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Assassination of United Healthcare CEO

Right. The backpack, and the jacket. That's what killed him, and also connected him to the hostel, where they recognized the jacket and pack and found pics of his face.

And leaving all the stuff behind, with DNA, that will ironclad the case against him.
I don't know about the DNA. But if you're trying to get away you don't continue to have incriminating evidence with you. Have you dropped the idea that he was alerted by someone else? I have.
 
I don't know about the DNA. But if you're trying to get away you don't continue to have incriminating evidence with you.
Exactly why you dont have anything more than you need with you, including switching your top layer. Leaving breadcrumbs is simply not an option in the days of DNA. Better to risk carrying it with you to your disposal area, than virtually guarantee you'll get a DNA match if you become a suspect.
Have you dropped the idea that he was alerted by someone else? I have.
Still the same issue for me. How did he know to expect Thompson at that door? And the incredible (in every sense) going from strolling on the phone, to waiting in ambush... exactly in time?
 
I am not too unhappy. From Offspring.

"One goes to the morgue and the other to jail"

UHC ran me ragged refusing to pay for a colonoscopy, took almost 10 months to get it set right.

No tears for either one of them.
 
So this guy was on another Greyhound bus, heading west. The bus stopped for a break, so I guess that's why he picked a McDs; it's where the bus stopped.

The guy lives in Maryland, so he was not heading home. He was westward bound.

Eta: also, every person on that bus is muttering "mother ◊◊◊◊◊◊, I just lost $60 large"
 
I am not too unhappy. From Offspring.

"One goes to the morgue and the other to jail"

UHC ran me ragged refusing to pay for a colonoscopy, took almost 10 months to get it set right.

No tears for either one of them.
Also: "One got wasted and the others a waste"
 
It's Monday. They caught him. The wise move is to wait 48 hours until most of the facts are made public in order to keep the BS to a minimum. CNYPD gave a press conference a short time ago, more will follow as the situation develops. Interesting suspect to be sure.
 
It's Monday. They caught him. The wise move is to wait 48 hours until most of the facts are made public in order to keep the BS to a minimum. CNYPD gave a press conference a short time ago, more will follow as the situation develops. Interesting suspect to be sure.
Someone forgot to check "new posts" on the thread. :)
 
Exactly why you dont have anything more than you need with you, including switching your top layer. Leaving breadcrumbs is simply not an option in the days of DNA. Better to risk carrying it with you to your disposal area, than virtually guarantee you'll get a DNA match if you become a suspect.

Still the same issue for me. How did he know to expect Thompson at that door? And the incredible (in every sense) going from strolling on the phone, to waiting in ambush... exactly in time?
That part is easy. Thompson would have been easy to spot coming out of his hotel from across the street from the ambush spot. As soon as he saw him, all he had to do was walk across the street. That Hilton entrance is the closest entrance.
 
That part is easy. Thompson would have been easy to spot coming out of his hotel from across the street from the ambush spot. As soon as he saw him, all he had to do was walk across the street. That Hilton entrance is the closest entrance.
Same problem, though. Three entrances. No reason to expect Thompson at any of them, at any time (why not expect Thompson to be staying at the Hilton, Thompson not listed as a speaker, etc). I mean, I guess we can't rule out blind stupidity anymore, as he still had a gun and the tainted NJ ID on him. Without those, he might still have walked.

Eta: I can't stress this enough: the killer should have had no reason to expect Thompson to be at this conference, or if he was, to be staying at the Marriot instead of the Hilton or elsewhere, and consequently no reason to be anywhere near that door at any time, much less the perfect time. Unless he had reason to expect exactly that.
 
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Same problem, though. Three entrances. No reason to expect Thompson at any of them, at any time (why not expect Thompson to be staying at the Hilton, Thompson not listed as a speaker, etc). I mean, I guess we can't rule out blind stupidity anymore, as he still had a gun and the tainted NJ ID on him. Without those, he might still have walked.

Eta: I can't stress this enough: the killer should have had no reason to expect Thompson to be at this conference, or if he was, to be staying at the Marriot instead of the Hilton or elsewhere, and consequently no reason to be anywhere we re near that door at any time, much less the perfect time. Unless he had reason to expect exactly that.
He had to do some homework. But I don't think finding out where he was staying was necessarily that hard. And with that info, the entrance was obvious.
 
He had to do some homework. But I don't think finding out where he was staying was necessarily that hard. And with that info, the entrance was obvious.
How do you figure? Unless this rich kid had some kind of personal connection to the reclusive Thompson (not out of the question), how in the world would he find out what hotel he was staying at?

Eta: I don't think a concierge would freely give that kind of information out to random strangers. I can specifically recall trying to find if people were in hotels (like my wife that I was legit trying to catch up with) and if I didn't have their room number, I got stonewalled
 
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That part is easy. Thompson would have been easy to spot coming out of his hotel from across the street from the ambush spot. As soon as he saw him, all he had to do was walk across the street. That Hilton entrance is the closest entrance.
just saying, if he just showed up and the guy happened to walk out, because after all the speculation about who he was and how he pulled it off, it doesn't seem like this guy had any special assassination skills
 
How do you figure? Unless this rich kid had some kind of personal connection to the reclusive Thompson (not out of the question), how in the world would he find out what hotel he was staying at?

Eta: I don't think a concierge would freely give that kind of information out to random strangers. I can specifically recall trying to find if people were in hotels (like my wife that I was legit trying to catch up with) and if I didn't have their room number, I got stonewalled
Not me. I recently called a local hotel asking if a friend of mine had checked in yet and they told me that no one by that name had checked in. A good cover story can go a long way. Paparazzi find celebrities despite them traveling under fake names.
 
just saying, if he just showed up and the guy happened to walk out, because after all the speculation about who he was and how he pulled it off, it doesn't seem like this guy had any special assassination skills
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. I don't think the guy had special skills. I do think he found out where his target was staying and where he was going and planned it around that. Planned doesn't mean perfectly planned.
 
Not me. I recently called a local hotel asking if a friend of mine had checked in yet and they told me that no one by that name had checked in. A good cover story can go a long way. Paparazzi find celebrities despite them traveling under fake names.
I dunno. My wife and I often have to meet up when one or the other checks in first, and for 20 years we have had to make sure to give the room number to get any response. So Luigi or whatever the ◊◊◊◊ his name is randomly called NYC hotels asking for Brian Thompson (who presumably asks the desk for privacy because reporters and activists likely hound him wherever he goes), and that's a score? I dunno, I guess we'll see eventually.
 
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. I don't think the guy had special skills. I do think he found out where his target was staying and where he was going and planned it around that. Planned doesn't mean perfectly planned.
what i'm saying is that the guy is somewhere between having a particular set of skills and exact knowledge of the guy's location from the inside and some guy with a chip on his shoulder and no plan at all trying to make a point just bumbling into it and everything comes up milhouse. i think it's a little harder to dismiss the latter. i thought and still do that's the best explanation
 
what i'm saying is that the guy is somewhere between having a particular set of skills and exact knowledge of the guy's location from the inside and some guy with a chip on his shoulder and no plan at all trying to make a point just bumbling into it and everything comes up milhouse. i think it's a little harder to dismiss the latter. i thought and still do that's the best explanation
Yeah, probably.

I can see in my mind how he managed to carry it out and how he escaped the area. But so what? The hard part is getting away with the crime. And from that perspective, he was a moron.

The big busy city sort of aids the immediate escape. But big cities today are covered with thousands upon thousands of security cameras. Manhattan alone has 15,000 police surveillance cameras. And likely 50,000 private security cameras. They also have facial recognition software. And I bet they used that software to track that backpack to given areas which maybe they used to narrow their search to the Starbucks and the hostel.
 
Luigi Mangione sees himself as a Holden Caulfield character, as a hero in his own lunchtime. His family Mangione are amongst the richest in Maryland and it is possible Luigi is even richer than Brian Thompson who was only on $10m as an employee albeit a CEO. He exchanged tweets with people like Tucker Carlson and other mainstream Maga types. As for appreciating Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - in a Goodreads review - I can't see anything heroic about Kaczynski; the guy was a nutter - plus it seems Luigi's other main area of interest is his back problems, needing to have fusion surgery in his spine after a surfing accident in Hawaii. His friends and family don't seem to have heard from him for about a year, although it seems he was working for a car data company in Silicon Valley, Calif. He probably knows Altoona, Penn. since his uni days. It is thought he may be in the shadow of his older brother Mario. I guess having been told he is smart and rich all of his life he seems to have had some kind of mental health crisis with delusions of grandeur and self-importance. Thinks he is terribly smart with a message for the world. Amazing how all these shooters, Breivik, Cho, other high school shooters, all seem to have the all important 'Manifesto'. Social media. Sign of the times. So we can expect to see a spate of copy cats all wanting fifteen minutes of wall to wall media space.
 
Yeah, probably.

I can see in my mind how he managed to carry it out and how he escaped the area. But so what? The hard part is getting away with the crime. And from that perspective, he was a moron.

The big busy city sort of aids the immediate escape. But big cities today are covered with thousands upon thousands of security cameras. Manhattan alone has 15,000 police surveillance cameras. And likely 50,000 private security cameras. They also have facial recognition software. And I bet they used that software to track that backpack to given areas which maybe they used to narrow their search to the Starbucks and the hostel.
But they didn't have him on their radar at all. Eric Adams the NY Mayor (IIRC) seems to have been bluffing when he said on Saturday they had his name. Until the 'senior patron' at the McDonalds joint tipped them off, they had no idea it was he, despite all the images they published.
 
But they didn't have him on their radar at all. Eric Adams the NY Mayor (IIRC) seems to have been bluffing when he said on Saturday they had his name. Until the 'senior patron' at the McDonalds joint tipped them off, they had no idea it was he, despite all the images they published.
And dead serious: if he stopped in a bathroom and trimmed his brows down with a pair of scissors (and maybe a touch of lighter coloring at most), and kept a sullen frown on his face, I'll bet he would not have been recognized at all. The pics were not that good, but that simpleton smile and Bigfoot eyebrows stood out.
 
But they didn't have him on their radar at all. Eric Adams the NY Mayor (IIRC) seems to have been bluffing when he said on Saturday they had his name. Until the 'senior patron' at the McDonalds joint tipped them off, they had no idea it was he, despite all the images they published.
Yeah. But Mayor Adams was probably repeating what the police was telling him. Still, the moment I saw that picture of him smiling at the hostel, I thought it was only a matter of time.
 
Luigi Mangione sees himself as a Holden Caulfield character, as a hero in his own lunchtime. His family Mangione are amongst the richest in Maryland and it is possible Luigi is even richer than Brian Thompson who was only on $10m as an employee albeit a CEO. He exchanged tweets with people like Tucker Carlson and other mainstream Maga types. As for appreciating Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - in a Goodreads review - I can't see anything heroic about Kaczynski; the guy was a nutter - plus it seems Luigi's other main area of interest is his back problems, needing to have fusion surgery in his spine after a surfing accident in Hawaii. His friends and family don't seem to have heard from him for about a year, although it seems he was working for a car data company in Silicon Valley, Calif. He probably knows Altoona, Penn. since his uni days. It is thought he may be in the shadow of his older brother Mario. I guess having been told he is smart and rich all of his life he seems to have had some kind of mental health crisis with delusions of grandeur and self-importance. Thinks he is terribly smart with a message for the world. Amazing how all these shooters, Breivik, Cho, other high school shooters, all seem to have the all important 'Manifesto'. Social media. Sign of the times. So we can expect to see a spate of copy cats all wanting fifteen minutes of wall to wall media space.
This kid is rich and traveling by bus?
 
Been working out pretty stellar for him over the past couple weeks.
That makes sense if you're going into Manhattan. A private car in the city is a hassle. But once you're ot of the city it makes little sense.
 
That makes sense if you're going into Manhattan. A private car in the city is a hassle. But once you're ot of the city it makes little sense.
He probably could have had it parked and waiting over the Jersey border on an unsurveilled side street, waiting for the bus drop-off.

You would think every bus line in the Northeast would be watching carefully for bus boy over the last week, though.
 
This is the Radical Leftist type that Fox News was waiting for.i
Well, Radical Leftist or not, it's also what Ben Shapiro was waiting for:
The EVIL Revolutionary Left Cheers Murder! (Ben Shapiro on YouTube, Dec 6, 2024 - 49:51 min.)
The murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson brings with it a wave of sympathy…for the murderer; Donald Trump’s administration is geared for effective administration, as Republicans prepare to pare back government overreach; and Pete Hegseth fights back against media smears.
However, looking at the comments about Shapiro's YouTube video, I get the impression that EVIL revolutionary radical leftists are not thinly ones cheering.
The first ten comments:
"We got conservatives and liberals hugging each other in a comment section before gta 6"
"Saw my lifelong hardworking father become bankrupt as a result of claims being denied after getting cancer. You are out of touch, man."
"It’s not left or right. It’s not black or white. It’s rich vs poor. Your true colors are showing."
"We all disagree. Both red and blue. We are united as one on this. The majority has spoken."
"I’m not buying this “left vs right” ◊◊◊◊ anymore Ben, I want healthcare for my family"
"Remember guys, Ben has more in common with that CEO than he has with any of us."
"As a conservative, I'm sick of rich elitist destroying the family unit. Quite literally. I'm proud the left and right have united. I may not vote the same way but damn it I can agree we are tired of being pushed around"
"I clicked this video so that I could dislike it. If there's one thing conservatives and liberals can agree on, it's that nobody wants to be sick in a world where the consequences are either death or bankruptcy."
"Sorry, I cried all my tears when my mom had to put her PET scan on a credit credit card after her leukemia diagnosis. She and my dad were making payments monthly. A year later, shes still paying and my dad dies of a heart attack. The hospital harassed my mom to pay his 10,000 bill until she had to file bankruptcy. She now lives in a community for low income seniors and gets her food through church food bank donations. Which is mostly processed food. I don't have many tears left for a perpetuater of this system."
"Ben always forgets that his beloved Israel has Universal Health Care (subsidized by US tax-payers), yet he is always saying how it wouldn't work in America."
It looks like Americans can finally come together on something.

But back to the "Radical Leftist type":
Author of Elon Musk-Endorsed Book Praised by Suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO Killer Responds: 'You Missed the Point' (The Latin Times, Dec 9, 2024)
LuigiMangione previously tweeted that the book was the "most important philosophical text of the 21st century."
That is a very strange kind of radical leftist ...
 
They say when you plan a crime you account for 3 things and miss dealing with the 4th. He planned the shot and the escape fairly well. But blew everything else. I can see having a backpack that contained other clothing to change into. But the clothing and the backpack should have been ubiquitous. The distinctive backpack led to them connecting the dots on all the security cameras until they found one with his face. The fact is this guy blew it. Unless you're Donald Trump killing someone on a street in Midtown Manhattan is not something you're likely going to get away with.
If you carry around the gun + manifesto + the fake ID that everybody has already heard about, and then go to a well-lit place like McD, you aren't trying to avoid getting caught - in spite of the trouble he took to get away from scene of the crime in New York.
 
Well, it was fun while it lasted.


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Lol smiley face chuckle ha ha think about it, insurors, think about it really thoroughly. This may have been your Marley's Ghost moment.
 
If you carry around the gun + manifesto + the fake ID that everybody has already heard about, and then go to a well-lit place like McD, you aren't trying to avoid getting caught - in spite of the trouble he took to get away from scene of the crime in New York.
I'd guess he thought along the lines of "I'm out of the danger zone, and just another anonymous bus rider now", radically underestimating that the entire northeast was actively looking for him.

I wonder if McDonalds old guy tipster had been calling police for days, reporting literally every male under 60 years old he saw, and just got dumb lucky this time? That would fit in the story well.
 
I'd guess he thought along the lines of "I'm out of the danger zone, and just another anonymous bus rider now", radically underestimating that the entire northeast was actively looking for him.

I wonder if McDolalds old guy had been calling police for days, reporting literally every male under 60 years old he saw, and just got dumb lucky this time? That would fit in the story well.
It was too good a picture. He was going to be spotted if he spent much time in public. This guy needed to go into hiding for 6 months minimum.
 
It was too good a picture. He was going to be spotted if he spent much time in public. This guy needed to go into hiding for 6 months minimum.
Well, he was "poof" for the last year or so, I'm reading. Shouldn't be a problem to be "poof" for another, if you're rich. Just trim and lighten the damn eyebrows and frown when you have to interact with people.
 
He's not The Jackal, master of disguise.

If after several days you're still carrying around the murder weapon and a handwritten 3-page manifesto explaining why you killed, I'm not sure you were really fully engaged with the whole getting away with it thing.
 
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