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Norman Alexander said:
Considering the electorate he represents, if Katter is the best of the bunch from there then they need to look into the Qld education system urgently. There's a real problem.
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I'm not saying he's the best of the bunch, I'm saying that the electorate likes him enough to re-elect him a hundred times.
 
psionl0 said:
Just to summarize, Labor got less than 35% of the primary vote. That is not a "massive mandate".
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In terms of forming government, it doesn't really matter whether they won on the primary vote or on preferences. They won. They have a majority in the House. That's all the mandate they need.
 
arthwollipot said:
In terms of forming government, it doesn't really matter whether they won on the primary vote or on preferences. They won. They have a majority in the House. That's all the mandate they need.
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Agreed but it doesn't mean that the Senate must pass every bill the HoR passes (LK's argument).
 
psionl0 said:
Agreed but it doesn't mean that the Senate must pass every bill the HoR passes (LK's argument).
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That's not LK's argument. All he said was that he hopes the Greens take into account the scale of Labor's victory and not obstruct everything. You've flipped it around to say that he is saying that the Greens have to pass everything.

"Don't obstruct everything" does not equal "pass everything".
 
arthwollipot said:
In terms of forming government, it doesn't really matter whether they won on the primary vote or on preferences. They won. They have a majority in the House. That's all the mandate they need.
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Labor is getting more benefit for their votes than the minor parties that contributed a lot of that victory.
 
Glad Labor won (win a majority even)
SUPER glad potato heads gone... (good riddance to bad rubbish... even losing his seat lol)
Super sad 'little to be proud of' got back in- he's been a disaster for his electorate, but the poorly educated and racist/sexists in many rural areas love him for enabling their prejudices...

Two out of three ain't bad, but three out of three would have been better...
 
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Dabop said:
Glad Labor won (win a majority even)
SUPER glad potato heads gone... (good riddance to bad rubbish...)
Super sad 'little to be proud of' got back in- he's been a disaster for his electorate, but the poorly educated and racist/sexists in many rural areas love him for enabling their prejudices...

Two out of three ain't bad, but three out of three would have been better...
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Littler-proud will have fewer friends to play with in their sandpit this year.
 
psionl0 said:
Regardless of what LK meant, the size of Albo's majority in the HoR imposes no obligation on the Greens in the Senate.
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Perhaps not, but perhaps the Greens do a bit of research on how the electorate feels about their use of the balance of power in the Senate. They delayed action on climate change by about a decade because of their refusal to pass Gillard’s carbon tax because it didn’t go far enough. That sort of behaviour is appalling, as was their brinkmanship in the last parliament, where they refused to pass a lot of Labor bills on housing etc because they wanted more. It was literally childish behaviour.
 
lionking said:
Perhaps not, but perhaps the Greens do a bit of research on how the electorate feels about their use of the balance of power in the Senate.
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The electorate clearly wants minor parties to have a bigger say in Parliament. This is demonstrated by the low number of first preference votes that both major parties are getting.

This number is diminishing with every election. At this rate, the time will come when a minor party candidate has more votes (after distributing preferences of the other minor parties) than at least one of the big two in a majority of electorates. When this happens, the era of majority governments will be over.
 
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psionl0 said:
Why? She is helping Labor (even if she doesn't realize it).
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I can see the sense of that if one sees the world from a red team blue team point of view, but some of us don't like the idea, that the ultra right seem to love, that society is a fiction that has no value.

Personally, I'd like all the people, that want to burn civilisation down for their own personal benefit, shrivel up and blow away.
 
psionl0 said:
Why? She is helping Labor (even if she doesn't realize it).
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arthwollipot said:
Shut the ◊◊◊◊ up Gina.

www.theguardian.com

Gina Rinehart urges Liberals to stick with Trump-like policies in the wake of election loss

Billionaire tells Daily Mail ‘left media’ frightened party away from ‘anything Trump’ and calls on Liberals to adopt ‘commonsense and truth’ principles
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I think psionl0 is close to the truth. Maybe she is a closet Labor supporter. Either that or she is not in touch with reality. Either way the Liberal Party are in big trouble. If she is a big donor to the Liberals and they adopt sensible practices, then she may not donate so much to them. May donate to another (new or existing) party. If they go even more Trump style then they will be exterminated at the next election.

Anyone want to create a party with sensible Liberal (not conservative) policies? It might gain many votes, even becoming the opposition party. The only problem is this party could be the Labor party.
 
psionl0 said:
The electorate clearly wants minor parties to have a bigger say in Parliament. This is demonstrated by the low number of first preference votes that both major parties are getting.

This number is diminishing with every election. At this rate, the time will come when a minor party candidate has more votes (after distributing preferences of the other minor parties) than at least one of the big two in a majority of electorates. When this happens, the era of majority governments will be over.
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Yep. From "Simon shows you maps":

"There is a major election story that keeps not being picked up on. Sure, Labor won heaps more seats than in the past. Sure, the Liberals were punished for an embarrassing campaign. Sure, the Greens lost some primary votes. Most importantly though, the share of primary votes to third parties (anyone other than LibLab) continued to climb upwards. Almost 34 per cent of Australians have voted for a third party. Considering the dissatisfaction of voters under the age of 45, it's only a matter of 5 or 6 elections (15-18 years) until we won't see a Labor or Liberal Prime Minister. The major parties would be well advised to invest into long-term policies favouring the under 45 crowd if they still want to be politically relevant in the 2040s. So far it's looking grim for them."

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arthwollipot said:
Because she annoys me.

Did you see the interview with Jacinta Nampijinpa Price on election night? I just wanted to punch something. Shut the ◊◊◊◊ up Jacinta.
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Her complaints about mud slinging really rang hollow when you judge her by her own actions and I don't know how many people picked up that she's alleging voter fraud in Lingiari with her comments.
 
Teal MP Zoe Daniel has lost her seat:
Former ABC correspondent Zoe Daniel has lost the seat of Goldstein, in a tight count that came down to postal votes.

She's the first of the group of independents that became known as "teals" to have been defeated.

Monique Ryan's neighbouring seat of Kooyong also remains in doubt, with Liberal Amelia Hamer mounting a strong challenge to Daniel's fellow independent.

Other teal independents elected in 2022 have fared better, with Kate Chaney, Allegra Spender, Zali Steggall and Sophie Scamps all being re-elected.
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www.abc.net.au

Teal MP Zoe Daniel loses seat of Goldstein in tight contest with Liberal Tim Wilson — as it happened

Zoe Daniel has become the first "teal" independent to lose her seat, after she was swept into parliament on a wave of pro-independent support in 2022. The Liberal Party's Tim Wilson will return to federal parliament. Take a look back at how the day unfolded with our live blog.
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Wildy said:
Her complaints about mud slinging really rang hollow when you judge her by her own actions and I don't know how many people picked up that she's alleging voter fraud in Lingiari with her comments.
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Oh, I definitely noticed.
Norman Alexander said:
I see Jacqui Lambie is in a very tight contest still. No result yet, and coming down to deep preferences counting.
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Jacquie used to be the crazy person in Parliament. Over the years she's started to make more and more sense. Now it's Lidia Thorpe who rocks boats.
 
It looks like the Greens have lost all House seats. It seems clear to me that their constant blocking of Labor bills, combined with insisting that Australia was at least partly complicit gor the fate of Palestinians in Gaza, were largely why they failed. If they don’t get back to their basics (the environment first, second and third) they will go the same way as the Australian Democrats.
 
lionking said:
It looks like the Greens have lost all House seats. It seems clear to me that their constant blocking of Labor bills, combined with insisting that Australia was at least partly complicit gor the fate of Palestinians in Gaza, were largely why they failed. If they don’t get back to their basics (the environment first, second and third) they will go the same way as the Australian Democrats.
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Yep.

I can't speak for other (previously) Green voters, but the Palestinian ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ was the primary reason why they didn't get my first preference.
 
lionking said:
It looks like the Greens have lost all House seats. It seems clear to me that their constant blocking of Labor bills, combined with insisting that Australia was at least partly complicit gor the fate of Palestinians in Gaza, were largely why they failed. If they don’t get back to their basics (the environment first, second and third) they will go the same way as the Australian Democrats.
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It is more like you said earlier: "The votes did not land in the right places for them". Their primary vote did drop by 0.5% though.

It was always expected that the later counting (of early and postal votes) would tend to favour the coalition more if, for no other reason, Trump hadn't done as many stupid things earlier.
 
I would have liked for the Greens to have done better, but I'm not going to complain about the result. Labor has 89 seats right now, and they might get more. The ABC has them "likely" to gain Menzies.
 
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