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[Merged] Bobby Menard has "something" coming! / Menard's Newest Scam...
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I apologize, BaaBaa, I didn't answer your question.
As far as I know Menard is still going by Robert. He says he hates being called Bobby or Bob.
But it is possible he is reinventing himself. There's nothing public on his Facebook page since June or July. He doesn't seem to have anything to do with the new trucker crowd or the TUPOC folks. It's possible he has put the freeman stuff on the shelf.
BaaBaa
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Nothing really spectacular: just an antivaxxer I ran into in an ad on FB, for genetic testing equipment (you crack wise *once* in an ad and Zuck thinks you're running a lab)
I looked at their profile and it was some bog standard freedom! balloon juice.
I looked at their profile and it was some bog standard freedom! balloon juice.
Menard had a fall back career as an inventor/entrepreneur. When he fell out in the freeman community he'd go to work trying to get folks to buy in on the investment phase of his projects.
He was famous for keeping the R&D money and telling investors it was their hard luck that his latest gizmo didn't sell or even get produced.
So he may be making genetic testing equipment and has changed his name in an attempt to avoid having his zero-for-life record catch up with him.
gmanontario
Muse
Maybe Bobby has been in an alcohol and weed induced stupor since Pierre P ran and won his party leadership contest for the Conservative party. FREEDOM!
It's a thought anyway.
It's a thought anyway.
He's watching us here. And as his narcissistic shock lessens little Bobby is likely plotting his next move.
And you are likely right that Bobby sunk into a Moose Head haze after the trucker protest thing.
The truckers saw him as a useless old man and he knew he couldn't risk getting into the fray lest he'd get arrested and the cops would find that outstanding warrant out on him.
Beth Martens dropped him like a bad habit.
There are no more puppy killers to sell legal advice to.
The films, books and lectures never seemed to come about.
What's a fat, balding freeman has-been to do?
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gmanontario
Muse
Easy. When the grift has gone south, when your projects crash and burn all the time, when your credibility sinks into negative numbers and your addictions start to take control, start a cult.
That won't work for Bobby though as he never finishes anything he starts.
I hear a reality show was named after him. The Biggest Loser.
Easy. When the grift has gone south, when your projects crash and burn all the time, when your credibility sinks into negative numbers and your addictions start to take control, start a cult.
That won't work for Bobby though as he never finishes anything he starts.
I hear a reality show was named after him. The Biggest Loser.
Bobby's still got a few followers and there are folks who think everything he does is golden.
My guess is that since his latest debacles he has plumbed these relationships to feed his fantasy that his thoughts and words are magic and can make things happen.
After a bad couple of years Bobby needs the worship and admiration more than he needs money. One option for him is to go back to his roots and try to sell some freeman jibber-jabber. Maybe he gets a few bucks from admirers but most of all he gets to hear people tell him how much they love him.
gmanontario
Muse
I'm sorely trying to resist using my burner FB to truly exaggerate my love for him, his awesome work, the good he has contributed to the world and his dedication to freedumb. it would be fun to see how much he basks in the admiration.
But that burner account has proven useful in the past when he tried to hide crap.
Decisions decisions...
Come on Bobby, I dare you to try and figure out who I am on your pathetic FB page.
I'm sorely trying to resist using my burner FB to truly exaggerate my love for him, his awesome work, the good he has contributed to the world and his dedication to freedumb. it would be fun to see how much he basks in the admiration.
But that burner account has proven useful in the past when he tried to hide crap.
Decisions decisions...
Come on Bobby, I dare you to try and figure out who I am on your pathetic FB page.
Well, one thing is sure Bobby's got a big hole in the middle of him that he tries to fill up with money and praise from his minions.
Since the early 2000's he's been using social media, internet forums, web based "societies", Twitter and e-mail to get the approval he never got from ole daddy.
All his sisters went off and made something of themselves. But Bobby, one of the last kids in the family, had something lacking from the start. . .and everyone saw it. So daddy decided he'd toughen the boy up. Not knowing much about child raising and human psychology all the old man could think to do was ride the poor kid's arse to the point of abuse. He hoped it would make Bobby into a man.
But it turned Bobby into a narcissist who has no trouble scamming wannabe freemen, naive investors and those in legal trouble as long as the resulting praise, money and attention feeds that gapping hole in his soul.
As Bobby pushes 60 and his zero-for-life batting average becomes painfully clear his narcissistic personality disorder becomes more and more evident.
We all can sit back and watch Menard circle the drain.
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Below is the poem Bobby posted on his Facebook page limiting its distribution to his minions. One of whom rolled over on him.
The highlights are mine. . .
So Bobby is now the wise old man coming down from the mountain with the words of truth, saying he danced a life of love!
This is what is referred to as "Magical thinking", or believing that your actions or thoughts will have an influence on events that you can't possibly control.
It is common among individuals with narcissistic personality disorders.
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Bobby, you had gas.
The list of dupes you have harmed with your bogus legal advice is too long to list.
No one can count the people who lost piles of money on your phony inventions and schemes because you won't open you own books.
You have stolen the intellectual property of at least two corporations (Real 3Games and Imaginarium).
You have defended animal abusers.
You have stolen the food filled Tupperware out of the refrigerators of people who were kind enough to let you sleep on their couch.
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gmanontario
Muse
He plays the victim poorly. The idiot mistakes scorn, mocking and apathy as hate, just as a narcissist would.
Exposing his pathetic scams and schemes is not hate, it's a public service. Plus his stand up routine is brutal.
Bobby's, "He's trying to make me hate myself" ruse is wearing thin. The guy that made him hate himself was the old man.
If Bobby had been a real man he'd have found away to honestly deal with what his daddy did to him.
But since he didn't he couldn't nurture Megan and Elizabeth Anne. He was too busy poring whiskey down the hole his old man bored out in the center of his soul.
And every failure since then can be traced back to Bobby's inability to deal with the real problem.
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Bobby's, "He's trying to make hate myself" ruse is wearing thin. The guy that made him hate himself was the old man.
If Bobby had been a real man he'd have found away to honestly deal with what his daddy did to him.
But since he didn't he couldn't nurture Megan and Elizabeth Anne. He was too busy poring whiskey down the hole his old man bored out in the center of his soul.
And every failure since then can be traced back to Bobby's inability to deal with the real problem.
Bobby's Biggest Lies Vol 1. . .
Here's an old post from this January:
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As you all may recall I have been checking out one of Bobby's success stories:
It turns out Mr. Dunn has been replaced by Kim Ferris and she quietly destroys Bobby self-aggrandizing lie!
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Kim Ferris <kim.ferris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.ca>
To:'Austin Rayder'
Fri, Jan 14 at 1:30 PM
Dear Austin Rayder,
Robert Menard was not successful in his representation of the property owner, and the property violation is currently an active file.
Regards,
Kim Ferris
Manager
BYLAW & LICENSING SERVICES
Municipality of North Cowichan
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Menard lied like a dog just to make himself look good on Beth Marten's show and to pretend he has "remedies".
The property is 3141 Sherman Road, North Cowichan. It's the property that "JV" used to rent. Thanks to Bobby "JV" got the shaft. Real estate listings show that the property is not up for sale and is not being used as a rental property. I suspect no one will buy it because JV hasn't settled the matter of the ordered repairs. And since use of the property as a rental is prohibited until the repairs are made JV is out the rent fees.
Thanks to Bobby Menard, freemandia's biggest liar!
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See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13704212&postcount=328
Here's an old post from this January:
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As you all may recall I have been checking out one of Bobby's success stories:
It turns out Mr. Dunn has been replaced by Kim Ferris and she quietly destroys Bobby self-aggrandizing lie!
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Kim Ferris <kim.ferris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.ca>
To:'Austin Rayder'
Fri, Jan 14 at 1:30 PM
Dear Austin Rayder,
Robert Menard was not successful in his representation of the property owner, and the property violation is currently an active file.
Regards,
Kim Ferris
Manager
BYLAW & LICENSING SERVICES
Municipality of North Cowichan
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Menard lied like a dog just to make himself look good on Beth Marten's show and to pretend he has "remedies".
The property is 3141 Sherman Road, North Cowichan. It's the property that "JV" used to rent. Thanks to Bobby "JV" got the shaft. Real estate listings show that the property is not up for sale and is not being used as a rental property. I suspect no one will buy it because JV hasn't settled the matter of the ordered repairs. And since use of the property as a rental is prohibited until the repairs are made JV is out the rent fees.
Thanks to Bobby Menard, freemandia's biggest liar!
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See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13704212&postcount=328
Bobby's Biggest Lies Vol 2. . .
Around 2010 Menard sold freeman wannabe Lance Thatcher an $800 document that was supposed to how he could use Menard's theories to "fight the law" more effectively.
When the methods prescribed by Menard landed Thatcher in hot water Menard tried to get himself off the hook by claiming that Thatcher had not followed his instructions.
But the truth is Menard knew he was selling his magic method to a gullible and unstable person.
https://kamloopsnews.ca/kdn-news-city_region/freeman-frees-himself-of-clothes/
Around 2010 Menard sold freeman wannabe Lance Thatcher an $800 document that was supposed to how he could use Menard's theories to "fight the law" more effectively.
When the methods prescribed by Menard landed Thatcher in hot water Menard tried to get himself off the hook by claiming that Thatcher had not followed his instructions.
But the truth is Menard knew he was selling his magic method to a gullible and unstable person.
https://kamloopsnews.ca/kdn-news-city_region/freeman-frees-himself-of-clothes/
Bobby's Biggest Lies Vol 3. . .
From June of 2021:
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It seems Menard has revealed his latest project.
From his Facebook page:
I reply at the time:
This is freedom valley (a failed attempt at a freeman community) meets cirque de soul (a failed attempt at creating a troupe of traveling artists) from a 56 year-old loser who is addicted to Facebook likes and the rush of a new idea. I suspect Bobby is also trying to distract everyone from his recent disastrous, drunken interview with Beth Martens.
The nub of it is that Menard says he is going to create a small township. In the process acquire the land. Get wannabes to sign off on mortgages for their homes. Convince corporations to donate to this insanity. Create his own sort-of government. . .and get it all made into a TV reality series produced by a novice film maker.
Watch out folks! One way or another the money is going to end up in Bobby's pocket. This is the guy who scammed ACCP subscribers, sold World Freeman Society dupes useless memberships and created a phony video game company, Real 3Games, attempting to get investor's money.
If Bobby follows his usual gambit he's going to need some earnest money up front. There'll be some chatter feigning the progress of the project. Then, after Freeman Valley 2.0 collapses, wannabes will be out their money and the blame will be heaped on governments, banks, corporations and T.V. networks, who just couldn't grasp Bobby's brilliance.
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Over one year later absolutely nothing has happened.
There never was any idea in Bobby's head that he'd do anything more than toot his own horn and maybe raise a little R&D (read: Moosehead) money.
From June of 2021:
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It seems Menard has revealed his latest project.
From his Facebook page:
I reply at the time:
This is freedom valley (a failed attempt at a freeman community) meets cirque de soul (a failed attempt at creating a troupe of traveling artists) from a 56 year-old loser who is addicted to Facebook likes and the rush of a new idea. I suspect Bobby is also trying to distract everyone from his recent disastrous, drunken interview with Beth Martens.
The nub of it is that Menard says he is going to create a small township. In the process acquire the land. Get wannabes to sign off on mortgages for their homes. Convince corporations to donate to this insanity. Create his own sort-of government. . .and get it all made into a TV reality series produced by a novice film maker.
Watch out folks! One way or another the money is going to end up in Bobby's pocket. This is the guy who scammed ACCP subscribers, sold World Freeman Society dupes useless memberships and created a phony video game company, Real 3Games, attempting to get investor's money.
If Bobby follows his usual gambit he's going to need some earnest money up front. There'll be some chatter feigning the progress of the project. Then, after Freeman Valley 2.0 collapses, wannabes will be out their money and the blame will be heaped on governments, banks, corporations and T.V. networks, who just couldn't grasp Bobby's brilliance.
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Over one year later absolutely nothing has happened.
There never was any idea in Bobby's head that he'd do anything more than toot his own horn and maybe raise a little R&D (read: Moosehead) money.
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Well, whadda' ya' know
Right on cue Bobby has a little Freeman Eden in the works and everything is set up for a perfect outcome.
Sound familiar?
Wow, Bobby's managed to touch all his fantasy bases here. . .just the right zoning this time, a restaurant, catering service, a TV show, a micro grow selling to local restaurants and food chains, chickens, goats and a worm farm, too!
I wonder where he got the pictures?
Right on cue Bobby has a little Freeman Eden in the works and everything is set up for a perfect outcome.
Sound familiar?
Wow, Bobby's managed to touch all his fantasy bases here. . .just the right zoning this time, a restaurant, catering service, a TV show, a micro grow selling to local restaurants and food chains, chickens, goats and a worm farm, too!
I wonder where he got the pictures?
gmanontario
Muse
Does this mean Bobby follows all local bylaws, has restaurant inspections by the local health unit (or whatever) and all the appropriate paperwork with the county or region? Food handling certificates if needed? Vendor permits and an HST number? Business licenses and government accounts for payroll tax submission? All personal information required for running a business including SIN numbers?
All permits regarding the use of fertilizers, herbicide and pesticides?
Sure sounds legit to me. We all know how meticulous Bobby is when he runs a grift.
All permits regarding the use of fertilizers, herbicide and pesticides?
Sure sounds legit to me. We all know how meticulous Bobby is when he runs a grift.
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Exactly!
Poor old Bobby's in his usual manic "Look, Daddy, I have wonderful idea" mode.
He really should have found pictures of a better developed plot of land. I mean is this all he and his co-workers (he said "we") have to show for a summer of work?
At this rate he'll have Freeman/Artist Valley up and running by 2030.
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Mojo
Mostly harmless
Does “zoned commercial” mean that he is engaging in commerce?
Yes, He says he's going to build a restaurant and grow food for sale to other restaurants and to a couple of large grocery store chains.
This pitch is left over from some of his earlier look-what-I-am-building tales.
gmanontario
Muse
Each province and sometimes each municipality may have different meanings and restrictions/allowances when a plot is marked for commercial use.
My wife, a real estate law clerk for 40+ years tells me that on most commercial properties there are extra steps to ensure the owner is not doing anything that may be dangerous like manufacturing chemicals without the proper inspection and permissions.
Even the storage of farm equipment and any liquid like gas and oil is heavily restricted and monitored. Most heavily restricted is propane. We had a propane transfer station explode in Toronto, the Sunrise Propane company. I live 45 km away and heard the explosion.
Some municipalities will not let a business owner reside on a commercial property.
Lastly, he appears to be wanting agricultural and commercial. That may not be allowed. Mushroom farming is a complex process that requires very large buildings, too.along with sterilized organic mass and heat controlled areas. Oh yeah lots and lots of straw. And money. No municipality will allow a business without paying all the associated fees.
Another scam to fool the gullible, a pipe dream that will never be successful. As if he cares though as long as the rubes keep giving him beer and weed money.
As I've mentioned before in this thread regarding an earlier similar Galt's Gulch scheme, the thing can be done but it's spectacularly difficult.
Here's a contrasting example of a successful one: The Four Quarters Interfaith Sanctury in rural Artemas, PA. It's an alternative spirituality church, a campground and hospitably facility, and a meadery (they make and sell mead). I think they also have a machine shop and limited specialized agriculture. Orren Whiddon organized it and runs it.
Consider what Orren did to make this happen. First, he worked for twelve years in a high-paying technical job in Washington DC while living off the grid (literally, in a log cabin). Having thereby saved enough money and waited for the right market conditions, he then bought the first large parcel of land and opened Four Quarters, continuing to live in poverty to keep the business running through its first decade. That was in addition to having a large number of volunteers and dues-paying regular members helping out. Orren is one of the most organized, dedicated, socially intelligent, and spiritually "centered" people I've ever met. That's what it takes to make a project like that successful.
Here's a contrasting example of a successful one: The Four Quarters Interfaith Sanctury in rural Artemas, PA. It's an alternative spirituality church, a campground and hospitably facility, and a meadery (they make and sell mead). I think they also have a machine shop and limited specialized agriculture. Orren Whiddon organized it and runs it.
Consider what Orren did to make this happen. First, he worked for twelve years in a high-paying technical job in Washington DC while living off the grid (literally, in a log cabin). Having thereby saved enough money and waited for the right market conditions, he then bought the first large parcel of land and opened Four Quarters, continuing to live in poverty to keep the business running through its first decade. That was in addition to having a large number of volunteers and dues-paying regular members helping out. Orren is one of the most organized, dedicated, socially intelligent, and spiritually "centered" people I've ever met. That's what it takes to make a project like that successful.
gmanontario
Muse
That would be the kind of person to have confidence in. Not a loony loser and liar who has never succeeded at anything including sobriety.
Mead is disgusting though but he is a good person so I can let that slide.
Gord_in_Toronto
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One thing that strikes me (as a bit of an aside) is how bad Menard is at scamming. The Toronto Star is running a series of investigative articles on the activities of Christopher LaVoie who managed to scam otherwise intelligent people into paying thousands of dollars to appear on a reality show that never actually existed. (Actually he did the same thing twice -- once in Montreal and then in Miami).
Four Days: Part 1 He sold top business minds on a TV show that promised to save the world – and make them famous. They handed over thousands. Then reality set in
If you are going to scam people, this is how its done.
It also worries me that these people have never heard of "due diligence" or Google. Perhaps we are just too trusting of our fellow humans.
Four Days: Part 1 He sold top business minds on a TV show that promised to save the world – and make them famous. They handed over thousands. Then reality set in
If you are going to scam people, this is how its done.
It also worries me that these people have never heard of "due diligence" or Google. Perhaps we are just too trusting of our fellow humans.
gmanontario
Muse
He is so bad that he recycles failed scams. No original thinking at all.
As I said above this latest "venture" isn't much more than a list of Bobby's fantasies.
Consistent with his narcissistic personality Bobby seems to think he, overnight, can learn businesses, trades and industries the rest of the world takes decades to master. The result is that he never puts in the time needed to become expert at anything.
He's nearly 60 and he still thinks he's going to wow the world with his (not so) big brain.
But let's get real. Bobby can't do business. He's got no driver's license. He can't fly to a business meeting. He'd have to sneak into Ontario to do business there.
And any company he imagines he's going to sell to or do business with is going to google him once and run for the hills.
Consistent with his narcissistic personality Bobby seems to think he, overnight, can learn businesses, trades and industries the rest of the world takes decades to master. The result is that he never puts in the time needed to become expert at anything.
He's nearly 60 and he still thinks he's going to wow the world with his (not so) big brain.
But let's get real. Bobby can't do business. He's got no driver's license. He can't fly to a business meeting. He'd have to sneak into Ontario to do business there.
And any company he imagines he's going to sell to or do business with is going to google him once and run for the hills.
gmanontario
Muse
I find it unbelievable he doesn't use magic words to avoid the various permits and licenses issued by the mean old provincial and feds.
They're not the boss of him!
Well at least there's lots of ******** to feed the mushrooms.
They're not the boss of him!
Well at least there's lots of ******** to feed the mushrooms.
gmanontario
Muse
Forgot. Hey Bobby figured out who I am in your Facebook page yet?
You're funny in a nauseating way.
You're funny in a nauseating way.
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What's really happening at Bobby Valley?
Considering Bobby's truth challenged history one has to wonder about this latest tale.
He got barred from playing lawyer in B.C. after lying about his success rate (it was zero) to potential clients.
He stole the names of two companies, Real 3Games & Imaginarium, in an attempt to make it seem he was running the companies.
He pretended he had gotten municipalities in Western Canada to pay for his client's court ordered building renovations. That's been proven to be a lie.
I could go on. . .
So one has to wonder what's really happening at Bobby Valley?
Our friends at Quatloos wonder too: https://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&p=294390#p294390
Considering Bobby's truth challenged history one has to wonder about this latest tale.
He got barred from playing lawyer in B.C. after lying about his success rate (it was zero) to potential clients.
He stole the names of two companies, Real 3Games & Imaginarium, in an attempt to make it seem he was running the companies.
He pretended he had gotten municipalities in Western Canada to pay for his client's court ordered building renovations. That's been proven to be a lie.
I could go on. . .
So one has to wonder what's really happening at Bobby Valley?
Our friends at Quatloos wonder too: https://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&p=294390#p294390
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Bobby's losing it right before our eyes. . .
From his Facebook page:
When Eldon Warman went ‘round the bend he showed a relatively recognizable form of lunacy. He got angry, paranoid and violent.
But what I have called the "Warmanization of Robert Menard" is taking a unique turn.
What may appear to be a manic period of heightened productivity and hyper-activity is more likely a narcissist acting out of a desire to exploit and manipulate others.
Bobby needs admiration, attention and dupes. And at this point nothing else matters.
From his Facebook page:
When Eldon Warman went ‘round the bend he showed a relatively recognizable form of lunacy. He got angry, paranoid and violent.
But what I have called the "Warmanization of Robert Menard" is taking a unique turn.
What may appear to be a manic period of heightened productivity and hyper-activity is more likely a narcissist acting out of a desire to exploit and manipulate others.
Bobby needs admiration, attention and dupes. And at this point nothing else matters.
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gmanontario
Muse
Does Bobby realize that paper newsletters went out of style years ago? Especially ones you pay for. Printing cost are covered by a buck a copy? No advertisers before starting? Who would be dumb enough to believe he would actually pay? Everything he does is to benefit his bottom line and nobody else's.
I see more failures on the horizon. Maybe he could try a mimeograph. That way you can print and get high while you're doing it.
I see more failures on the horizon. Maybe he could try a mimeograph. That way you can print and get high while you're doing it.
You nailed it.
Bobby's mindlessly following the cumbersome Druther's Magazine model.
Predictably Bobby seems to think that his business plan will be more credible if he creates a cumbersome board of directors and an old style staff structure. Bobby even sets the goal of giving staff "good jobs with competitive and reasonable benefits and pay."
The ever manipulative Bobby thinks this is the sort of stuff that will get over on potential duped investors.
The amazing thing is that he is just as clueless at 58 as he was at 38.
Gord_in_Toronto
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Now he's getting the idea but he did not say how much each position would cost. I suggest $25,000 for Director and $10,00o per Team Member. Heavy discounts could be available.
Anything to help.
Now he's getting the idea but he did not say how much each position would cost. I suggest $25,000 for Director and $10,00o per Team Member. Heavy discounts could be available.
Anything to help.
Every phony project that Bobby invents has some sort of board or governance which is supposed to pass for due diligence in the minds of the poor dupes he's trying to get over on.
The problem is Bobby doesn't have the knowledge or experience to know how such thinks work in whatever industry or business in which he's pretended to have mastered. One can't tell in this case if Bobby's talking about an editorial or a corporate board. And it seems to have escaped him the boards need rules and by-laws.
But it doesn't make any difference anyway because Bobby's not going to get this newspaper thing done.
You may recall that months ago he fake-launched a gaggle of projects including a film, a series of courses in freeman law, the relaunch of Real 3 Games, a book on the law, a web based interview show and a few other fantasies I can't recall right now.
We might look at the amount of work involved in all these projects and wonder how Bobby thinks he's going to carry all of it off. But doing the work and achieving any goals aren't what Bobby is about.
He's a narcissist. All the phony projects and promises are about maintaining status in his ever shrinking subculture, keeping the adoration of his minions and manipulating any gullibles left who'll buy his BS.
Gord_in_Toronto
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Additionally, he strikes me as a fabulist similar to the guy I referenced in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13906024#post13906024
The difference being that the guy in the Star story is good at making money out of his fantasies.
That's an interesting read.
Lying to people like that is an abuse perpetrated upon them by sociopathic individuals who believe they are not bound by truth.