trump: we're going to financially cripple you right here and now if you don't lay at our feet and obey.

Yeah, I'm seeing the problem.

You can certainly argue that it's unwise to over-rely on China, as I have argued. But Trump is a here and now economy wrecking threat. It's the difference between knowing China keeps a gun in the house and might turn it on you someday, and Trump actively firing at you.
 
Ziggurat said:
You think China is better for your future than Trump? Why?
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You seem to have considerable difficulty understanding my question. Here it is again. Comprehension before responding would be advantageous:

Why are you amused by people who are rightfully concerned about actions that could deeply affect their futures?
 
Steve said:
You seem to have considerable difficulty understanding my question. Here it is again. Comprehension before responding would be advantageous:

Why are you amused by people who are rightfully concerned about actions that could deeply affect their futures?
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Oh, I understand your question. I also recognize that you created a strawman. You characterization of my post doesn’t actually match what I said. The inclusion of China in my statement wasn’t incidentaI, but your response doesn’t even recognize its inclusion. I will avoid jumping to conclusions about whether you honestly couldn’t understand my point, or deliberately chose dishonesty.
 
Ziggurat said:
Oh, I understand your question. I also recognize that you created a strawman. You characterization of my post doesn’t actually match what I said. The inclusion of China in my statement wasn’t incidentaI, but your response doesn’t even recognize its inclusion. I will avoid jumping to conclusions about whether you honestly couldn’t understand my point, or deliberately chose dishonesty.
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I did not characterize your post #80. I quoted it verbatim. I can accept that you possibly meant something different than what you actually wrote, if that is what you are trying to imply here. But delight at the misfortune of others is unfortunately a very common trait among the American right wing that you support so enthusiastically. Your posts have not shown reason to believe your views are otherwise. And you have made no attempt to clarify that your views are otherwise. In the absence of such clarification you your post stands that you are amused by the misfortune of others.
 
As for the 'not my president', 'just wait four years' and other farcical excuses.
The president of the US in the past two months has declared his intent to annex all the landmass on the North American continent, has declared that countries attacked by dictators should fold and just give in, and if they don't they are at fault, has declared that any trade deal with the US should only benefit the US, has declared that a decades old security alliance should just be torn up or reformed into one of subject nations to the US etc etc.
All without a peep of protest from the supposed 'checks and balances' or any meaningful protest from the US populace.
So forgive me for not being moved by the pearl clutching 'but you can't hurt poor innocent US citizens by boycotting them'. The US public clearly favors these actions with a clear majority and should therefore also feel the consequences.
 
LiteBright said:
No...you're flat out lying. I said that some people had resorted to that. I didn't say I approved of it
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This isn't you?

LiteBright said:
Our company's label supplier sent a mass email to its customer base offering free rolls or pressure sensitive labels (stickers to the layman) with an upside down US flag and the words "Don't buy American". The idea being to stick these on American made products in stores.
I have been doing my part, surreptitiously sticking them to american products in the grocery store like pop tarts, heinz ketchup, cambells soup etc. Some people have taken it a step further, actually damaging products. I've seen photos of cereal boxes knocked to the floor and stomped on to make them unsaleable. This may seem over the top but as far as I'm concerned, America has declared economic war and we are now on a war footing. Never in my 50 years have I seen anti-american sentiment as high as it is right now. You've awakened the bear america, get ready to deal with it.
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To me that looks like you're committing vandalism, and endorsing more vandalism. All with the excuse that you're "at war" with America.

Also I share Ziggurat's bemusement, that you dislike Trump more than Xi.
 
theprestige said:
This isn't you?


To me that looks like you're committing vandalism, and endorsing more vandalism. All with the excuse that you're "at war" with America.

Also I share Ziggurat's bemusement, that you dislike Trump more than Xi.
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Applying a small sticker to a product to assist other consumers who also may not want to buy products produced by a declared enemy nation is not vandalism. The product remains saleable and no one here loses anything.

And I have never said one word about Xi or China in this thread but since you have both tried to craft another straw man from chinese straw, let me speak to that. I hate them both. After all Xi takes ethnic minorities he doesn't like and sends them to concentration camps in Guantanamo Bay Xinjiang. He also threatens to take over and destroy democracy in neighbouring nations like Canada Taiwan. So yeah, Xi is a really bad guy and China is a problem for the world.

But when it comes to a clear and present danger to me and my family, my neighbours and friends, The United States of America is now number one by a long stretch. So be amused all you want. I'll enjoy watching you giggle like a schoolgirl as you circle the drain of history.
 
Steve said:
I did not characterize your post #80.
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Yes you did. You said, "Why are you amused by people who are rightfully concerned about actions that could deeply affect their futures?" That's a characterization of my post. You claim that's what amuses me. But it's not. That's not what I said. My entire point, which you have studiously ignored, is that China is a much bigger threat to most people's futures than Trump is. You tried to reverse that, based on a serious misreading of my post. I just don't know whether it was accidental or deliberate, but it doesn't really matter.
Steve said:
I can accept that you possibly meant something different than what you actually wrote
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You are remarkably bad at interpreting what I wrote.
Steve said:
But delight at the misfortune of others
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I expressed no delight at anyone's misfortune. I expressed amusement at a particular choice some people were making. The people who are making that choice may or may not be experiencing misfortune, and they may or may not be motivated by that misfortune, but the choice is distinct from their misfortune, and is unlikely to help.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
We know the Chinese regime is ruthless, brutal and has an appalling humans right record. What's your point? It's not about supporting China. It's about trying to retaliate against hostile action taken by the USA towards former allies.
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Because raising tariffs is worse than genocide.

But of course, that concern only goes one way. There's no problem if one of those allies has higher tariffs on US goods than the US has on their goods. The US has no right to be upset about that, and certainly no right to try to do anything about it.
 
LiteBright said:
And I have never said one word about Xi or China in this thread
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Others have. There have been specific references to substituting Chinese goods for American goods. If, say, a Belgian wants to substitute an Italian product for an American product, I see no hypocrisy. It's not really a moral act, it's an act of self-interest in a trade dispute, but that's OK, not everything has to be a moral act. But the idea that substituting Chinese goods for American goods is somehow a positive step for the world? Yeah, that's laughable.
LiteBright said:
But when it comes to a clear and present danger to me and my family, my neighbours and friends, The United States of America is now number one by a long stretch
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Oh please. Because he makes fun of Canada and threatens tariffs? Boo ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ hoo. Trump isn't going to invade anyone, and if you think there's any actual risk of military action against Canada, you're an idiot.
 
LiteBright said:
Applying a small sticker to a product to assist other consumers who also may not want to buy products produced by a declared enemy nation is not vandalism. The product remains saleable and no one here loses anything.
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The store's shelves and inventory are not your venue for you to express your opinions. So yes, it is vandalism.

I'm not going to argue the point with you. Tell yourself it's not vandalism. Tell yourself you're providing a valuable service to the community.

I'm still calling it vandalism, and I'm still saying you're in the wrong.
 
Ziggurat said:
Because raising tariffs is worse than genocide.

But of course, that concern only goes one way. There's no problem if one of those allies has higher tariffs on US goods than the US has on their goods. The US has no right to be upset about that, and certainly no right to try to do anything about it.
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No one is suggesting seeking out Chinese goods in place of American goods. People are suggesting not buying American goods. That may mean buying Chinese goods instead of American goods.

Threatening large blanket tariffs against allies is an act of economic warfare, not an reasonable response to a relatively minor trade dispute between them. It's also stupid from an economic perspective. Americans will just end up paying higher prices for many more goods.
 
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