Correct. The consequence is that where do voters unimpressed with Labor move to? Not the Coalition and not the loonies, but most likely the Teals or the Greens. A large majority of preferences will flow to Labor. If this scenario comes to be, it could be a bloodbath for Dutton.
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Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
We have had a "Libertarian" candidate campaigning in our electorate (Macquarie). He is using the same yellow colour scheme and very similar policies to Palmer's Bugles of Bullshit. Filling out the Senate ballot today (I early voted), there were a number of what looked to be bogus "unaligned" right-wing groups that I had deep suspicions were not a million miles away from Palmer's wallet either. This all reeks of orchestrated "flooding the zone with shit" a la Bannon. I am not sure how close to deceptive voting practices this might be...
FYI, I ensured I numbered my ballots correctly, including numbering fully above the line on our Senate ballot to ensure my personal choice of scumbags were last on my preference list and would not get their party-designated preferences.
FYI, I ensured I numbered my ballots correctly, including numbering fully above the line on our Senate ballot to ensure my personal choice of scumbags were last on my preference list and would not get their party-designated preferences.
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There were lots of parties I didn't recognise or remember on the Senate ballot. I hope I didn't give any of my preferences to nutters.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Five.
There is always the chance that arcane preference deals can result in a loony with a handful of first preferences getting elected. Sadly, I think that the Senate will always need the governing party to make deals with odious idiots in the upper house.
The latest yougov poll is predicting a strong Labor victory and forming a majority government.
au.yougov.com
Labor to win with an increased majority in YouGov's final MRP of the Australian election | YouGov
Central projection: Labor 84 seats; Coalition 47 seats; Independent 14; Greens 3; KAP 1; Centre Alliance 1
au.yougov.com
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
Labor 84, Coalition 47, "Independent" aka right-wing nutters 14, the rest nowhere.The latest yougov poll is predicting a strong Labor victory and forming a majority government.
Labor to win with an increased majority in YouGov's final MRP of the Australian election | YouGov
Central projection: Labor 84 seats; Coalition 47 seats; Independent 14; Greens 3; KAP 1; Centre Alliance 1
Hopefully, Dutton falls on his sword. He's not called Potato Head for nothing.
Alas, according to the poll, Dutton is projected to keep his seat.
Whether he keeps his position as opposition leader is another matter though.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
While I'd prefer a Labor minority, I won't complain if they get a majority.
The only reason he may stay on is who else have they got? Fraser would be just as bad.
It will be good to see their implosion.
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
The betting also shows Labor firming up as the favourites: Labor $1.10, Coalition $7.00, Other $201.00.The latest yougov poll is predicting a strong Labor victory and forming a majority government.
Labor to win with an increased majority in YouGov's final MRP of the Australian election | YouGov
Central projection: Labor 84 seats; Coalition 47 seats; Independent 14; Greens 3; KAP 1; Centre Alliance 1
However, the betting still favours a minority government : Minority $1.90, Majority $2.20.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Day after tomorrow. I'm going to really enjoy my Democracy Sausage.
SteveAitch
Graduate Poster
Is that a euphemism of some sort?
No, it’s as it is. To make a bit of money for schools (where most voting takes place) they cook and sell sausages in bread.Is that a euphemism of some sort?
Dabop
Graduate Poster
Nope, one of these....Is that a euphemism of some sort?
Unlike the US where you can get arrested for giving someone a glass of water at a voting booth, here we have sausage sangas and drinks available at practically every voting booth- sometimes free, sometimes a 'goldie' (usually donated to a local kids sports group or charity)
Anyone who can walk past a sausage sizzle tent and not immediately feel hungry for one isn't an Aussie LOL
Often also found at the local Bunnings every weekend or two...
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Democracy sausage - Wikipedia
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Onions underneath, thank you very much!
Dabop
Graduate Poster
Meh, the ones at my 'local' Bunnings offer melted cheese instead of onions- which is way better imho... (I prefer BBQ sauce as well lol)
Shame its literally an hours drive each way to get to it.....
Until I get the Atto and its free to drive that distance, I rarely get to get one unless I make it myself- and somehow they just don't taste as good....
That seems to have swapped around now with Labor minority at $2.75 and majority at $1.50.
I don't know why but I still feel like it'll be a minority Labor win.
angrysoba
Philosophile
Okay, so why is nuclear power suddenly considered so radioactive? 
I read that this is what National and the Liberals are in favour of, but I too am in favour of nuclear power for the most part. But I also read that the electorate are not.
How come?
I read that this is what National and the Liberals are in favour of, but I too am in favour of nuclear power for the most part. But I also read that the electorate are not.
How come?
Because it's so expensive to set up, mainly, and it's somewhat dangerous or risky, and, I guess, people think it's really dangerous or risky.Okay, so why is nuclear power suddenly considered so radioactive?
I read that this is what National and the Liberals are in favour of, but I too am in favour of nuclear power for the most part. But I also read that the electorate are not.
How come?
Because it is 30-40 years too late. Plus what ON said.Okay, so why is nuclear power suddenly considered so radioactive?
I read that this is what National and the Liberals are in favour of, but I too am in favour of nuclear power for the most part. But I also read that the electorate are not.
How come?
novaphile
Quester of Doglets
And it's transparently a ruse by the coal industry to divert funding from their competitors (renewable energy) to prop up their profitability for longer.
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
There are heaps of reasons why nuclear energy is not a good idea for Australia. Some of them are listed above. Another is that it will be the 2040s before any electricity is produced. If we do not build something now (read solar, wind) then there will be blackouts.
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
And Labor continues to firm up their odds: Labor $1.08, Coalition $8.00, Other $201.00
Although a Scott Morrison type miracle seems unlikely, I am not forgetting 2019.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Because the anti-nuclear scare tactics of the 1980s worked.Okay, so why is nuclear power suddenly considered so radioactive?
I read that this is what National and the Liberals are in favour of, but I too am in favour of nuclear power for the most part. But I also read that the electorate are not.
How come?
Malcolm Faser's granddaughter has put her support behind his old electorate's up-and-coming independent candidate Alex Dyson.
Dyson is projected to win the electorate (Wannon) according to yougov, which would be the first time since Fraser's time (1955) that a Liberal hasn't held the seat.
From Fitzmedia on Facebook:
"A boost for Wannon candidate Alex Dyson Independent a day out from the election, with the granddaughter of former Prime Minister and Liberal Party doyen Malcolm Fraser stating her support her Dyson.
Samantha Marshall said the Liberal Party today bears little resemblance to the one her grandfather led.
"He believed in responsible governance and the importance of putting country before politics,” said Ms Marshall said of Fraser.
“I’ve watched Alex Dyson’s campaign with growing admiration as he advocates for what locals need."
Ms Marshall has her own claim to fame, as a Commonwealth Games medalist in swimming."
Dyson is projected to win the electorate (Wannon) according to yougov, which would be the first time since Fraser's time (1955) that a Liberal hasn't held the seat.
From Fitzmedia on Facebook:
"A boost for Wannon candidate Alex Dyson Independent a day out from the election, with the granddaughter of former Prime Minister and Liberal Party doyen Malcolm Fraser stating her support her Dyson.
Samantha Marshall said the Liberal Party today bears little resemblance to the one her grandfather led.
"He believed in responsible governance and the importance of putting country before politics,” said Ms Marshall said of Fraser.
“I’ve watched Alex Dyson’s campaign with growing admiration as he advocates for what locals need."
Ms Marshall has her own claim to fame, as a Commonwealth Games medalist in swimming."
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
Really? The cost, the lengthy time to completion, the propping up of fossil fuel industries in the mean time and the attack on solar roof top power had nothing to do with it?
Pro-nuclear fans sure come up with some strange arguments.
Apparently as well, the power stations Liberal are/were planning to build (Westinghouse something something) only produce one third of the energy of the power stations they were to replace.
I think a very large number of voters oppose nuclear for the wrong reasons (like safety) rather than them being too little, too late and too costly. Our future, quite rightly, is renewables and batteries.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Please point out where I said that they had nothing to do with it. If you can't, stop putting words in my mouth. You know I hate that.
I used to be pro-nuclear. I was gung-ho pro nuclear. I'm not any more. About two years ago the end-to-end cost of nuclear power started to exceed that of renewable and nuclear is no longer an economically viable option. It is, as you say, too expensive and too slow.
Anyway, My mum is anti-nuclear because she thinks it's dangerous, not because of the lengthy time to completion, the propping up of fossil fuel industries in the mean time and the attack on solar roof top power. For her, it was the anti nuclear protests of the 80s and the concern about nuclear waste.
Dabop
Graduate Poster
I was the same, strongly pronuke decades ago, but its day has passed...
Renewables (coupled with storage like pumped hydro etc) can easily beat the price per MWh generated for nuclear which makes having new nukes a fools game.... especially here where PV solar is both cheap, and solar conditions (away from the deserts lol) ideal....
(another laymans misconception- 'fill the desert with solar panels'- hell no, thats the WORST place for them- long feeder runs, coupled with panels generating less as their temperature rises means that having them out in the desert is basically about the WORST possible place EVER to site a PV solar farm...)
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
The only reason you gave for the current opposition to nuclear power was that "the anti-nuclear scare tactics of the 1980s worked". You made no reference to the other reasons whatsoever so it was reasonable to believe that you considered them irrelevant.
By calling it "scare tactics" you ignore the fact that incidents such as those at 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl left many genuinely questioning the safety of nuclear power. Otherwise, nuclear might have been a viable alternative to fossil fuelled power plants 30 or 40 years ago. Today, of course, much progress has been made with renewable power and the expense of a nuclear power plant is not justified.
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Alex Dyson? The radio host?
*checks the ABC*
Huh, so it is.
He has a pretty good shot to get in. Hope he does.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Six.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
That is the most dishonest bad-faith reasoning I have ever seen. I expected better from you.
A whole bunch of reasons had already been listed. I added one to the list. You expect me to repeat all of the others when I do, twelve-days-of-christmas style? I hate that song.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
On the other hand, yesterday's results in the UK are scary........with big wins by Reform.
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
Only in local council elections. It's roughly the equivalent of becoming HOA president.
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
No you didn't. You didn't say anything like "also" or "in addition to the reasons already given" or anything whatsoever that might indicate that other reasons existed. You substituted everything else with "the anti-nuclear scare tactics of the 1980s worked" implying that this is the only reason that there is opposition to nuclear power today.
Maybe you didn't intend for your post to be interpreted that way but poor writing on your part doesn't mean dishonest reading on mine.
