Boycotting US products.

Are you boycotting US products?

  • Yes, as much as possible.

    Votes: 21 52.5%
  • Yes, but only certain products.

    Votes: 9 22.5%
  • No.

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • Don't care.

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • On Planet X we're all Americans so resistance is futile!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    40
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Lately I've been doing my best to avoid buying American stuff because I am royally pissed at the US Gov't. I don't tell other people to do the same or shame them if don't. I live in a very small town with only one small co-op, but over the last two weeks I noticed that most US brands were left almost untouched on the shelves. Then I noticed the same thing in a supermarket in the large city where I work. Now one of the large retail chains here in Denmark are starting to put a small black star next to European produced goods. I don't know if it will have any effect overall, I'm just interested in hearing about your opinions and experiences.
 
As I've stated elsewhere, I only buy European and Canadian beer now. That will surely help worsening the US trade deficit and teach them to behave.

I generally don't buy much other US goods either. Low quality crap, mostly anyways. American hops for homebrewing IPA:s is hard to substitute, though. Some decent stuff is grown in Germany.
 
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I am definitely changing my shopping habits due to Trump's attacks on Canada. Many stores are putting shelf tags by Canadian products to help consumers make informed choices.

I've cancelled my amazon, netflix, NYT, New Yorker and other subs and accounts and they are not coming back.

I am buying a new car in a few months and American brands or american manufactured cars are off the list. I'm not even interested. Several Tesla dealerships have been vandalized with swastikas.

I put a piece of land I own in Florida up for sale because I no longer have interest in owning a peice of a second-world ◊◊◊◊ hole. The agent warned me that I might have to accept a low ball offer or wait weeks or months to sell because dozens of Canadians are selling their trailers, condos and vacation homes there. And that's just the experience of one agent. Multiply that by hundreds and it may have a material impact on house prices there. Good!

Our company's label supplier sent a mass email to its customer base offering free rolls or pressure sensitive labels (stickers to the layman) with an upside down US flag and the words "Don't buy American". The idea being to stick these on American made products in stores. I have been doing my part, surreptitiously sticking them to american products in the grocery store like pop tarts, heinz ketchup, cambells soup etc. Some people have taken it a step further, actually damaging products. I've seen photos of cereal boxes knocked to the floor and stomped on to make them unsaleable.

This may seem over the top but as far as I'm concerned, America has declared economic war and we are now on a war footing. Never in my 50 years have I seen anti-american sentiment as high as it is right now. You've awakened the bear america, get ready to deal with it.
 
I'm trying to, but unfortunately my partner purchases most of the consumables in our place and he's not at all interested in politics. So he'll buy whatever catches his eye without regard for where it was made.
 
I try to buy as much ethically produced and sourced products as possible and affordable - so a lot of US made stuff is out.
I also try to avoid vaccinating in Trump Country.
 
American here. This is really making me rethink boycotting.

Do y'all think cancelling a NYT subscription is giving Trump what for? It's just hurting a newspaper. Boycotting private businesses (especially with the promise of doing so in perpetuity) is going after the wrong people, and for long after the guy who is not affected by the boycott has gone on his merry way.
 
I might avoid a particular product if the manufacturer was a particularly fervent Trump supporter. Like, I haven't bought any Teslas lately. (Or indeed ever, but that's because I don't spend that much on cars.) I'm not interested in an untargetted general boycott.
 
I try to buy as much ethically produced and sourced products as possible and affordable - so a lot of US made stuff is out.
I also try to avoid
vaccinating in Trump Country.
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I can understand why you might choose to do so; particularly with RFK junior in post. But vaccinating is an anti-Trump action and is of greatest benefit to the poorest who will be most harmed by Trump's policies so perhaps you should continue?
 
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I can understand why you might choose to do so; particularly with RFK junior in post. But vaccinating is an anti-Trump action and is of greatest benefit to the poorest who will be most harmed by Trump's policies so perhaps you should continue?
Matthew knows best.
 
American here. This is really making me rethink boycotting.

Do y'all think cancelling a NYT subscription is giving Trump what for? It's just hurting a newspaper. Boycotting private businesses (especially with the promise of doing so in perpetuity) is going after the wrong people, and for long after the guy who is not affected by the boycott has gone on his merry way.

It's the cumulative effect that's important and it's an attempt to get the American public to resist and change their government. It might be difficult for you to comprehend (with good reason) the anger and unease I feel when my tiny country is threatened with tariffs or even military action by a supposed ally, but you guys voted that orange menace into office so here we are.

Btw, I'm not a generic "America Bad" type. I've been on four holidays in the US from 1999 to 2019 and loved it every time, especially the people and that just makes this whole thing sting even more.
 
It's the cumulative effect that's important and it's an attempt to get the American public to resist and change their government. It might be difficult for you to comprehend (with good reason) the anger and unease I feel when my tiny country is threatened with tariffs or even military action by a supposed ally, but you guys voted that orange menace into office so here we are.

Btw, I'm not a generic "America Bad" type. I've been on four holidays in the US from 1999 to 2019 and loved it every time, especially the people and that just makes this whole thing sting even more.
We love you man. And we're sorry about the Trump thing. The majority of us didn't vote for him. We didn't want this either.
 
I am definitely changing my shopping habits due to Trump's attacks on Canada. Many stores are putting shelf tags by Canadian products to help consumers make informed choices.

I've cancelled my amazon, netflix, NYT, New Yorker and other subs and accounts and they are not coming back.

I am buying a new car in a few months and American brands or american manufactured cars are off the list. I'm not even interested. Several Tesla dealerships have been vandalized with swastikas.

I put a piece of land I own in Florida up for sale because I no longer have interest in owning a peice of a second-world ◊◊◊◊ hole. The agent warned me that I might have to accept a low ball offer or wait weeks or months to sell because dozens of Canadians are selling their trailers, condos and vacation homes there. And that's just the experience of one agent. Multiply that by hundreds and it may have a material impact on house prices there. Good!

Our company's label supplier sent a mass email to its customer base offering free rolls or pressure sensitive labels (stickers to the layman) with an upside down US flag and the words "Don't buy American". The idea being to stick these on American made products in stores. I have been doing my part, surreptitiously sticking them to american products in the grocery store like pop tarts, heinz ketchup, cambells soup etc. Some people have taken it a step further, actually damaging products. I've seen photos of cereal boxes knocked to the floor and stomped on to make them unsaleable.

This may seem over the top but as far as I'm concerned, America has declared economic war and we are now on a war footing. Never in my 50 years have I seen anti-american sentiment as high as it is right now. You've awakened the bear america, get ready to deal with it.
Yes, punishing Canadian retailers and their employees is totally waging economic war on the US.

Why not burn down a Loblaw's, to punish them for doing business with Perfidious Columbia? Punish their insurer too, for the treachery inherent in insuring someone who does business with the enemy.

But first, of course, punish the poor Canadians who dare to take the traitor's dollar in exchange for cleaning up after your tanty.
 
Yes, punishing Canadian retailers and their employees is totally waging economic war on the US.

Lol wut? How is it punishing the retailers or their employees? The retailers will just carry more Canadian made products. I also hate to be Captain Obvious here but the retailers are the ones putting the stickers on the product to help the Canadians identify the items that are made in the US.

Seriously, what the ◊◊◊◊ are you talking about?
 
American here. This is really making me rethink boycotting.

Do y'all think cancelling a NYT subscription is giving Trump what for? It's just hurting a newspaper. Boycotting private businesses (especially with the promise of doing so in perpetuity) is going after the wrong people, and for long after the guy who is not affected by the boycott has gone on his merry way.

I disagree entirely. As Hercules Rockefeller pointed out, its not about punishing any one business or person but rather the cumulative effect on the American economy in general. You are correct that the NYT, for instance, is not responsible in any way for the Trump presidency but if keeping my sub with that paper pumps one cent into a country that is threatening me and my family with economic ruin or even annexation, I have no interest.

I harbour no animosity against individual Americans. I count many among my closest friends. I have travelled there extensively and visited probably 30 states. But at the end of the day, America is not discriminating about whose lives they ruin here so why should I make an effort to target my tiny retaliatory measures against the people who most directly enabled this looming disaster? Whether you voted for the orange clown or not, he is your leader and the pain he inflicts will be felt by all.

If the worst of Trump's tariff threats comes to pass, there is a very good chance that the business I have spent half my life building will go under. My staff will lose their jobs, some of them may lose their homes and their children will lose opportunity. The knock on effects will be felt for a generation or morre.

At least you had the opportunity to vote. I didn't, and yet I will feel the full wrath of America's mistake. Why shouldn't you?
 
I buy what I can afford, is supported if that is important.
I don't care where it came from in most things.

That said the US has boycotted itself by outsourcing jobs, closing factories and generally peeing all over what is healthy capitalism.
I don't have to make any effort to buy Chinese made US brands and get good stuff at the price point.
I doubt the current reich in the US has any plans to reverse the damages Gump has caused, rather advance the damages.

Stupid is as stupid does....
 
Yes, punishing Canadian retailers and their employees is totally waging economic war on the US.

Why not burn down a Loblaw's, to punish them for doing business with Perfidious Columbia? Punish their insurer too, for the treachery inherent in insuring someone who does business with the enemy.

But first, of course, punish the poor Canadians who dare to take the traitor's dollar in exchange for cleaning up after your tanty.

Elon? Is that you?

Choosing to buy non-American products and brands is not harming Canadian retailers or workers in the least. They may feel some temporary discomfort while they adjust their supply chains but nothing more than that.

To be clear, I am not participating or advocating the destruction of american products, I only used that as an example of how livid some people are with the threats being lobbed at us by your imbecilic president.

And Columbia? Seriously? Is Columbia threatening me with economic ruin? Is Columbia threatening my country with annexation? Is Columbia's irresponsible gun fetishism leading directly to deaths on the streets of my city? Good grief!
 
I disagree entirely. As Hercules Rockefeller pointed out, its not about punishing any one business or person but rather the cumulative effect on the American economy in general. You are correct that the NYT, for instance, is not responsible in any way for the Trump presidency but if keeping my sub with that paper pumps one cent into a country that is threatening me and my family with economic ruin or even annexation, I have no interest.

I harbour no animosity against individual Americans. I count many among my closest friends. I have travelled there extensively and visited probably 30 states. But at the end of the day, America is not discriminating about whose lives they ruin here so why should I make an effort to target my tiny retaliatory measures against the people who most directly enabled this looming disaster? Whether you voted for the orange clown or not, he is your leader and the pain he inflicts will be felt by all.

If the worst of Trump's tariff threats comes to pass, there is a very good chance that the business I have spent half my life building will go under. My staff will lose their jobs, some of them may lose their homes and their children will lose opportunity. The knock on effects will be felt for a generation or morre.

At least you had the opportunity to vote. I didn't, and yet I will feel the full wrath of America's mistake. Why shouldn't you?
We love you. We're sorry, and we're trying to get rid of him too.
 
Lol wut? How is it punishing the retailers or their employees? The retailers will just carry more Canadian made products. I also hate to be Captain Obvious here but the retailers are the ones putting the stickers on the product to help the Canadians identify the items that are made in the US.

Seriously, what the ◊◊◊◊ are you talking about?
I'm talking about the vandalism.
 
Yes, punishing Canadian retailers and their employees is totally waging economic war on the US.

Why not burn down a Loblaw's, to punish them for doing business with Perfidious Columbia? Punish their insurer too, for the treachery inherent in insuring someone who does business with the enemy.

But first, of course, punish the poor Canadians who dare to take the traitor's dollar in exchange for cleaning up after your tanty.
I mean, this internet trend about Americans who live in a bubble seems to be true. America isn't the only country that produces goods, you know. Canadian retailers can always source products from their own backyard or even other countries.
 
Australia Imports from United StatesValueYear
Meat and edible meat offal$201.40M2023
Toys, games, sports requisites$195.29M2023
Arms and ammunition, parts and accessories$186.00M2023
Dairy products, eggs, honey, edible products$182.80M2023

These are our top 4 imports from the USA. None of these are critical to us. We have world-class meat, dairy and honey industries in-country which also export to non-US clients (I suspect the $200 million is expensive Spam). The toys are now mostly coming from China and South East Asia. Our Army uses Austrian rifles (Austeyr) and the police use Glocks. Cars? From China and South Korea now.

I think we can live without any further US imports for quite some time. There's plenty of other closer, better clients we can negotiate with. No imports, no tariffs to pay. Screw you, Trump.
 
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I mean, this internet trend about Americans who live in a bubble seems to be true. America isn't the only country that produces goods, you know. Canadian retailers can always source products from their own backyard or even other countries.
Yes, I know all that. But vandalizing Canadian grocery stores that happen to have American products is a bad thing. Your post says nothing at all about that.
 
Yes, I know all that. But vandalizing Canadian grocery stores that happen to have American products is a bad thing. Your post says nothing at all about that.
You seem to be intent on taking this thread into a direction that wasn't intended just so you have something to argue against.

I think the majority of us can agree that vandalizing american products in Canadian stores is not the best way to target america. I only mentioned it as an aside to illustrate the anger brewing in one of america's former staunch allies.

Do you have an actual argument against boycotting american goods? If so, lets hear it.
 
Do you have an actual argument against boycotting american goods? If so, lets hear it.
Not directed at me, but:

'America' is not the Orange ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ in office right now. And thus far, he is mostly sabre rattling, not actually delivering on threats, and let's face it, he is not really big on following through with anything he says he's going to do. And his yapping is not supported by pretty much anyone here. Our own judges are stopping him.from doing what he says he will do.

So by boycotting American businesses untargeted, you're actually lashing out at your allies down here. Target the Muskrat's businesses, sure, and any other supporter of Agent Orange, but not the people who actually love y'all and are supporting you and who also want Trump to crawl back under his rock. Target your enemy, not carpet bomb the continent.
 
Not directed at me, but:

'America' is not the Orange ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ in office right now. And thus far, he is mostly sabre rattling, not actually delivering on threats, and let's face it, he is not really big on following through with anything he says he's going to do. And his yapping is not supported by pretty much anyone here. Our own judges are stopping him.from doing what he says he will do.

So by boycotting American businesses untargeted, you're actually lashing out at your allies down here. Target the Muskrat's businesses, sure, and any other supporter of Agent Orange, but not the people who actually love y'all and are supporting you and who also want Trump to crawl back under his rock. Target your enemy, not carpet bomb the continent.
And how, precisely, are citizens of foreign countries supposed to "target" Trump himself, and not the US? What effective actions could they take?

I'm dismissing "thoughts and prayers" from consideration, as well as "snarky remarks on the internet" as being the left-wing equivalent of that.
 
I disagree entirely. As Hercules Rockefeller pointed out, its not about punishing any one business or person but rather the cumulative effect on the American economy in general. You are correct that the NYT, for instance, is not responsible in any way for the Trump presidency but if keeping my sub with that paper pumps one cent into a country that is threatening me and my family with economic ruin or even annexation, I have no interest.

I harbour no animosity against individual Americans. I count many among my closest friends. I have travelled there extensively and visited probably 30 states. But at the end of the day, America is not discriminating about whose lives they ruin here so why should I make an effort to target my tiny retaliatory measures against the people who most directly enabled this looming disaster? Whether you voted for the orange clown or not, he is your leader and the pain he inflicts will be felt by all.

If the worst of Trump's tariff threats comes to pass, there is a very good chance that the business I have spent half my life building will go under. My staff will lose their jobs, some of them may lose their homes and their children will lose opportunity. The knock on effects will be felt for a generation or morre.

At least you had the opportunity to vote. I didn't, and yet I will feel the full wrath of America's mistake. Why shouldn't you?
Their nomalisation of republican party politics over the last thirty years and their refusal to tell the world what Trampy actually is contributed to the current situation.
 
Not directed at me, but:

'America' is not the Orange ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ in office right now. And thus far, he is mostly sabre rattling, not actually delivering on threats, and let's face it, he is not really big on following through with anything he says he's going to do. And his yapping is not supported by pretty much anyone here. Our own judges are stopping him.from doing what he says he will do.

So by boycotting American businesses untargeted, you're actually lashing out at your allies down here. Target the Muskrat's businesses, sure, and any other supporter of Agent Orange, but not the people who actually love y'all and are supporting you and who also want Trump to crawl back under his rock. Target your enemy, not carpet bomb the continent.

I don't disagree with your POV but there is a lot to unpack here.

First off, I think we all understand that Trump's rhetoric is mostly just talk. But at the same time its talk from the most powerful person on the planet (apologies to Elon) so at a certain level it must be taken seriously. If you compare what we all thought of what he would do in 2016 vs now, its not hard to see that even if he does not follow through on every specific promise, we have to be concerned about the direction he and his merry band of idiots is taking things. Furthermore, we don't have the numbers yet, but its very likely that the threats of tariffs alone have pushed Canada's economy into recession territory. My business, for example, has had roughly 40% of the orders we had booked for this year cancelled and that is before a single tariff has been charged. Continued threats alone will force me to lay off hard working people.

Secondly, I would much prefer if it were possible to target my response directly against those who enabled this disaster, but such a thing is really not possible in any meaningful way. So I have the choice, do something symbolic or do something that may have meaning but also may inflict some collateral damage. I've chosen the latter because its really the only tool I have. I fully understand that my efforts, even if duplicated by people right across Canada will have, at best, a limited effect on the american behemoth and can not even compare to the hellstorm that is coming our way in return. So I don't feel too bad about it, its not like anyone is going to die or lose their homes from my actions. Additionally, as I said earlier, america is not discriminating about whose lives will be ruined here, so why should I be expected to exercise discretion about who faces minor setbacks there? Its the equivilent of america sending a barrage of artillery my way and you're asking me to make sure the mosquito I send in return only bites someone who deserves it.

Even if every Canadian boycotted every american product they could (which is never going to happen given we have our share of conservative nutbags too), the net effect would be maybe 30% of american companies having a 10% drop in sales. Its a trifiling response.

Finally, even a blanket boycott is extremely difficult. I am in a better position than most people here to know what is made where, at least in the food industry that my business serves, and its difficult even for me to devine what is american and what is not. Canada and america have been enjoying the mutual benefits of free trade for 30 years now and the supply chains have become so integrated that a majority of products in the grocery store are not canadian or american but somewhere in between. Consider that Tomatoes grown in Leamington, ON cross the border into Michigan and are made into ketchup which is then brought back and sold here. Onions grown in the US are processed into frozen onion rings by a company here. Frito Lay has several plants in Canada that employ thousands of Canadians and make snacks from Canadian grown potatos and corn but being an american brand, the profits all flow back to the US. Are those Canadian or american products? The answer is both. So the number of truly american products that are even worth boycotting is vanishingly small.

There are no perfect answers here. All I know is I am living through a situation that is unprecedented in my lifetime and I'm trying to feel my way through it and do whatever I can to assuage my rising anger in the best way possible. I hope you can understand that.
 
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Their nomalisation of republican party politics over the last thirty years and their refusal to tell the world what Trampy actually is contributed to the current situation.
I can't argue that. Although the NYT is one of the better american media outfits left, their treatment of the trump tornado has been woefully inadequate.
 
I don't disagree with your POV but there is a lot to unpack here.

First off, I think we all understand that Trump's rhetoric is mostly just talk. But at the same time its talk from the most powerful person on the planet (apologies to Elon) so at a certain level it must be taken seriously. If you compare what we all thought of what he would do in 2016 vs now, its not hard to see that even if he does not follow through on every specific promise, we have to be concerned about the direction he and his merry band of idiots is taking things. Furthermore, we don't have the numbers yet, but its very likely that the threats of tariffs alone have pushed Canada's economy into recession territory. My business, for example, has had roughly 40% of the orders we had booked for this year cancelled and that is before a single tariff has been charged. Continued threats alone will force me to lay off hard working people.

Secondly, I would much prefer if it were possible to target my response directly against those who enabled this disaster, but such a thing is really not possible in any meaningful way. So I have the choice, do something symbolic or do something that may have meaning but also may inflict some collateral damage. I've chosen the latter because its really the only tool I have. I fully understand that my efforts, even if duplicated by people right across Canada will have, at best, a limited effect on the american behemoth and can not even compare to the hellstorm that is coming our way in return. So I don't feel too bad about it, its not like anyone is going to die or lose their homes from my actions. Additionally, as I said earlier, america is not discriminating about whose lives will be ruined here, so why should I be expected to exercise discretion about who faces minor setbacks there? Its the equivilent of america sending a barrage of artillery my way and you're asking me to make sure the mosquito I send in return only bites someone who deserves it.

Even if every Canadian boycotted every american product they could (which is never going to happen given we have our share of conservative nutbags too), the net effect would be maybe 30% of american companies having a 10% drop in sales. Its a trifiling response.

Finally, even a blanket boycott is extremely difficult. I am in a better position than most people here to know what is made where, at least in the food industry that my business serves, and its difficult even for me to devine what is american and what is not. Canada and america have been enjoying the mutual benefits of free trade for 30 years now and the supply chains have become so integrated that a majority of products in the grocery store are not canadian or american but somewhere in between. Consider that Tomatoes grown in Leamington, ON cross the border into Michigan and are made into ketchup which is then brought back and sold here. Onions grown in the US are processed into frozen onion rings by a company here. Frito Lay has several plants in Canada that employ thousands of Canadians and make snacks from Canadian grown potatos and corn but being an american brand, the profits all flow back to the US. Are those Canadian or american products? The answer is both. So the number of truly american products that are even worth boycotting is vanishingly small.

There are no perfect answers here. All I know is I am living through a situation that is unprecedented in my lifetime and I'm trying to feel my way through it and do whatever I can to assuage my rising anger in the best way possible. I hope you can understand that.
Ironically, I've had some domestic customers of my own putting projects off in fear of Trump's tariffs and their presumed fallout (construction contractor, here). So yeah, I get what you are saying about even threatening words having impact.

I think what I am very viscerally rebelling against is that this feels like the 1% fanning the flames of getting the 99% infighting against each other again.

I get that it probably seems right to you to resent the sight of an American flag on goods you are buying when our leader is being blatantly hostile towards you. I guess I can't blame you.
 
Ironically, I've had some domestic customers of my own putting projects off in fear of Trump's tariffs and their presumed fallout (construction contractor, here). So yeah, I get what you are saying about even threatening words having impact.

I think what I am very viscerally rebelling against is that this feels like the 1% fanning the flames of getting the 99% infighting against each other again.

I get that it probably seems right to you to resent the sight of an American flag on goods you are buying when our leader is being blatantly hostile towards you. I guess I can't blame you.
I appreciate that. Its been a good exchange of views. If you ever find yourself coming to Southern Ontario, let me know. I'll buy you a (real) beer. :)
 
I appreciate that. Its been a good exchange of views. If you ever find yourself coming to Southern Ontario, let me know. I'll buy you a (real) beer. :)
Back atcha. And if you ever make it to Scenic South Jersey, I'll treat you to my local microbrew's Honey Porter. It's flipping awesome.
 

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