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911 and the Propaganda Model

mjd1982 said:
I am supported by the polls. You are not. People on the street in Seattle means nothing, compared to the polls. They support me, they dont you.
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Would you be saying that if, let's say, 7,000 people had shown up?

Unless you are saying that the polls reflect "everywhere but Seattle" or something, I'd be inclined to say it does mean "something".

BTW, I didn't hear of anyone demonstrating here in Dayton. Maybe I missed the notices...
 
Mr. Skinny said:
Would you be saying that if, let's say, 7,000 people had shown up?

Unless you are saying that the polls reflect "everywhere but Seattle" or something, I'd be inclined to say it does mean "something".

BTW, I didn't hear of anyone demonstrating here in Dayton. Maybe I missed the notices...
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Boston was equally as quite. I didn't get over to Cambridge (the peoples' republic) but I didn't hear anything about there either.
 
mjd1982 said:
I am supported by the polls. You are not. People on the street in Seattle means nothing, compared to the polls. They support me, they dont you.
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What about the people in New York? Or Norway? Or anywhere? You can trot out all the conflated poll numbers you want to to, but when it come down to real, live people coming out to support your beliefs, well... clearly no one cares.
 
DGM said:
Boston was equally as quite. I didn't get over to Cambridge (the peoples' republic) but I didn't hear anything about there either.
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The local "hotbed of communism" (as I like to call it :) ) in the Dayton area is Antioch University in Yellow Springs. I didn't hear of anything going on their either.
 
mjd1982 said:
Firstly, it wasnt the insurance companies taht paid out, as I said before. It was the re, and re re insurance companies.
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I disagree with this statement. Who do you think issues re-insurance if not insurance companies? There were some pretty heavy hitters among the insurers.
 
mjd1982 said:
I am supported by the polls. You are not. People on the street in Seattle means nothing, compared to the polls. They support me, they dont you.
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If people on the street in Seattle mean nothing, why do you put so much stock in the alleged conversations you have with people on the street in your community?
 
mjd1982 said:
I am supported by the polls. You are not. People on the street in Seattle means nothing, compared to the polls. They support me, they dont you.
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Really?

Total number of current signatories: 15115 (8 pending review)
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http://www.justicefor911.org/

That’s approx 0.005% of America. Where are the other 119,984,885 people that support you? Maybe they couldn't be bothered to sign an online petition in support of you.
 
mjd1982 said:
2 problems here:

2. Firstly, it wasnt the insurance companies taht paid out, as I said before. It was the re, and re re insurance companies.
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I'm sorry but I really have to ask. Does this (re, and re re) really mean something in insurance-speak? Honestly I don't know.

And what about the Sun Ra Orkestra? Hah?
 
mjd1982 said:
I am supported by the polls.
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Chwala Bogu! Czy mozna... Polacy...

Oh, sorry. I'm afraid you can't lay this one off on the Poles. "Marsz, marsz, Dabrowski,/ Z ziemi wloskiej do Polski..."
 
mjd1982 said:
2 problems here:

1. A strong correlation between 2 things, by definition, suggest causality. There is, of course, the caveat of datamining, and coincidences, but when the correlation is supported by evident facts, some of whih are listed in my OP, then this makes this possibility unlikely.
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Not by definition, and "suggests" is about as decisive a verb as you can use there. (Certainly not "proves," and not "implies" or "provides strong evidence" either.)

There is a correlation between watermelon sales and fireworks accidents in the U.S.. What causality is suggested by this? Does watermelon cause fireworks accidents, or do fireworks accidents increase the demand for watermelon? Are these "suggestions" valid?

2. Firstly, it wasnt the insurance companies taht paid out, as I said before. It was the re, and re re insurance companies. These are not the ruling power strctures. The corporate elites, the massive corporations, have benefitted from 9/11, as have the political elites. That some re re insurance companies, not even all of which are American, have had to pay out, is insignificant.
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Shuffling the approximately (conservatively) 20 billion dollars in total 9/11-caused insurance payouts (the WTC insurance is the tip of the iceberg) among different companies doesn't make it go away. It takes enormous organized corporate power to come up with 20 billion dollars of liquidity. And what about the banks, the stock brokerages, the entire major industry sectors that were also harmed?

The main power structures have benefitted, as have the US government. Mass censorship of rudimnentary detail suggests that they are being protected by such censorships.
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You need to state how you define "the main power structures." What are the criteria you use to differentiate a "main power structure" from an interest that happens to have a lot of money or power but is not a "main power structure"? Note that as long as your only answer is "by whether or not they benefitted from 9/11," your assertion quoted immediately above is a meaningless tautology.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
SDC said:
I'm sorry but I really have to ask. Does this (re, and re re) really mean something in insurance-speak? Honestly I don't know.
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Yes, reinsurance does mean something in insurance-speak. However, I seriously doubt that it means what mjd1982 thinks it means.

To state it in a somewhat oversimplied manner, it is a means by which one insurance company (the reinsurer) agrees to indemnify another insurance company (the ceding insurer) against loss. For instance, Company A writes a policy to Customer 1. Then, Company A pays a premium to Company B so that in the event of a loss on Customer 1's policy, Company B indemnifies Company A against some or all of Company A's payout to Customer 1.

The impetus behind reinsurance is the same as it is with all insurance; that is, to spread risk. It is a very common practice. It allows the ceding insurer to address their own business needs while still writing large amounts of insurance, and protecting themselves somewhat from a massive catastrophic loss or multiple large losses, among other things.
 
LashL said:
Yes, reinsurance does mean something in insurance-speak. However, I seriously doubt that it means what mjd1982 thinks it means.

To state it in a somewhat oversimplied manner, it is a means by which one insurance company (the reinsurer) agrees to indemnify another insurance company (the ceding insurer) against loss. For instance, Company A writes a policy to Customer 1. Then, Company A pays a premium to Company B so that in the event of a loss on Customer 1's policy, Company B indemnifies Company A against some or all of Company A's payout to Customer 1.

The impetus behind reinsurance is the same as it is with all insurance; that is, to spread risk. It is a very common practice. It allows the ceding insurer to address their own business needs while still writing large amounts of insurance, and protecting themselves somewhat from a massive catastrophic loss or multiple large losses, among other things.
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It's also worth noting that reinsurance generally has very high deductibles; I seem to recall that the primary insurers of the WTC paid 30% of the total amount of claims, and the other 70% was paid by reinsurers, though I don't currently have a source for this.
 
mjd1982 said:
Cos the average person disagrees with you in their droves! I know this because i talk to crowds about this. I have done such today in Parliamant Square. You havent. This is why you are a disconnected fringe movement, indirectly complicit in the murderous, never ending War on Terror.
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Pssst, it's spelled "Parliament". Not with an "a" as the final vowel.

Anyhow, I'd like to see a video of your speeches at Parliament Square with all your droves of admirers in attendance. Can you rustle one up and throw us a YouTube of yourself plying your trade?

I promise I won't laugh...much.
 
Myriad said:
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2. Firstly, it wasnt the insurance companies taht paid out, as I said before. It was the re, and re re insurance companies. These are not the ruling power strctures. The corporate elites, the massive corporations, have benefitted from 9/11, as have the political elites. That some re re insurance companies, not even all of which are American, have had to pay out, is insignificant.
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Shuffling the approximately (conservatively) 20 billion dollars in total 9/11-caused insurance payouts (the WTC insurance is the tip of the iceberg) among different companies doesn't make it go away. It takes enormous organized corporate power to come up with 20 billion dollars of liquidity. And what about the banks, the stock brokerages, the entire major industry sectors that were also harmed?
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What about the re-insurers themselves? Good grief, mjd1982, please try and find out what you're talking about before you denigrate a vital industry like that.

This may seem like a small point, but the MSM "corporate propaganda model" has also been derelict in reporting this gem: http://www.swissre.com/pws/media ce...nt on wtc litigation appeal confirmation.html. I figured that it wasn't over when the insurance trade papers excoriated the "pull it" Larry Silverstein in 2003 and 2004. You will still find "truthers" implying that the leaseholder "won big" on 9/11 and that this was the reason the WTC complex was "demolished".

I can't recall exactly, but I believe there are roughly two dozen firms involved in the Silverstein Properties legal battles and I would imagine nearly all of them will use (or have used) this 2006 decision in their preparations.

Again, I have rarely encountered anyone as misinformed or presumptuous as mjd1982 on the internet--and I've seen a lot of misinformed and presumptuous folks. In mjd1982's weird world, all events have just three outcomes:

1] Deliberately supports the "power elites".
2] Ends capitalism entirely.
3] Is "insignificant".

You really have "droves" of admirers supporting that world-view?
 
mjd1982 said:
I am supported by the polls. You are not. People on the street in Seattle means nothing, compared to the polls. They support me, they dont you.
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If you dont have people on the street, and only have polls, you have lost.

The TM is a dodo.

Real movements for change actually get out on the streets and fight for what they believe in, they dont hide in forums acting like spoilt children because other people disagree wih them.

Polls mean absolutely zero

Nothing

Get over it
 
funk de fino said:
If you dont have people on the street, and only have polls, you have lost.

The TM is a dodo.

Real movements for change actually get out on the streets and fight for what they believe in, they dont hide in forums acting like spoilt children because other people disagree wih them.

Polls mean absolutely zero

Nothing

Get over it
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Yes, it does seem the segment of the population with a strong predilection towards 9/11 Trutherism lacks the level of motivation one would think such a position (conviction?) entails.
 
LashL said:
If people on the street in Seattle mean nothing, why do you put so much stock in the alleged conversations you have with people on the street in your community?
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You have missed the point. The opinion of the people is one thing- their activism is another. All we are looking at here is their opinion
 
stilicho said:
What about the re-insurers themselves? Good grief, mjd1982, please try and find out what you're talking about before you denigrate a vital industry like that.

This may seem like a small point, but the MSM "corporate propaganda model" has also been derelict in reporting this gem: http://www.swissre.com/pws/media ce...nt on wtc litigation appeal confirmation.html. I figured that it wasn't over when the insurance trade papers excoriated the "pull it" Larry Silverstein in 2003 and 2004. You will still find "truthers" implying that the leaseholder "won big" on 9/11 and that this was the reason the WTC complex was "demolished".

I can't recall exactly, but I believe there are roughly two dozen firms involved in the Silverstein Properties legal battles and I would imagine nearly all of them will use (or have used) this 2006 decision in their preparations.

Again, I have rarely encountered anyone as misinformed or presumptuous as mjd1982 on the internet--and I've seen a lot of misinformed and presumptuous folks. In mjd1982's weird world, all events have just three outcomes:

1] Deliberately supports the "power elites".
2] Ends capitalism entirely.
3] Is "insignificant".

You really have "droves" of admirers supporting that world-view?
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This is a swiss company- it is not relevant to a US power structure.

Please think before you write.
 
funk de fino said:
If you dont have people on the street, and only have polls, you have lost.

The TM is a dodo.

Real movements for change actually get out on the streets and fight for what they believe in, they dont hide in forums acting like spoilt children because other people disagree wih them.

Polls mean absolutely zero

Nothing

Get over it
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Polls reflect public opinion. that is all i am using them for, for the mo
 
Slayhamlet said:
Yes, it does seem the segment of the population with a strong predilection towards 9/11 Trutherism lacks the level of motivation one would think such a position (conviction?) entails.
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This may be so. This is a shame. But, for the moment, it is not relevant.
 
mjd1982 said:
You have missed the point. The opinion of the people is one thing- their activism is another. All we are looking at here is their opinion
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Are you suggesting that the activism of people who agree with your position is virtually non-existent? Can you provide an example of this happening with another issue? In every instance I can think of, as public support grew, so did the visible activism. Your argument is that truthers will answer polls but are otherwise lumps in their mother's basements. Hmmm, maybe that is believable.
 
stilicho said:
Pssst, it's spelled "Parliament". Not with an "a" as the final vowel.

Anyhow, I'd like to see a video of your speeches at Parliament Square with all your droves of admirers in attendance. Can you rustle one up and throw us a YouTube of yourself plying your trade?

I promise I won't laugh...much.
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Actually some of the demonstrators I have seen on vacation in London around the Houses of Parliament serve a useful purpose..they keep the Tourists waiting in line to get in Westminster Abbey some free entertainment.
 
mjd1982 said:
This may be so. This is a shame. But, for the moment, it is not relevant.
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Poor Mjd's posts are looking tired; worn down; as if he has taken last weekend's widespread debacle to heart. I hate to see such a sprightly fellow become so deflated.

Come on, young sprat; if it will make you feel better to attack or abuse me, go ahead. Any theme you like.

I can take it. I've been married for 29 yrs 8 mos. To the same woman.
 
leftysergeant said:
The corporate media filters what the lazy and semi-literatre hear and read. WHADDA SUPRIZE! Those of us who read and listen to alternative radio like AAR and actually have lives which bring us into contact with real people in 3D know someone is gaming us.

And I can see that someone is trying to game the internet, by putting up garbage-laden blogs and invading every political or scientific discussion message board into which they can stick their slimy tentacles.

White nationalism would still be gasping for its last breath, had those useless wankers not found the web.

So now, they can spread disinfo to raise concerns among the exciteable rednecks that the gubmint has gone rougue and there is nothin ya can do about it but getcher gun and go overthrow the SOBs.

9/11 was such a unique event in history that few people can even get their minds around it. Butr an expert counsellor can help them. A counselor can show them how to process that information into an activist attitude.

White nationalists are good at very little in this world, but they do know how to bend people's minds around the idea that government is not to be trusted.

Actually, the white nationalists have it easier than the government. They don't really need to fix any problems.
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Lefty,

Do you think there will be a revolution in this country?
 
MaGZ said:
Isn’t Dylan and Bremas Jewish?

Oh, I get it, the Protocols were written by Jews.
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Source?

Not that it matters in the real world, but I'm wondering whether you're simply trying to discredit them in your usual twisted way because you disagree with their conclusions (i.e., they don't blame the Jews enough).
 
Slayhamlet said:
Source?

Not that it matters in the real world, but I'm wondering whether you're simply trying to discredit them in your usual twisted way because you disagree with their conclusions (i.e., they don't blame the Jews enough).
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You mean to tell me you can look at these two characters and not think Jew?

Is it an issue if they are Jewish?

Ha! discredit them. Isn’t the point of this entire forum to discredit them?
 
MaGZ said:
You mean to tell me you can look at these two characters and not think Jew?
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No evidence, then?

Is it an issue if they are Jewish?
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It is to you. Hence why I said it doesn't matter in the real world, but it does in regard to your twisted motives.

Ha! discredit them. Isn’t the point of this entire forum to discredit them?
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Of course it is, but not by saying they must be Jewish, with the implication that Jews always lie. What a disgusting sack of filth you are.
 
Slayhamlet said:
No evidence, then?



It is to you. Hence why I said it doesn't matter in the real world, but it does in regard to your twisted motives.



Of course it is, but not by saying they must be Jewish, with the implication that Jews always lie. What a disgusting sack of filth you are.
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Don’t you want to know if these two kids are Jewish? Why are you afraid to have an answer to this question? Why is this subject taboo?
 
MaGZ said:
Don’t you want to know if these two kids are Jewish? Why are you afraid to have an answer to this question? Why is this subject taboo?
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It's not taboo. What the hell is wrong with you? Can't you read? I asked you to provide some evidence for why you think they are Jewish. You have not. Why?

And as I said, it makes no difference in the real world (i.e. to everybody but you and your fellow anti-Semites) whether they're Jewish or not. I will gladly acccept the fact that they are Jewish if you can show me some proof of this, but it looks to me like you're just making them out to be Jewish because you think them disagreeable, much as you do with Joseph Stalin.
 
mjd1982 said:
This is a swiss company- it is not relevant to a US power structure.

Please think before you write.
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Do you know anything about what you write? Or does it just flow effortlessly?

http://www.swissre.com/pws/investor...urance company zurich.html#Major shareholders

The majority shareholders of Swiss Re are not gay chocolate watchmakers from Switzerland. (By "gay" I mean "happy"). They are large American investment corporations including Franklin-Templeton and The Capital Group.

I have a feeling you are just playing--that you've never actually read anything about the insurance industry.

You never answer any questions. You are entirely wrong when you try these "Oscar Wilde" style putdowns. And you are proven so, over and over again.

Why do you keep on maintaining your presumptuousness when you have no idea at all what you're talking about?
 
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