Caroline13
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Now he's going off on his early life, his first wife's father and his business and so much of his early life. Yikes...
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Biden is stumbling/fumbling on so much
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Now he's going off on his early life, his first wife's father and his business and so much of his early life. Yikes...
plague311
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Caroline13;13546384[edit=xjx388 said:
Probably because no one has a ******* clue what you're talking about. What are you talking about? Do you have examples? A link? Some clarification? A decoder ring?
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sir drinks-a-lot
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So Biden is making a bunch of gaffes and speaks funny and you wanted to share. Is that the point of this thread? If so, I agree, but most people here will not and they'll get angry.
I think it's more interesting to discuss specific policies.
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Belz...
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Older people tend to do that. I mean, real old people.
Biden sure has been more coherent than his competition.
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Cain
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The other day he told a story about what it was like to ride a triceratops. I thought he made it up, but it was plagiarized.
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Kid Eager
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He didn’t make it up - triceratops were a thing.
TheGoldcountry
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Only if by "angry" you mean "laughing so hard I hurt my ribs and got angry."
ETA: In the last six years, I've rarely seen the 45th POTUS manage to complete a coherent sentence, yet people are now blathering about "Dementia Joe." The cognitive dissonance is just overwhelmingly absurd.
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Trebuchet
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Did Caroline watch last night's town hall? Did she comment on it live as I invited the Trumpers to do? Nope.
Stacyhs
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Are you kidding me? She got her info from OANN, Newsmax, or FOX. She didn't bother to watch it herself and form her own opinion. So much easier to be told what to think.
Athyrio
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smartcooky
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Biden speaks like a President. Yes, he is sometimes not 100% coherent, but that doesn't mean he's in a mental crisis.
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I think John Barron agrees.
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Bollocks.
He can actually string words into coherent sentences and use those sentences to transmit ideas, vastly ahead of the Tantrump.
Belz...
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There's a lot to bet that people who say that of Biden don't actually watch his speeches. They probably only check looped 2-second videos of him struggling with one word. Remember what they did with Hillary back in 2016?
Shalamar
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And remember folks, if you show a video of President Biden speaking and talking normally..
It's evidence of the sooper sekret BRAIN DRUGtm that THEY use to make him look good!
It's evidence of the sooper sekret BRAIN DRUGtm that THEY use to make him look good!
Squeegee Beckenheim
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Trump is *still* boasting about "acing" a cognitive test that you only give to people if you think they have dementia. Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. And recognising a drawing of an elephant.
I think that the attacks on Biden's cognition have proven once and for all the adage "what they accuse other people of is what they are actually guilty of".
I think that the attacks on Biden's cognition have proven once and for all the adage "what they accuse other people of is what they are actually guilty of".
Belz...
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No he wasn't. Or do you consider any mistake while speaking to be stumbling and fumbling?
plague311
Great minds think...
A) It's not a whataboutism to point out the hypocrisy of "stumbling and fumbling" only becoming an issue now. Trump did it a bunch.
B) He has a speaking disorder that's well documented.
C) He has recognized it and acknowledged it. Something the previous POTUS couldn't even handle.
If he was talking like the guy in The Great Outdoors who got struck by lightning 66 times in the head, then fine. I would have an issue. An older guy with a known speaking disorder getting hung up seems standard to me.
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Stacyhs
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Biden does have a tendency to digress and to say in 10 words what he could say in 5, but he has always done that. It's just part of his personality and speaking style. In no way is it an indication of senility or dementia. However, Republican pundits, etc use edited and taken out of context videos to make it appear that he has lost the plot:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/05/bidens-verbal-blunders-separating-real-fake/
dudalb
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I will take Biden's occssionally verbal stumble over the stream of consicouness rants and just complete crap we got from Donniw in New York Second.
sir drinks-a-lot
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I love it. Even far-right sources such as TIME Magazine and ABC News are whooping it up over Biden's gaffes, but here we get avoidance or attempts at defense.
Why not just admit he's gaffe prone and save yourself the trouble of concocting a convoluted explanation? You can still bring up Trump afterwards if it makes you feel better, but you're not going to have much progress denying Joe's unique stylings.
But then again, keep 'em coming...
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Why not just admit he's gaffe prone and save yourself the trouble of concocting a convoluted explanation? You can still bring up Trump afterwards if it makes you feel better, but you're not going to have much progress denying Joe's unique stylings.
But then again, keep 'em coming...
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I love it. Even far-right sources such as TIME Magazine and ABC News are whooping it up over Biden's gaffes, but here we get avoidance or attempts at defense.
Why not just admit he's gaffe prone and save yourself the trouble of concocting a convoluted explanation? You can still bring up Trump afterwards if it makes you feel better, but you're not going to have much progress denying Joe's unique stylings.
But then again, keep 'em coming...
Those are media outlets making copy and selling advertising.
I don't think anyone here is saying that Biden doesn't make the occasional gaffe. They are saying, "so what?"
They are saying they don't care.
They are saying it pales in comparison to his predecessor who said and did something moronic every day and often many times a day.
They also notice the blatant hypocrisy of posts like yours.
Feel free to present your posts focusing on Trump's gaffes the last 4 years and I will acknowledge that you aren't just being a partisan hypocrite.
Thermal
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Yeah, Pres Biden is not a great orator, or even a passable one. He also has a diagnosed speech impediment he has worked at correcting for decades. While we're at it, he's got some touchy feely boundary issues with others, too.
But I can't think of a time when he said something just mindlessly and willfully stupid. So while we are sure to be treated to gaffes and guffaws galore in the upcoming years, they'll be something to chuckle at, instead of an international humiliation.
But I can't think of a time when he said something just mindlessly and willfully stupid. So while we are sure to be treated to gaffes and guffaws galore in the upcoming years, they'll be something to chuckle at, instead of an international humiliation.
Belz...
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No, but you have to understand: the previous guy had a speech issue, this one has a speech issue. So that's the same, and we shouldn't have complained about the former guy. It's really that simple.
That's what happens when one's arguments are based on whether it's politically convenient. Hypocrisy and facts don't matter.
sir drinks-a-lot
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See, everyone? That wasn't that hard.
A sober assessment from Thermal with no run-on sentences, logical fallacies, insults or slurs.
Let's take a closer look, shall we?
Good opening salvo. Use of the word "Pres" give it a casual, folksy feel and draws the reader in. The theme is clearly introduced and accepted. No beating around the bush here.
Supporting details. Embellishment and development of the theme.
Volunteering additional tangential information. No rationalizations or denials from this particular poster!
A debatable point, but stated as opinion in a measured and polite manner.
Nice wrap up by way of recapitulation.
If this quality of posting continues, I may have to put away my popcorn!
A sober assessment from Thermal with no run-on sentences, logical fallacies, insults or slurs.
Let's take a closer look, shall we?
Good opening salvo. Use of the word "Pres" give it a casual, folksy feel and draws the reader in. The theme is clearly introduced and accepted. No beating around the bush here.
Supporting details. Embellishment and development of the theme.
Volunteering additional tangential information. No rationalizations or denials from this particular poster!
A debatable point, but stated as opinion in a measured and polite manner.
Nice wrap up by way of recapitulation.
If this quality of posting continues, I may have to put away my popcorn!
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sir drinks-a-lot
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I've seen Biden's gaffes in a number of media outlets, right and left; so what?I love it. Even far-right sources such as TIME Magazine and ABC News are whooping it up over Biden's gaffes, but here we get avoidance or attempts at defense.
Why not just admit he's gaffe prone and save yourself the trouble of concocting a convoluted explanation? You can still bring up Trump afterwards if it makes you feel better, but you're not going to have much progress denying Joe's unique stylings.
But then again, keep 'em coming...
I don't care about Biden's gaffes; I only care that Donnie Depends is out. That makes me feel better. Biden is a stop gap, but maybe he'll turn out to be more than that. His vaccine rollout plan was certainly better than ***** -his-pants.
As far as Donnie Depends' unique stylings, rambling incoherency pretty much covers it.
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Has anyone actually said that? That's the same logical fallacy where someone says the Apollo landings weren't faked, and someone responds, "oh, so you think the U.S. government is always 100% honest about everything".
Biden isn't a skilled public speaker. But the issue here is Caroline13's assertion that his speech patterns are so bad that they indicate some sort of mental defect, like dementia (which is especially ironic given that she often types incomprehensible word salad and initially posted this in the wrong sub-forum).
It's not that anyone is saying that Biden is a gifted public speaker, it's that they're saying that not being as articulate as, say, Carl Sagan, doesn't indicate that he is suffering from dementia, especially when one considers the stuttering issue that he has to overcome. If Biden's speech patterns indicate dementia, then Trump's speech patterns must be an indication that his skull was hollowed out with an ice cream scoop.
Thermal
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Minor quibble: I think that the first time one refers to a public official (or other title holder), that title should be used out of respect, then revert to last name usage for brevity thereafter. Secretary Clinton, President Trump, etc. No matter our politics or views, we can and should be adults.
Eta: popcorn overdose is not good for the waistline. Its an Olympic year (kind of) and we're trying to look buff
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acbytesla
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We value speeches far too much. I care far more about what a President does and the policies they support than anything else. JFK probably gave the most inspirational speeches and is remembered as a far better President than he was in reality. His administration accomplished little to nothing. But in fairness to him, he didn't really have Congress behind him.
LBJ was not a great speaker. So so at best. But if LBJ hadn't escalated the Vietnam War, he would be up there with FDR in my book. But he benefitted from what I call the martyrdom mandate. The Democrats absolutely slaughtered the GOP in the 64 elections. And boy did LBJ know how to work Congress.
So I don't care that much about Biden's occasional gaffe in speaking any more than I do Thomas Jefferson's or John Adams or Teddy Roosevelt's.
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
Biden admits himself that he is a 'gaffe machine':
No, Biden isn't an eloquent or gifted speaker. But he also doesn't lie every damn time he opens his mouth like Trump does.
I find it pitiful that some here concentrate on his speaking gaffes and just ignore the fact that, if Biden is a gaffe machine, Trump is a lie machine. He couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it because he is mentally ill. I'll take a gaffe machine Biden over a pathological liar and sociopath Trump any day of the week.
No psychologists/psychiatrists have felt the need to warn us about how dangerous and mentally ill Biden is. The same cannot be said of Trump.
No, Biden isn't an eloquent or gifted speaker. But he also doesn't lie every damn time he opens his mouth like Trump does.
I find it pitiful that some here concentrate on his speaking gaffes and just ignore the fact that, if Biden is a gaffe machine, Trump is a lie machine. He couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it because he is mentally ill. I'll take a gaffe machine Biden over a pathological liar and sociopath Trump any day of the week.
No psychologists/psychiatrists have felt the need to warn us about how dangerous and mentally ill Biden is. The same cannot be said of Trump.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
it''s pathetic, but what else do the Trump supporters have?
And Biden is not a walking catalog of deep mental and emotional issues the way Donny is.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
I really like Biden but being a President better then Trump is a very low bar to cross.
Belz...
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It doesn't matter. You guy has some issue. Their had some issue as well. There. Checkmate!
This has all been said countless times here.