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Are there any republicans who are reasonable and not maga?

This but I think the unwillingness of mainstream dems except for folks like Carvil to say, no to any of this. And I get, the reps wouldn't do that to Trump either. There's something the Reps did wrong, if they ran anyone but Trump or Vivek, this would have been an actual landside in the popular vote and electoral college. So, it seems silly to complain about. Still, something I think the Dems did wrong.

I didn't see any of that in this election, but that might've been because I wasn't paying attention to this issue. Although some maga weirdoes in the MSN and fox forums were laughing at the dems because they didn't know what a woman was, but I try to ignore folks like that who lie to make themselves feel better about their stupidity and ignorance.

Personally, I think LGBTQ folks are ok in my book, and I have no issue with them at all, but GF seems to think I do, and that's why (IMO) they're also delusional.

Plus, the fact that they think I'm some kind of nazi because I'm a reasonable republican is laughable at best, and a good sign that the loss of this election has driven them to hate ALL republicans regardless of the fact that I voted for Harris.

I have a feeling that GV is so obsessed with this that they'll be back to call me a nazi again and again and again without any facts to back them up.

I'm a target to them, and they don't care that it's untrue, because it makes them feel better.
 
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"Those who will not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
and
"History may not repeat verbatim, but it sure throws a lot of remakes."
~~sorry I don't remember the authors


Yup, sometimes folks need to repeat history before they learn, and then sometimes, folks still don't learn.


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Yup, sometimes folks need to repeat history before they learn, and then sometimes, folks still don't ever learn.


My point is that some folks seem to want to keep calling me a nazi and blame me for trump just because I'm a reasonable republican who voted for Harris.

And it doesn't seem to matter that I repeatedly keep telling them I have a very, very personal reason for not switching parties, and that reason is none of their business, and they're delusional if they keep ignoring that by continuing to attack me.

To me, it's no better than when trump pulled a hissy fit and attacked my fellow vet McCain because he stuck a big stick up his butt when he voted against his big "beautiful" healthcare program that would replace the ACA (Obamacare).

As a matter of fact, some maga weirdoes still call him a traitor.


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Most of public controversy deals with wok'ism forcing stuff like that down the country's throat and blowing it into a bigger controversy than it should be.
Does it, though? Does it really? Or is it that people on the far-right are because they know trans people are a tiny and very vulnerable minority in the States, that most people also do not know much about, which makes them perfect targets for fear-mongering and scapegoating? How much of their days do most people really spend caring or worrying about the things you list below?

I also haven't heard anything about trans people and woks. I'll have to ask my trans friends about that.

It does NOT however justify the irrationality of such things as letting people with originally male physiologies to just steamroll
Then again that's a tiny issue in the whole debacle. Not an excuse for anyone to hate trans community or the liberal movement as a whole, as many are.

or keeping secrets from parents the idea that a minor wants to identify as another gender they weren't born as...
Okay, now you're just pearl clutching. You know why it's a problem if school staff were to start telling parents their kids were secretly LGBT. Maybe try arguing in good faith instead?

There is also a stink about public drag shows involving nudity and pornographic books being introduced in elementary schools that have come up
Probably a discussion worth having, but how many people do that? How many support it? How big of an issue is it in the big picture? Can someone come in here drop anecdotes about cis-hetero people doing creepy things and use it as an excuse to dislike straight people as a whole?
 
If you were reasonable you would not be a republican. The party left reasonableness for lawlessness a long time ago.

I want to apologize for all my mean post

I was looking through my post, and I realized that the first time I attacked you was with my post about Pnut and Elon Musk.

I didn't realize at the time how much my fellow republicans (the f******* bastards) had used this to attack the dems, and I just wanted you to know that the only reason I was upset about what happened to the pet squirrel was because of the way it was handled.

I wasn't mad at democrats for this. After all, not every dem is perfect, and I know you were defending the CDC (I think that's who it was, right?), and I can understand where you are coming from, but I was really, really upset at the way it was handled.

I can't switch parties for a very, very personal reason, and I can't lie and say I did, but I can certainly understand why you hate me, and if you still want to keep hating me, I'll just have to take it, but I hope we can somehow find a way to not be enemies any more.

I love animals and that's the only excuse I have, so please, please forgive me.


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What makes you so against having the minimum necessary lelvels of consideration for others?

And forget abourlt "the Dems take it too far", if lip service to an idea is too far for you, you're just making an excuse for yourself.


You're right, and I apologize again.


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Does it, though? Does it really? Or is it that people on the far-right are because they know trans people are a tiny and very vulnerable minority in the States, that most people also do not know much about, which makes them perfect targets for fear-mongering and scapegoating? How much of their days do most people really spend caring or worrying about the things you list below?

I also haven't heard anything about trans people and woks. I'll have to ask my trans friends about that.
The issues are primarily in the enforcement of amendments to Title IX, which broadly speaking... anything that involves inclusiveness in facilities isn't much to write home about, other than those that involve what it refers to as "gender segregated activities". Those sections dealing with access to locker rooms and extra curricular activities in accordance to gender identity rather than biological gender are the ones most average individuals object to. There are also individual-level discussions similar to this one where you have people pointing some of the more relevant contentions getting their arguments shot down because someone else takes offense referring someone by their identity vs their biology when the distinction and the analogue are relevant.

Voting pattern-wise however, I will point out that Transgender/LGBTQ issues were not my priorities. Immigration policy, inflation, and general apathy towards the trustworthiness of the media, campaign hyperboles', and quality of Biden/Harris' policy decisions, and their articulation of how to move forward were more relevant. Transgender issues are more about "micro-issues" and minutia that just pop up. Relevant, but not necessarily macro-level unless dealing with specific provisions.

Okay, now you're just pearl clutching. You know why it's a problem if school staff were to start telling parents their kids were secretly LGBT. Maybe try arguing in good faith instead?
I can't speak for every parent, but if my child was being encouraged to accept a gender identity that they weren't physically born with, and the staff serve to only encourage them to feel like they want to undergo future hormonal treatment or surgery, I think it would be my right as a parent to know what's happening to my child, as there might be other underlying issues leading them to feel that way, and more than one option to address it should be explored before it eventually evolves into encouraging the minor to act on something for which they may lack a full appreciation of the impact to their bodies. My objections however are unrelated to whether the individual is being seen and consulted over sexual orientation, and whether or not the child is in an abusive environment. Those are case by case issues.
 
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I can't speak for every parent, but if my child was being encouraged to accept a gender identity that they weren't physically born with, and the staff serve to only encourage them to feel like they want to undergo future hormonal treatment or surgery, I think it would be my right as a parent to know what's happening to my child, as there might be other underlying issues leading them to feel that way, and more than one option to address it should be explored before it eventually evolves into encouraging the minor to act on something for which they may lack a full appreciation of the impact to their bodies. My objections however are unrelated to whether the individual is being seen and consulted over sexual orientation, and whether or not the child is in an abusive environment. Those are case by case issues.

Anyone who uses the fear of this imaginary scenario as an excuse to vote for Trump and his anti-vaxxer agenda that puts all children at risk doesn’t actually care about the welfare of children and is using their own child as a shield for the bigotry they don’t want to admit.
 
There's data to confirm Safe-Keeper's point...

Overall, 28% of LGBTQ youth reported experiencing homelessness or housing instability at some point in their lives.
and...
  • Homelessness and housing instability were reported at higher rates among transgender and nonbinary youth, including 38% of transgender girls/women, 39% of transgender boys/men, and 35% of nonbinary youth, compared to 23% of cisgender LGBQ youth.
  • 16% of LGBTQ youth reported that they had slept away from parents or caregivers because they ran away from home, with more than half (55%) reporting that they ran away from home because of mistreatment or fear of mistreatment due to their LGBTQ identity.
  • 14% of LGBTQ youth reported that they had slept away from parents or caregivers because they were kicked out or abandoned, with 40% reporting that they were kicked out or abandoned due to their LGBTQ identity.
Source
Plus Confirmation

Which is why some LGBTQ youth might be rightly hesitant to involve their parents/caregivers.
 
I think realistically the question of gender here is a non-issue. What are the various alternatives really? How many of them involve a child wrongfully seeking not only a new gender identity but a new physical sex, and whose opinion of what is wrong should prevail here? How often can a child pursue medical treatment, surgery, etc. without the input of parents anyway? If the feeling of the child is not so serious, it's pretty unlikely they will go through with it when they become adults. The response of the scare mongers in this case seems always to presume a default situation in which gender change is bad and parents' feelings trump those of their children.

Speaking here as a very straight very "cis" male, I must say I am continually amazed by the attitude of people who think that gender dysphoria of the sort discussed here is trivial. I wonder at the gender security of those who consider this anything but a very big deal.

Aside from this, I must say I also wonder about someone who asserts that these are case by case issues to conclude an argument for its opposite.
 
I think the answer has to be no: listen to this - should start at around 4:49


Oh. My. God! I almost couldn't get past the, "Robert... F... Kennedy... Jr... Heavy on the F."

That was simply hilarious and classic!!!

Thanks, Darat.


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Speaking here as a very straight very "cis" male, I must say I am continually amazed by the attitude of people who think that gender dysphoria of the sort discussed here is trivial. I wonder at the gender security of those who consider this anything but a very big deal.
There's also strong undertones of the 'it's probably just a phase' thinking wrt homosexuality from the old days. Now replaced with 'shush, stop with that trans nonsense, you're too young to know!', which is strangely enough never said to cis kids the same age.
 
AmyStrange, I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if you've answered this already, but why do you still feel the need to label yourself a Republican if you voted for Harris?

It seems to me the label you call yourself If causing all this hassle for you, so why not ditch the label? Why label yourself anything?
 
AmyStrange, I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if you've answered this already, but why do you still feel the need to label yourself a Republican if you voted for Harris?

It seems to me the label you call yourself If causing all this hassle for you, so why not ditch the label? Why label yourself anything?
An interesting dilemma. He's made it clear that a switch to D is out of the question for personal reasons that may be private, but I'm not sure why, other than a sense of long game optimism, the rarely successful "work from within," he doesn't just identify as unaffiliated, as it seems at this point neither party satisfies. He would certainly not be the first person to find that neither gets fiscal and social issues right.
 
An interesting dilemma. He's made it clear that a switch to D is out of the question for personal reasons that may be private, but I'm not sure why, other than a sense of long game optimism, the rarely successful "work from within," he doesn't just identify as unaffiliated, as it seems at this point neither party satisfies. He would certainly not be the first person to find that neither gets fiscal and social issues right.

Seems he/she/they is committing the Sunk-Cost Fallacy.

Sticking with the Republican Party because they've been in it so long.
 
AmyStrange, I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if you've answered this already, but why do you still feel the need to label yourself a Republican if you voted for Harris?

It seems to me the label you call yourself If causing all this hassle for you, so why not ditch the label? Why label yourself anything?


I already explained it's very, very personal, and not because of some sense of long gamesmanship or sunk cost fallacy.

I could just lie and say I'm a democrat, but i HATE lying, and besides, why does it really, really matter?

I'm a veteran, and in my mind, a veteran ALWAYS keeps his promise, no matter how high the cost.

It's obvious that no one in ISF understands what that means.


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AmyStrange, I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if you've answered this already, but why do you still feel the need to label yourself a Republican if you voted for Harris?

It seems to me the label you call yourself If causing all this hassle for you, so why not ditch the label? Why label yourself anything?


I'll take the highlighted option and leave the politicking to everyone else. I'll just stick to my missing person thread and the books I've read one too. I won't miss the bullying at all.

At least I don't have to lie in either one of those... so bye bye to all you pretend "adults".




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An interesting dilemma. He's made it clear that a switch to D is out of the question for personal reasons that may be private, but I'm not sure why, other than a sense of long game optimism, the rarely successful "work from within," he doesn't just identify as unaffiliated, as it seems at this point neither party satisfies. He would certainly not be the first person to find that neither gets fiscal and social issues right.
It's kind of strange to me too. The Dems have been the home of rational conservatives since the Carter presidency, and the repugs left rationality and reasonableness behind when tbey followed Goldwater into the arms of the SBC and other far right christian groups.
 
Seems he/she/they is committing the Sunk-Cost Fallacy.

Sticking with the Republican Party because they've been in it so long.
Not exactly, being a Republican is a core part of their identity and it has nothing to do with actual republican beliefs or practices. Rather like an atheist who identified as catholic for some other reason than the actual beliefs and practices of the church.

I don't get this at all, why identify with an ideologically based group who you do not share their ideology. He was clear he wants to make the inheritance tax more strict with only ignoring the first million of inheritance instead of the first 13 like it is now for example. The most he has done is parrot old school republican talking points with out bringing up specifics about say which regulations are overboard, being fine with OSHA and the EPA even though those are prime targets of republicans who are against regulations.

His actual positions when drilled down to seem to be mainstream democrat.
 
AmyStrange, I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if you've answered this already, but why do you still feel the need to label yourself a Republican if you voted for Harris?

It seems to me the label you call yourself If causing all this hassle for you, so why not ditch the label? Why label yourself anything?
I can't speak for her, but I imagine it's a matter of identity. Even though she doesn't agree with any of the republican platform of today, she used to agree with what it was. However, it is still her team and she has a fantasy that the team will recover and go back to being what it was.
 
I can't speak for her, but I imagine it's a matter of identity. Even though she doesn't agree with any of the republican platform of today, she used to agree with what it was. However, it is still her team and she has a fantasy that the team will recover and go back to being what it was.


Just to clarify for everyone. I am not a she (It's in my profile). I use the name of one of the main characters (a talking Cat) in my novels as my username. The rest of your comment is just rubbish, because you're assuming something with no facts to back it up.


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Your reasons for calling yourself a republican are rubbish. That's the reason people keep guessing.
 
You're like the person who identifies as a Nazi, but actually loves all people and hates authoritarianism. I only say this because the GOP today is the party of the Nazi.
 
You're like the person who identifies as a Nazi, but actually loves all people and hates authoritarianism. I only say this because the GOP today is the party of the Nazi.


That's true, but that doesn't make me a "real" Nazi any more than it did Oskar Schindler.

Folks will believe what they want, especially liars.


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I would say the litmus test for whether someone is a Republican isn't what Democrats think of them, it's whether other Republicans would recognize them as being Republicans. If someone today claimed to be a Republican and in favor of universal healthcare, would other Republicans still consider them to be Republican? Or would they say that's a "RINO"?
 
I would say the litmus test for whether someone is a Republican isn't what Democrats think of them, it's whether other Republicans would recognize them as being Republicans. If someone today claimed to be a Republican and in favor of universal healthcare, would other Republicans still consider them to be Republican? Or would they say that's a "RINO"?

That's probably true, but calling me something doesn't delete the fact that I'm registered as a republican. A lot of folks called my fellow vet, John McCain, a RINO because he stuck a big stick up trump's butt one time, and you have to give him credit for it, unless of course you're a maga weirdo.


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Exactly my point. You don't appear to be a real republican

Which is the real fantasy, especially since I'm registered as one, but you can create any alternative-world fantasy you want, but that don't make it a fact.


ETA: Since you are saying that I'm not a republican, then why is anyone calling me a nazi, unless it makes them feel better to call me that because they are so angry at Harris lost that they need to cowardly attack someone who they think is a republican.


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I'm not calling you a nazi, you are calling yourself one when you say you are a republican.
 
I know a lot of folks won't agree with me, but I'm glad some of those "nazi" republicans stood up to the fat clown in this budget battle.


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