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9/11: The Smoking Gun

I am not ashamed and it was almost certainly on WABC in NYC... which is a right leaning station. Not much to listen to radio wise... Air America is gone... so it's mostly right wing bloviators in my opinion. Obviously there is an audience for that.
 
Does that "radio talking-head" have a name? That statement is a blatent antisamnitic slur and
this "talking-head should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You
practice your craft in New York City i believe. Name the radio station's call letters as well.
You should be ashamed to post this garbage statement to
a public forum with no evidence to back the "talking dimwit's" asinine tripe.

Anybody want to tell him?

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Does that "radio talking-head" have a name? That statement is a blatent antisamnitic slur and
this "talking-head should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You
practice your craft in New York City i believe. Name the radio station's call letters as well.
You should be ashamed to post this garbage statement to
a public forum with no evidence to back the "talking dimwit's" asinine tripe.

Are Gotti's family Samnites?

Is there a reason you waited for over a year to get all false-outraged about this?

Who are you quoting as saying "talking dimwit"?

Finally, isn't the entire 'Truther' movement based on garbage statements without evidence?

fonebone: Rather than pretending to take umbrage with this comment, how about posting a detailed explanation of what you think about Yankee451's claims, with some evidence? Might be more productive.
 
Are Gotti's family Samnites?


John Gotti was born in NYC NY as were both of his parents.
His grandparents were born in San_Giuseppe_Vesuviano

https://en.wikipedia.org San_Giuseppe_Vesuviano
located 20 kilometers East of Naples Italy.
If you examine this map of ancient tribal territories,
expanded from you link,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samnites
Naples is located just to the left of the border of Roman(dark orange) and Samnitium(dark green) regions.
Technically, Naples is located on the Samnitium peninsula as shown on the map as a dark orange area separated from the Roman territory proper.

Samnitium, circa 400 BC, spanned from the Mediterranean Sea on the Western shore to the Adriatic sea on the eastern shore.
John Gotti's Grandparents were Samnitic.


Is there a reason you waited for over a year to get all false-outraged about this?
Yes! I'm not generally a multi-tasker. I usually concentrate on one task at a time. Sometimes
a reply takes me over a year to create. Would you like see an example?



Who are you quoting as saying "talking dimwit"?
JSanderO didn't supply the offenders name -- only the station's call letters
WABC NY

Finally, isn't the entire 'Truther' movement based on garbage statements without evidence?
It might appear that way to the simple minded.. Let's find out right here in this thread. OK?
P.S. Welcome back to the forum.


`fonebone: Rather than pretending to take umbrage with this comment, how about posting a detailed explanation of what you think about Yankee451's claims, with some evidence? Might be more productive.
Excellent Idea- Stick around--
Meanwhile I would suggest you read the thread to catch up
on current progress of the thread. Bic?
 
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And this video dropped on Youtube two weeks ago illustrating how the towers collapsed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NkBfLBov5Q

Clevr animation and a clear explanation. Amazing what computer technology can do today. Makes me wonder why A&E Truth has yet to spend their money on actual simulations.:thumbsup:


Best technical video yet on exactly how the WTC1 north tower was struck
by the Boeing 787
https://youtu.be/1NkBfLBov5Q?t=334
You debunkers are a HOOT


BTW could you kindly request a mod to remove your post and my reply and be moved to a new thread please.
It is Off Topic here. Thank you !
 
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It was a 767, regardless of what you or anyone else believes.


Effective imediately
Sorry , One of your comrades just modified and updated the official narrative
detailing the physics of the WTC tower one, the North tower collapse.
The plane shaped hole was not large enough to convince skeptical peons and the
consultants suggested enlarging the scar by changing the plane from the Boeing 767
to a larger Boeing 787. Hence, all WTC and Pentagon planes will reflect this updated information
as seen in our latest video https://youtu.be/1NkBfLBov5Q?t=334
Note the shape and size of the Plane scar now spans from East wall to the West wall
updated video also reflects these changes.
Perhaps you missed the directive .
Sincerely -Winston Smith Assistant Flunky@ Ministry of Truth
 
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Effective imediately
Sorry , One of your comrades just modified and updated the official narrative
detailing the physics of the WTC tower one, the North tower collapse.
The plane shaped hole was not large enough to convince skeptical peons and the
consultants suggested enlarging the scar by changing the plane from the Boeing 767
to a larger Boeing 787. Hence, all WTC and Pentagon planes will reflect this updated information
as seen in our latest video https://youtu.be/1NkBfLBov5Q?t=334
Note the shape and size of the Plane scar now spans from East wall to the West wall
updated video also reflects these changes.
Perhaps you missed the directive .
Sincerely -Winston Smith Assistant Flunky@ Ministry of Truth
October 2011
The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is a passenger aircraft made by Boeing. Its first flight took place on 15 December 2009. It was planned to be released earlier, but the first passenger flight of the airplane was in October 2011. Because of delays some airlines got their aircraft more than two years late.
Not possible. the hole was large enough to be made by a 767, which it was of course.
Not anyone in my circle of debunkers.
 
Heard a radio talking head claim the collapse was caused by crappy insulation associated with a Gotti family contractor.


Does that "radio talking-head" have a name? That statement is a blatent antisamnitic slur and
this "talking-head should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.


A couple of things here, that would be obvious to any reasonable person, but for just as obvious a reason, I must spell out for you.


Referring to a Gotti family contractor is NOT antisamnitic, but anti-racketeering, anti-murder, anti-conspiracy to murder, anti-loansharking, anti-illegal gambling, anti-obstruction of justice, anti-bribery, and anti-tax evasion. Your misinterpretation of this straight-forward association is just as horribly misconstrued as your interpretations of the events on, and findings after, the 9/11 attacks.

It's also ironic that you would want someone prosecuted for your perceived slur, when you have done that (cast aspersions) in perpetuum to everyone you blame in your fantasy version of those attacks. You and logic/reason are diametrically opposed.
 
Can you explain why the "NOSE OUT" in that image, and its shadow, are two orders of magnitude larger than the nose of the AGM86D missile shown in the photo in your previous post?


This image is the North-East Bevel of the WTC2 South tower missile exit hole on the eighty first floor North-East bevel. Both WTC twin Towers had vertical structual steel columns at the corner bevels at every second floor. This structual vertical beam in the floor above the missile exit hole, the eighty second the floor, The floor height is exactly twelve feet
and minus the floor foot height of the horizontal plate steel spandrel belt leaves an eight foot opening for the missile to exit.



The AGM-86D missile is two foot six inches in diameter and twenty feet nine inches in length.


How do you calculate "two orders of Magnitude"larger exit hole versus the
missile glowing orange entrance hole?
 
John Gotti was born in NYC NY as were both of his parents.
His grandparents were born in San_Giuseppe_Vesuviano

https://en.wikipedia.org San_Giuseppe_Vesuviano
located 20 kilometers East of Naples Italy.
If you examine this map of ancient tribal territories,
expanded from you link,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samnites
Naples is located just to the left of the border of Roman(dark orange) and Samnitium(dark green) regions.
Technically, Naples is located on the Samnitium peninsula as shown on the map as a dark orange area separated from the Roman territory proper.

Samnitium, circa 400 BC, spanned from the Mediterranean Sea on the Western shore to the Adriatic sea on the eastern shore.
John Gotti's Grandparents were Samnitic.

My point was that, until now, I was not aware that 'antisamnitism' was a thing. Perhaps I misunderstood: were you just joking?

Yes! I'm not generally a multi-tasker. I usually concentrate on one task at a time. Sometimes
a reply takes me over a year to create. Would you like see an example?

Now I'm sure you're joking.


JSanderO didn't supply the offenders name -- only the station's call letters
WABC NY

Sorry, but that doesn't answer my question. You put the words "talking dimwit" in quote marks, thus indicating this was a quote. Whom were you quoting?

It might appear that way to the simple minded.. Let's find out right here in this thread. OK?

We already have: yankee451's insane theory is based on garbage statements without evidence.
In other threads, paloalto's feverish imaginings fall into the same category.
As do the entirely evidence-free claims by AE911T.
Returning to this thread, then, sure- let's see. Do you have any actual evidence of missiles? Debris, videos, radar, specifics of what type of missile, where they were fired from, who authorised the launch, under whose auspices, and the paper trail of those missiles, which are obviously now missing from the inventory. We have, after all, been waiting for over 20 years for this evidence: another day or so won't make much difference. Somehow, though, I doubt this thread will differ in that respect from any of the other 9/11 threads on this forum. Reams of bold assertions, phrased in sneering and condescending tones ("simple minded" being an obvious example), followed shortly thereafter by an ignominious retreat from the fray due to a total inability to provide a scrap of evidence to back up said claims.
So, yeah, let's see, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

P.S. Welcome back to the forum.

Thanks.

Excellent Idea- Stick around--
Meanwhile I would suggest you read the thread to catch up
on current progress of the thread. Bic?

Catch up? Perhaps you should take your own advice. My first post in this thread was August 22nd 2022. Had you read the thread, you would have remembered that.
And I still don't need a biro, thank you.
 
My point was that, until now, I was not aware that 'antisamnitism' was a thing. Perhaps I misunderstood: were you just joking?

Originally Posted by Fonebone
Yes! I'm not generally a multi-tasker. I usually concentrate on one task at a time. Sometimes
a reply takes me over a year to create. Would you like see an example?


Now I'm sure you're joking.
Joking ? No,I'm not joking
example....

criticism 10june 2012

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8359984#post8359984
please fix it for us
my reply 23 december 2021

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10083704#post10083704

Sorry, but that doesn't answer my question. You put the words "talking dimwit" in quote marks, thus indicating this was a quote. Whom were you quoting?
JSanderO



We already have: yankee451's insane theory is based on garbage statements without evidence.
In other threads, paloalto's feverish imaginings fall into the same category.
As do the entirely evidence-free claims by AE911T.
Returning to this thread, then, sure- let's see. Do you have any actual evidence of missiles? Debris, videos, radar, specifics of what type of missile, where they were fired from, who authorised the launch, under whose auspices, and the paper trail of those missiles, which are obviously now missing from the inventory. We have, after all, been waiting for over 20 years for this evidence: another day or so won't make much difference. Somehow, though, I doubt this thread will differ in that respect from any of the other 9/11 threads on this forum. Reams of bold assertions, phrased in sneering and condescending tones ("simple minded" being an obvious example), followed shortly thereafter by an ignominious retreat from the fray due to a total inability to provide a scrap of evidence to back up said claims.
So, yeah, let's see, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Thanks.

Catch up? Perhaps you should take your own advice. My first post in this thread was August 22nd 2022. Had you read the thread, you would have remembered that.
And I still don't need a biro, thank you.
Bic?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6150137#post6150137
 
Originally Posted by JSanderO
Heard a radio talking head claim the collapse was caused by crappy insulation associated with a Gotti family contractor.

Does that "radio talking-head" have a name? That statement is a blatent antisamnitic slur and
this "talking-head should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You
practice your craft in New York City i believe. Name the radio station's call letters as well.
You should be ashamed to post this garbage statement to
a public forum with no evidence to back the "talking dimwit's" asinine tripe.

A search of use of the word 'dimwit' by JSanderO in this thread gives no results. Can you link to the post where he said this, please?


JSanderO used the term talking head.
Fonebone repeated the term enclosed in quotation marks.
Fonebone corrupted the term JSanderO used and enclosed the
term in quotation marks.
Are you still flummoxed ?

An entirely inadequate, though wholly predictable, response to a request for evidence from a truther. Same old same old, for over 20 years now.
It's easy to flummox a lummox __Samuel Clemens
 
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Couple quick questions, just on this page:

John Gatti's grandparents were from Naples, so that means they are pure line direct descendants of that exact area going back to 400 BC, or was that I joke I didn't get?

Is the jetliner being now declared to have been a 787 based on some guy who drew in those numbers on an illustration for a YT video, or was there some official statement, or is the illustrator dude actually the puppetmaster of the whole operation and slipped up, or what?
 
Couple quick questions, just on this page:

John Gatti's grandparents were from Naples, so that means they are pure line direct descendants of that exact area going back to 400 BC, or was that I joke I didn't get?

Is the jetliner being now declared to have been a 787 based on some guy who drew in those numbers on an illustration for a YT video, or was there some official statement, or is the illustrator dude actually the puppetmaster of the whole operation and slipped up, or what?

Shear stupidity, the hole was created by a 767 full stop, no matter what the slight of hand in the video represents. Another bit of misdirection.
 
fantasy of missiles, evidence is not required

Bump :Addressed to Yankee451
Greetings Yankee - Fonebone here.
Your "smoking Gun " thread is one year and a few days old and the views are approaching twenty five thousand. Time for an update if you have uncovered
additional evidence. Thanks -Fonebone

Yankee has no evidence, he has an insane claim. Yankee, like you, lives in a fantasy world.

Yankee has a fantasy of a missle, which has less mass than one engine on flight 11 and 175. Makes the claims of a missile dumber than a box of rocks.

Note: fantasy missile has LESS MASS than one engine on the real aircraft - lol this can't get dumber, but it will as you and Yankee double down on stupid claims.

The warhead on the missile has less energy than the KE (aka Kinetic energy) of the aircraft that hit the WTC. oops, physics kills missile fantasy... again, but this does not stop stupid claims...

More insanity, thinking the missile can carry jet fuel to create the jet fuel fireball seen on 9/11 at aircraft impact. The jet fuel fireball is equal to more than 20 times the weight of a missile. oops, the missle can't make the jet fuel fireball seen on 9/11. Proof 9/11 truthers with insane claims can't do math, physics, and fail to join reality for two decades.


There was no evidence for Yankee. Hope of additional evidence to support the missile fantasy... lol
 
...
Fonebone corrupted the term JSanderO used and enclosed the
term in quotation marks. ...

We are best advised now to consider in the future that EVERY bit of what you claim to be "evidece", "quotes", "facts" is likewise "corrupted" by you - i.e. made up from whole cloth with a clear intention to decieve.

Aka "lies".

Thanks for demonstrating in such detail how you go to lenghts and even to pain in order to lie, to falsify, to corrupt, to libel.
 
Looks to be normal size here. And if you look at the second, sped-up video, you can see how the impact made the entire building sway. That could ONLY be caused by the momentum of a fully-laden full-size 767.


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Once again, the enemies of truth and justice have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers.
 
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Once again, ...

Once again? Got an example of when this happened before?

Funny thing is: Until recently, and for a few months, I got such "unsafe" and "virus" alerts from my anti-virus SW when I attempted to open any ae911truth.org articles (the homepage / root seemed to be safe, the alert came when clicking any internal link there).

Would you say that AE911T are "the enemies of truth and justice [who] have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers"?
 
Fonebone
Once again, the enemies of truth and justice have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers.
Once again? Got an example of when this happened before?
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One example of "dirty and underhanded tactics" utilized by the
"truth-denier gaggle" is illustrated here!
Fonebone< https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13170785#post13170785


Click on the link supplied in the post and view the video and hear the TV reporter live shouting
"--huge explosion, raining debris down on all of us."
The link is broken--
In the very next post a "cunning Linguist" outlines the dirty tactic.
Would you like to see another example of "dirty underhanded tactics"?
Before you answer, consult this link
http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_5_118Witnesses_WorldTradeCenter.pdf
Firemen testimonies about explosions in black and white.

The video broken link is preserved here...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPVNLLo-mI
 
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Fonebone



One example of "dirty and underhanded tactics" utilized by the
"truth-denier gaggle" is illustrated here!
Fonebone< https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13170785#post13170785


Click on the link supplied in the post and view the video and hear the TV reporter live shouting
"--huge explosion, raining debris down on all of us."
The link is broken--
In the very next post a "cunning Linguist" outlines the dirty tactic.
Would you like to see another example of "dirty underhanded tactics"?
Before you answer, consult this link
http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_5_118Witnesses_WorldTradeCenter.pdf
Firemen testimonies about explosions in black and white.

The video broken link is preserved here...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPVNLLo-mI

It's a slow day, so I'll explain the obvious (again)...

All of the NYC 9-11 attacks and aftermath events are on video. They were recorded from multiple angles by people who didn't know each other; some professional, some law enforcement, and the rest were citizens with cameras. We have thousands of still images, and many videos ranging in quality.

They all show the same thing: 2 commercial jets flew into each of the towers of the WTC. The resulting fire and structural damage caused them to collapse. WTC-7 was raked by WTC-1 as it came down, and collapsed after burning for several hours. WTC-7 was allowed to burn as it was evacuated, and due to the already catastrophic loss of 343 firefighters, and the structural damage of many of the remaining WTC buildings the surviving fire incident command wasn't willing to risk more lives. WTC-7 collapsed over a period of 20 minutes allowing rescue personnel in the area to get clear before the outer shell came down.

None of these facts are in dispute by any reasonable people.

Yes, firefighters reported the sound of explosions. There are things inside tall building which will explode when exposed to fire. I'm not sure how this fact has evaded your knowledge, but it is not suspicious. And not everything that looks and or sound like an explosion is an explosion. The NYP Bomb Squad was positioned right outside WTC-7, they never reported explosions. FDNY, the NY State Police, FBI, and ATF had investigators onsite during the recovery, and clearing of "The Pile" at ground zero. No evidence of explosives were found in the remains of the WTC.

In the 23 years since 9-11, no firefighters have come forward with claims, no FBI, ATF, or NYPD investigators have leaked details of their work to the press to dispute the "official story". In this same timeframe we've had dozens of high-profile leaks from US intelligence agencies, and the FBI, and DoD. We even have UFO cultists working in the Pentagon leaking videos of party balloons in Iraq. Yet nothing from any of the dozens of 9-11 investigations has been leaked. Why is that? If the biggest social/political event in US history since WWII was a lie, where is the evidence? We have people staging walk-outs at the State Department over our support of Israel, but everyone's cool with the murder of 3,000 Americans, and 24 years of war?

My question is in 2024, why are the only people still chasing 9-11 CTs are either scam artists or antisocial fools?
 


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Once again, the enemies of truth and justice have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers.

Mods: is there any truth to fonebone's claim of a trojan virus in that link?
Or is this an example of a dirty and underhanded tactic in an attempt to impede or scuttle truth-seekers?
 
Mods: is there any truth to fonebone's claim of a trojan virus in that link?
Or is this an example of a dirty and underhanded tactic in an attempt to impede or scuttle truth-seekers?

The link did trigger a warning of a possible trojan. The original post was edited with the following edit comment, didn't realise it had also been quoted. The quoted post has now also been edited.
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Posted By: Darat
 
The link did trigger a warning of a possible trojan. The original post was edited with the following edit comment, didn't realise it had also been quoted. The quoted post has now also been edited.
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YIKES!!!! I apologize to everyone, and hope no one has been affected/infected by that link. Obviously (I hope) I received no such warning the times I used it. I just checked my computer system's security logs and found no unwanted activity. Regardless, thanks for cleaning up the mess, Darat.
 


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Once again, the enemies of truth and justice have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers.


I do have a question for you regarding this oddly timed revelation. Since my OP in question was posted over a year prior to your complaint, what took so long for you to look/comment on it?

And for anyone else that may know, how long would it take for an unprincipled lunatic to attach a trojan horse to someone else's website, even if said loony wasn't all that smart?
 
I do have a question for you regarding this oddly timed revelation. Since my OP in question was posted over a year prior to your complaint, what took so long for you to look/comment on it?

And for anyone else that may know, how long would it take for an unprincipled lunatic to attach a trojan horse to someone else's website, even if said loony wasn't all that smart?

Fonebone regularly takes over a year to respond to posts. Something to do with an inability to multitask.
 
Once again, the enemies of truth and justice have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers.

The link was posted for everyone to see. It was not targetted at Truthers: anyone on this forum could have clicked on it. It's the same insane, implausible scattergun tactic that is claimed for chemtrails: the Evil ThemTM are attacking their own people, presumably because they are Evil. :rolleyes:
 
YIKES!!!! I apologize to everyone...

Why?
No doubt the link was fine when you posted it, or at least security software that was current at the time gave no warnings, so you did nothing wrong.
It is entirely possible that the content you linked to has been changed. Such happens all the time. The internet is not hewn in granite.
I think we all have realized the perils of following links, and learned how to cope with them, more than 20 years ago (or learned it early in school, if you are younger).

That fonebone would throw a tantrum might indicate merely that he doesn't understand how the internet works. Which would go a long way to explaining why he still buys into conspiracy theories.
 
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