If anyone here wants to see the police
https://app.box.com/s/i0rpo0c0dsq3svlpjprf5dk34lgbt00a file, here is a link.
There is no doubt Syed is the killer. He lied about asking for a ride, he lied about his whereabouts multiple times. He was placed with Jay by witnesses and Jay knew the position of the body, the burial location, the method of killing, and where Hae’s car was hidden. His cell phone pinged the burial site at the time of burial. This whole charade is a travesty of justice. I have the transcripts from both trials too, if anyone is that interested. I also attended one of the appeals. This entire fiasco is Mosby’s way of deflecting attention from her own crimes and trial.
Thanks. I would be interested in the documents and trial transcripts. I don't have an account with Box though.
I have to say I basically agree with you, though. I think I looked through the documents when I was trying to figure out the story behind Jay knowing where the car was. It looked from the documents exactly how the prosecutors said it happened:
They were looking for the car, they interviewed Jay, and Jay told them where it was while also admitting to being an accomplice and implicating Adnan.
That bit, in blue, right there, is almost certainly going to be damning testimony in a murder trial. I think the only way it isn't is if you can prove that Jay was lying about those facts or the police fed the information to him.
But I honestly don't see how that makes sense in any alternative coherent story. If the cops were trying to frame Adnan, for some reason, they were playing the long game by fabricating papers saying they were looking for the car a month before they interviewed Jay, right?
But advocates for Adnan, since right at the beginning of this thread, using the podcast Undisclosed, argue that...
There are three possibilities (that I can think of) which do not support Adnan's guilt.
1. Her car had unrepaired damage - he could have spotted the car.
2. Jay did it himself.
3. The police found the car previously and they fed him the information.
The next half episode is apparently going to argue that Jay did not know where the car was.
These possibilities are mutually exclusive, and it seems advocates for Adnan are not really interested in picking one. They are only interested in muddying the waters and creating reasonable doubt. No doubt this is often an effective legal strategy, and, from the point of view of the accused and the legal team, it is all that is required.
I don't argue for any undue burden of proof for the defence, but those of us in our armchairs pontificating on the trial should make some honest attempt to make a coherent alternative, or at the very least not just rely on reasonable doubt but to show how an argument for Adnan's guilt does not stand up.
It is reasonable to ask, if not Adnan, then who?
And it is here again, that the alternatives are only half-heartedly put forward. It seems nobody really wants to come to any firm conclusions. Maybe Mr S, maybe Bilal, maybe Jay, maybe Don. Better yet, maybe some mashed together composite culprit. Why do advocates for Adnan's innocence not have a firm suspect? Because they don't really believe it. If they had to deal with the idea that Adnan is innocent, based on "reasonable doubt", they would have massive cognitive dissonance trying to come up with a different suspect.
Let's take Jay. Let's assume the reason he knew where the car was was because he murdered Hae-min Lee and disposed of the body. None of the problems with the car are solved. Why is it that the car had grass under it? Oh, maybe Jay was driving it around after the murder. That makes sense! Why did the cops want to arrest Adnan more than Jay? Oh, because Jay was trying to get out of a drug dealing charge... hey, wait? So, the cops decided to fit up Adnan instead of a black drug dealer who they actually suspected of doing the crime? And in order to make it fit, they ran the risk of coaching him and telling him to implicate an innocent man?
Similarly, why bother trying to protect Mr S, apparently not a particualrly savoury figure to begin with, or Bilal (when if the motive was Islamaphobia, they hardly needed to go to Adnan). Apparently Adnan was a upright citizen. A pillar of the community. The other suspects were not. So why frame Adnan?
Oh wait, there is one more, I suppose, and that is Don. As mentioned, maybe he is too squeaky clean and as Hae-min Lee's boyfriend, maybe he was a bit more of a suspect.
Well, that leaves another problem, according to Wikipedia...
Lee disappeared on January 13, 1999. Her family reported her missing after she failed to pick up her younger cousin from daycare around 3:15 p.m. Lee had attended Woodlawn High School that day and had been seen by several people leaving the campus at the end of the school day.
Baltimore police immediately began investigating her disappearance.[20] On that day, officers called various friends of Lee to try to find her.[20] They reached Adnan Syed, who was a former boyfriend, early around 6:30 p.m. that evening; he said the last time he saw her was around the time classes ended at school. At 1:30 a.m., they reached her boyfriend, who said he had not seen her that day.
Wait, Adnan claimed to have seen her at school that day? Did anyone else? Was he "mistaken"? Or lying? From what I understand, the police believe she was killed that day. The day when Adnan for some reason, cannot remember what he was doing half of it (an ordinary day, according to Koenig, except it clearly wasn't).
Yeah, come on, he seems pretty obviously guilty to me.
No doubt, the police ultimately made serious procedural errors, which is terrible, but if we step outside legal technicalities, is there any reason why we should doubt that Adnan did it?
