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Assassination of United Healthcare CEO

Might have been. It might also have been that he wanted to kill some guy who was banging his girlfriend, and got the wrong guy in the dark.

What is most likely based on the facts as they are? Random bumbling fluke, or apparent careful planning that was timed perfectly?
Not with what was written on the shells. He killed who he intended to kill.
 
Who's to say? 28 minutes is a long time in my mind. And I don't know about you, but eating a croissant or a bagel and keeping an eye out at the same time wouldn't be that hard. The guy certainly did his homework or had it done for him. I agree with you that it seems to be too coincidental. But I'm reminded that coincidences happen all the time.
True. But munching on a bagel, then seeing your target cross the street a block away (assuming you could identify him from behind a block away in the dark) is like zero chance of you getting there in time. He'd be in the Hilton before you crossed a third of the distance, sprinting. The killer knew, IMO, that it wasn't go time yet, and he was waiting for the call to get perched.
My guess is the police are looking closely at both.
Absolutely, and other possibilities I'm sure.
 
Not with what was written on the shells. He killed who he intended to kill.
Well the theory he's presenting is "whoopee daisey nothing is what it looks like it's all so random", so facts and likelihood don't come into play. Maybe our jilted lover was putting the message that the cheater "denied" cheating, "delayed" coming clean, and so was being "deposed". See? Just a big coinky-dinky, not what it seems.
 
Not with what was written on the shells. He killed who he intended to kill.
yeah, he went there to kill him. maybe he went there to shout something and kill him in the middle of his speech, but then he walked out in front of him and took the shot that fell into his lap.

Well the theory he's presenting is "whoopee daisey nothing is what it looks like it's all so random", so facts and likelihood don't come into play. Maybe our jilted lover was putting the message that the cheater "denied" cheating, "delayed" coming clean, and so was being "deposed". See? Just a big coinky-dinky, not what it seems.
what foolishness
 
what foolishness
Ya how about that? When you ignore likelihood, things can get silly fast.

And you ducked the question: what does the evidence favor, well planned and timed ambush, or haphazard improvisation?

Keep in mind, that was probably the only minute of the day where that street was relatively deserted and Thompson would be there. In the evening or any other time of day, that street would be jam packed with people
 
I think there isn't enough energy to cycle the pistol causing misfeeds. He knows this and is ready for it, that's why he appears to calmly re-rack after each misfeed and could even have been anticipated with the order the rounds are loaded in to the magazine.
That makes sense. He's not puzzled by the gun unexpectedly not cycling. He's ready for it, which suggests he's tested it and expects that, so the easiest workaround is just to rack the pistol after each shot without even pausing to decide whether it cycled or not.
 
True. But munching on a bagel, then seeing your target cross the street a block away (assuming you could identify him from behind a block away in the dark) is like zero chance of you getting there in time. He'd be in the Hilton before you crossed a third of the distance, sprinting. The killer knew, IMO, that it wasn't go time yet, and he was waiting for the call to get perched.
I don't know. Maybe. We only know that 28 minutes before the killing he was a block away from his spot odering coffee etc. And he made it to that spot a few minutes earlier. He easily could have seen his target walk out of the Warwick Hotel and then go to that spot next to the entrance. Or not. I wasn't there. He might have been prepared to wait in that area for an hour or two. But then only needed to wait 15 minutes. We just don't know.
 
Keep in mind, that was probably the only minute of the day where that street was relatively deserted and Thompson would be there. In the evening or any other time of day, that street would be jam packed with people

Really?

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Ya how about that? When you ignore likelihood, things can get silly fast.

And you ducked the question: what does the evidence favor, well planned and timed ambush, or haphazard improvisation?

Keep in mind, that was probably the only minute of the day where that street was relatively deserted and Thompson would be there. In the evening or any other time of day, that street would be jam packed with people
i felt it was just a crazy strawman, i wasn't sure what else to say about your comment

as for your question, giving yourself a minute window in the middle of the street in nyc sounds like a terrible plan where a lot of stuff could go wrong. seems just as likely to me that it could be an opportunity suddenly presented itself, the street was empty and the guy was in front of him, and he took it. there's barely any evidence either way.
 
ok, but if it was a coincidence, let's say that he planned on killing him in the evening and was getting set up to wait so he grabbed a coffee and some food, but the guy happened to walk out, what would look different about it?
If I understand correctly, his bicycle was waiting for him in an alley across the street. I don’t think he’d risk leaving an unlocked bike in midtown for more than a few minutes.
 
I'm probably just being overly cynical, but I can't help picture whoever's running United Healthcare now fervently hoping the killer dies in a police shootout rather than being captured alive. Because they probably REALLY don't want the public hearing the back story that lead to the killing.
 
Also, despite having their CEO murdered a few feet from the front door, UnitedHealth decided that investors were what's really important here, and continued with the conference as scheduled. They begrudgingly called it off after an hour, evidently annoyed with all these little poor people and their gaudy yellow Crime Scene tape harshing the mellow.
 
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Also, despite having their CEO murdered a few feet from the front door, they decided that investors were what's really important here, and continued with it as scheduled. They begrudgingly called it off after an hour, evidently annoyed with all these little poor people and their gaudy yellow Crime Scene tape harshing the mellow.
That's cold. Or maybe they KNEW he was going to die! Or maybe he isn't dead and the whole thing was done with AI and CGI! Maybe he's alive on that hidden island with JFK and Hoffa!
 
That's cold. Or maybe they KNEW he was going to die! Or maybe he isn't dead and the whole thing was done with AI and CGI! Maybe he's alive on that hidden island with JFK and Hoffa!
Don't be ridiculous. And pay no attention to the new party lights being strung up.on Epstein Island.
 
I'm probably just being overly cynical, but I can't help picture whoever's running United Healthcare now fervently hoping the killer dies in a police shootout rather than being captured alive. Because they probably REALLY don't want the public hearing the back story that lead to the killing.
He can simply release some sort of manifest. I think he will ..
 
i felt it was just a crazy strawman, i wasn't sure what else to say about your comment

as for your question, giving yourself a minute window in the middle of the street in nyc sounds like a terrible plan where a lot of stuff could go wrong. seems just as likely to me that it could be an opportunity suddenly presented itself, the street was empty and the guy was in front of him, and he took it. there's barely any evidence either way.
Right. Barely any evidence, except... virtually the entire timeline and every important event released on video.

So again: which scenario is more plausible:

1. Killer plans to be at this place and time, with the getaway bike and gun and gear ready to go, has his breakfast and goes to the ambush area, where his target shows up to cross the street within 5 minutes, all intentionally planned and executed, or...
2. Killer just happens to be prepared and waiting with no idea when or if the guy would show up at this particular door, but he's there in the pre dawn anyway, I guess to draw maximum attention by standing around for 14 hours, possibly soiling himself during the wait? Or would he take potty breaks over at that Starbucks, hoping that's not when his victim might stroll by?
 
So now they are saying only HALF the Monopoly money was there (presumably half of what comes with the board game). This guy seems to think it is some kind of modern-day treasure hunt or spot the clue. So it's now Day 6 and the cops are still searching.
 
Right. Barely any evidence, except... virtually the entire timeline and every important event released on video.

So again: which scenario is more plausible:

1. Killer plans to be at this place and time, with the getaway bike and gun and gear ready to go, has his breakfast and goes to the ambush area, where his target shows up to cross the street within 5 minutes, all intentionally planned and executed, or...
2. Killer just happens to be prepared and waiting with no idea when or if the guy would show up at this particular door, but he's there in the pre dawn anyway, I guess to draw maximum attention by standing around for 14 hours, possibly soiling himself during the wait? Or would he take potty breaks over at that Starbucks, hoping that's not when his victim might stroll by?

more foolishness
 
So now they are saying only HALF the Monopoly money was there (presumably half of what comes with the board game). This guy seems to think it is some kind of modern-day treasure hunt or spot the clue. So it's now Day 6 and the cops are still searching.
They only covered half of his mother's treatment before she was given the "choice" to not continue treatment?
 
Oh come on Conspiracy Theorists! You're just not trying.

The CEO had an expensive to treat disease, and 'they' knew that they wouldn't get away with not treating him, so they hired a killer to get the 'cost' off the books.
 
So now they are saying only HALF the Monopoly money was there (presumably half of what comes with the board game). This guy seems to think it is some kind of modern-day treasure hunt or spot the clue. So it's now Day 6 and the cops are still searching.
It's certainly deep into "Hollywood will make a movie about it" territory.
 
Right. Barely any evidence, except... virtually the entire timeline and every important event released on video.

So again: which scenario is more plausible:

1. Killer plans to be at this place and time, with the getaway bike and gun and gear ready to go, has his breakfast and goes to the ambush area, where his target shows up to cross the street within 5 minutes, all intentionally planned and executed, or...
2. Killer just happens to be prepared and waiting with no idea when or if the guy would show up at this particular door, but he's there in the pre dawn anyway, I guess to draw maximum attention by standing around for 14 hours, possibly soiling himself during the wait? Or would he take potty breaks over at that Starbucks, hoping that's not when his victim might stroll by?
I think you're over-stating some things. He knows his target. He has a general idea of when he would be in the Hilton Hotel. He probably knew his target was staying at the Warwick. I was under the impression before it was the 54th Street Entrance. I now am convinced it was the 6th Street entrance because the hotel is on the right. The Warwick is on the NE corner of 6th and 54th while the Hilton Hotel is on SW corner of the same intersection. The Entrance is probably 30, 40 yards South on 6th Avenue If the killer is on the other side of 6th Avenue South of 54th he would have plenty of time to spot his target coming out of the Warwick cross the street well ahead of his target who is likely to wait for the light to cross 6th Avenue and then wait for the light to cross 54th.
 
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Thats a psychotic, lunatic amount of hoop jumping and outrageous expense and background checking and regulation for what amounts to the purchase of a small muffler.

Eta: I mean Jesus christ, I didn't have to go through that much regulartory rigamarole and government intrusion to buy a car, get married, and have kids combined.
Yes, I was hoping that the GOP would have deregulated silencers back in 2017-18, but they settled for a gun grab instead. Not sure how you accomplished buying a car and getting married, but I thought that filling out a few forms and mailing them in to make a silencer was much less of a hassle compared to buying a new car or getting married/having kids. :)
 
In the UK you are encouraged to use a suppressor on a firearm to protect your hearing and that of anyone on the range with you. They aren't even restricted items.
 
I'm probably just being overly cynical, but I can't help picture whoever's running United Healthcare now fervently hoping the killer dies in a police shootout rather than being captured alive. Because they probably REALLY don't want the public hearing the back story that lead to the killing.
Heh. I'd say whoever's running UHC right now is worried they'll be the next target. Why wouldn't they? If the killer did it out of anger at UHC is he really going to feel satisfied with killing just the current CEO? Wouldn't his ambition to be to get the next one, too? And the next? And any other executives he can reach? Or perhaps he's not angry at just that one company, perhaps he'll go after the CEO of another insuror next. And then another. If they don't catch him he might take out all the big insurors' CEOs...then swing around again for their successors.

Potential bad press would be preferable, I imagine.
 
Apparently some are calling this guy "The Adjustor". Not certain it's appropriate, though, adjustor sounds more like property insurance to me.
 
So now they are saying only HALF the Monopoly money was there (presumably half of what comes with the board game). This guy seems to think it is some kind of modern-day treasure hunt or spot the clue. So it's now Day 6 and the cops are still searching.
Every CEO in America is pissing their pants right now wondering if there is another backpack near their front door with the other half of the money.
 
I think you're over-stating some things. He knows his target. He has a general idea of when he would be in the Hilton Hotel. He probably knew his target was staying at the Warwick.
I think it's a huge assumption that he has any reason to know any of those things without someone intimate with Thompson feeding it to him.
I was under the impression before it was the 54th Street Entrance. I now am convinced it was the 6th Street entrance because the hotel is on the right. The Warwick is on the NE corner of 6th and 54th while the Hilton Hotel is on SW corner of the same intersection. The Entrance is probably 30, 40 yards South on 6th Avenue If the killer is on the other side of 6th Avenue South of 54th he would have plenty of time to spot his target coming out of the Warwick cross the street well ahead of his target who is likely to wait for the light to cross 6th Avenue and then wait for the light to cross 54th.
Out of curiosity: you've seen the video of the shooting, right? The camera is right on top of Thompson, just feet away.

How easy would you say iit is to recognize him from the rear in the dark? Looks as anonymous a blob as you get, to me. I don't think I'd recognize my own kids from behind in the dark at 40 yards away.
 
If the sum of the Monopoly money exactly matches an insurance claim that was denied to someone known by the killer, this might provide a clue to his identity. It is possible the killer brought the money with the intent of leaving on the body in a 'thirty pieces of silver' metaphor, but forgot, or was unable to.
 
If the sum of the Monopoly money exactly matches an insurance claim that was denied to someone known by the killer, this might provide a clue to his identity. It is possible the killer brought the money with the intent of leaving on the body in a 'thirty pieces of silver' metaphor, but forgot, or was unable to.
A standard Monopoly game has $20,580 US in it, so half would be $10,290. Seems on the low side for murdering someone, or letting someone close to you die, for that matter.
 
A standard Monopoly game has $20,580 US in it, so half would be $10,290. Seems on the low side for murdering someone, or letting someone close to you die, for that matter.
Really? I am moderately well off and suddenly having to cough up $10K, especially if I thought I was insured for that amount would be hard.
Given how a lot of US citizens live with little or no savings at the edge of poverty, having to pay that might mean not being able to pay mortgage/rent. Which means homelessness as the US social security system is useless. So now someone has to chose between having a home or getting important surgery. And it might even not be that important, the idiocy of medical costs in the US could also mean someone (who could no longer get an aborting) had a child. Or an ambulance ride after an unavoidable accident.
Thinking you live in the best country on earth, a fable very much told to all US citizens, and then learning that country leaves you or your loved ones specifically to rot in the street might explain the wish to harm the one making that decision so a few shareholders can get some more money.
 
Really? I am moderately well off and suddenly having to cough up $10K, especially if I thought I was insured for that amount would be hard.
Given how a lot of US citizens live with little or no savings at the edge of poverty, having to pay that might mean not being able to pay mortgage/rent. Which means homelessness as the US social security system is useless. So now someone has to chose between having a home or getting important surgery. And it might even not be that important, the idiocy of medical costs in the US could also mean someone (who could no longer get an aborting) had a child. Or an ambulance ride after an unavoidable accident.
Thinking you live in the best country on earth, a fable very much told to all US citizens, and then learning that country leaves you or your loved ones specifically to rot in the street might explain the wish to harm the one making that decision so a few shareholders can get some more money.
To a hospital, that's chump change. They'd work out payment arrangements with you that you could live with, and if you were truly broke, I doubt a hospital in the nation wouldn't waive what amounts to what they charge for taking your blood pressure.
 
In the UK you are encouraged to use a suppressor on a firearm to protect your hearing and that of anyone on the range with you. They aren't even restricted items.
Why would they be? How many handguns on your streets would benefit from suppression?
 
the killing of Shinzo Abe lead to an investigation into the Unification Church and its corrupt ties into Japanese politics, and its practice to beggar members for its enrichment. Undoubtedly, it has been a net positive for Japan.

If this killing brings the spotlight to the industry and its practices, and leads to investigations, prosecutions and stricter regulations and supervision, that would be a net positive for the US, even when we included the breach of norms and laws.
And I'm sure that will happen, no way is T****y the shill of late stage zombie capitalism.
 

"Facts about Thompson’s life that he would not have wanted published of course exist (I detail some below). But the major media’s obsession with decorum — we mustn't speak ill of the dead! — has rendered it unable to tell the truth about who this man really was."
 
True. But munching on a bagel, then seeing your target cross the street a block away (assuming you could identify him from behind a block away in the dark) is like zero chance of you getting there in time. He'd be in the Hilton before you crossed a third of the distance, sprinting. The killer knew, IMO, that it wasn't go time yet, and he was waiting for the call to get perched.
Isn't that basically what Gavrilo Princip did?
 

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