They're not at his mercy. They're behind him. They're how he got into the position he's in now, not the other way around.how do the Democrats get Biden to announce he's not running, and that he's not endorsing Kamala?
Fix your quote codes, TA, you've blurred my words with yours.
shouldn't the Thread title be "2024 Election Threat "?
Nobody should debate with Trump. Trump doesn't debate, he doesn't listen, he doesn't take his turn, he doesn't follow the agreed rules, he is just plain bullying rude and he just talks over everyone all the time. The only way he believes how to win is to be the narcissistic turd in the punch-bowl and ruin the debate, not make points or argument.
So everyone on both sides, and all the mainstream TV channels, should just ignore any attempt to engage with him in any debate-like situation, even if their event is utterly contrived and stage-managed for public consumption.
It's never a debate with Trump, it's a chance for him to have snarky interruption fest and get the focus on himself. It would be a loudmouth game of pigeon-chess, with the pigeon taking selfies while he tossed the board.
The best analogy for a debate with Trump is "wrestling with a pig." All that happens is you get dirty and the pig loves it.
I blame not proof reading your post. You need not look for every typo but people can do a quick check to see if videos play, links work and quote codes are right. It wasn't software, you missed a bracket.Outside the edit window, so I've asked the Mods to edit. .... Let's blame the software.) ...
I forgot about the Boy Scouts thing.If it came to a debate, IMO, The Fat Orange Turd starts with a distinct disadvantage. Biden might be getting a bit shaky on his pins, but he is still pretty sharp mentally compared with The Fat Orange Turd.
I've been keeping score, and so far I have yet to see Biden make any gaffes that even remotely compare with these corkers from the prolapsed orange anus.
- Telling Americans that covid can be cured by shining a light inside the body, or by drinking/injecting bleach.
- Claiming that wind turbines cause cancer.
- Telling a crowd he was addressing in Sioux City, Iowa, how happy he was to be in Sioux Falls (which is in South Dakota).
- Telling a crowd that George Washington's Continental Army were able to beat the British in 1781 because they captured all the British Airfields.
- Claiming Victor Orban is the president of Turkey (he's actually the Prime Minister of Hungary - Recep Erdogan is the President of Turkey).
- Claiming that whales are being killed by wind turbines.
- Telling an audience he beat Obama in the 2016 election (he ran against Hillary Clinton).
- Claiming that Jeb Bush got the US into the war in Afghanistan (It was George W. Bush).
- Claiming you need ID to buy a loaf of bread.
- Claiming that Finnish President Sauli Niinistö told him they prevent forest fires by raking the forest floor (Niinistö denies having ever said this).
- Warning that Biden would get the US into World War II.
- Addressing a gathering of thousands of Boy Scouts with a rambling speech about cocktail parties and rich people having sex on boats.
- Drawing on a hurricane map with a Sharpie.
- Suddenly realizing after 70+ years that the initials "US" is made up of the same two letters as the word "us".
- Saying he met with the president of the Virgin Islands......think about it
- Wanting to buy Greenland and causing a diplomatic crisis when Denmark refused to sell.
- Saying he would build a border wall...... in Colorado.
- Suggesting we should "nuke hurricanes".
In a debate Biden would wipe the floor with him - The Fat Orange Turd knows this, which is why he will never agree to do so.
Book sales are ebbing, he needs to inject himself into the news stream.David Axelrod calling for Biden to drop out.
David Axelrod calling for Biden to drop out.
President Biden Says He Feels Good
David Axelrod, who served as a senior adviser to former President
Barack Obama suggested that President Joe Biden may want to reconsider
his reelection bid, as he potentially faces another race for the White House
against former President Donald Trump. “It's very late to change horses.
A lot will happen in the next year that no one can predict. Biden's team
says his resolve to run is firm.”
"Only Joe Biden can make this decision," Axelrod added. "If he continues
to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs
to decide is whether that is wise? Whether it's in his best interest or
the country's?"
"Yes, there also is risk associated with changing course now, as there
is little time left for a primary campaign — and campaigns are how we
test candidates. But there is a lot of leadership talent in the Democratic
Party, poised to emerge," Axelrod added, referencing Florida Governer
Ron DeSantis' 2024 presidential bid.
If it came to a debate, IMO, The Fat Orange Turd starts with a distinct disadvantage. Biden might be getting a bit shaky on his pins, but he is still pretty sharp mentally compared with The Fat Orange Turd.
I've been keeping score, and so far I have yet to see Biden make any gaffes that even remotely compare with these corkers from the prolapsed orange anus.
- Telling Americans that covid can be cured by shining a light inside the body, or by drinking/injecting bleach.
- Claiming that wind turbines cause cancer.
- Telling a crowd he was addressing in Sioux City, Iowa, how happy he was to be in Sioux Falls (which is in South Dakota).
- Telling a crowd that George Washington's Continental Army were able to beat the British in 1781 because they captured all the British Airfields.
- Claiming Victor Orban is the president of Turkey (he's actually the Prime Minister of Hungary - Recep Erdogan is the President of Turkey).
- Claiming that whales are being killed by wind turbines.
- Telling an audience he beat Obama in the 2016 election (he ran against Hillary Clinton).
- Claiming that Jeb Bush got the US into the war in Afghanistan (It was George W. Bush).
- Claiming you need ID to buy a loaf of bread.
- Claiming that Finnish President Sauli Niinistö told him they prevent forest fires by raking the forest floor (Niinistö denies having ever said this).
- Warning that Biden would get the US into World War II.
- Addressing a gathering of thousands of Boy Scouts with a rambling speech about cocktail parties and rich people having sex on boats.
- Drawing on a hurricane map with a Sharpie.
- Suddenly realizing after 70+ years that the initials "US" is made up of the same two letters as the word "us".
- Saying he met with the president of the Virgin Islands......think about it
- Wanting to buy Greenland and causing a diplomatic crisis when Denmark refused to sell.
- Saying he would build a border wall...... in Colorado.
- Suggesting we should "nuke hurricanes".
In a debate Biden would wipe the floor with him - The Fat Orange Turd knows this, which is why he will never agree to do so.
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I'd say it's far more dangerous to put an unscripted Trump in front of cameras as evidenced by his inability to talk about anything other than how the election was stolen from him, he's a victim of witch hunts and the most persecuted person in history...
That's probably why his polling numbers are so terrible.
Oh, wait...
In fact, the more idiotic things he says, the more they like him. I would have expected that to be obvious by now. The things he did on the campaign trail in 2016 were unforgivable, and he won comfortably. Why do you think things are going to change now?
Be aware that I have no dog in this fight - I'm able to look at it as a casual observer.
You're quite right that people who should be supporting Biden are calling him senile, though. How do you think that's going to play out?
That was my point - he's winning and Biden's losing. In a sane world, Trump would be polling in single digits. He's not.
NY attorney: Did you get copies of statements in 2021?
Donald Trump: I was so busy in the White House with China, Russia, and keeping the country...
NY attorney: You were not the President in 2021.
They are baffling. Did you know Trump never lies?FTFY
They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial.
He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished, he pretends to love and read the Bible, you name it, the cult followers are in denial. Watch any of Jordan Klepper's Finger's the Pulse to see what these idiots actually believe. It's not about rational 'forgiveness'.
I'm not convinced Ron DeSantis represents the
leadership talent poised to emerge in the Democratic Party.
Axelrod's point was that a primary campaign tests candidates, and that many (like apparently DeSantis) are considered strong contenders until they actually have to go out and gets some votes.
It wasn't software, you missed a bracket.
You're really fixated on these polling numbers from one poll. But you ignore that polls are not reliable.
Why do you think that has changed now?
I highly question that. Your posting history says otherwise.
Those who are calling him senile have their own reasons for doing so, mainly political. It's mostly Republicans and far left extremists with a Debbie Downer attitude for anything/anyone not as far left as they are. I don't see many Dems calling him senile except those with a personal agenda or, frankly, have an affinity for stirring the pot or being contrary.
I’m starting to see a pattern here for Democrats. They are hurting themselves politically because they are stubborn about retiring due to old age, and complacent voters are OK with that.
Example 1: Roe v Wade is gone because RBG didn’t retire when she had the chance.
Examples 2: Ted Kennedy and Diane Feinstein
Example 3: We just might get another 4 years of Trump because Biden didn’t know when to hang it up and complacent democratic primary voters rubber stamped it. And it’s probably going to be worse than the first Trump term. It’ll be Trump without the training wheels and without any adults to constrain his worst impulses.
I’m starting to see a pattern here for Democrats. They are hurting themselves politically because they are stubborn about retiring due to old age, and complacent voters are OK with that.
Example 1: Roe v Wade is gone because RBG didn’t retire when she had the chance.
Examples 2: Ted Kennedy and Diane Feinstein
Example 3: We just might get another 4 years of Trump because Biden didn’t know when to hang it up and complacent democratic primary voters rubber stamped it. And it’s probably going to be worse than the first Trump term. It’ll be Trump without the training wheels and without any adults to constrain his worst impulses.
They've all seen what the party machine does to anyone who opposes it. The problem isn't the lack of people to take the spotlight against Biden. It's that the show is really run by the background people we don't see doing it, and they're still stuck on Biden. (I'd say they were "in the shadows" because it fits the spotlight/show analogy, but it sounds too dramatic. ) And they'll never admit that his problems are problems because they have the same problems themselves.I'm still annoyed that no serious alternative to Biden has stepped up.
A Democratic governor, or senator, under the age of 70 and with no major disqualifying problems. Anyone?? Time's running out. There are deadlines coming up I think for getting on the ballot in certain states.
He's left the party now, so he can't affect the party's primary/caucus process. And having him in the general election probably helps Biden by hurting both him and Trump but hurting Trump more.I do not consider RFK Jr. or Marianne Williamson to be serious alternatives, especially the former. He's just a crank who appeals more to the right than the left.
We are definitely heading for another Trump "presidency", but the Democratic voters aren't being given any other choice by the party. It's the party politicians who've been refuse to let the voters have any choices.We just might get another 4 years of Trump because Biden didn’t know when to hang it up and complacent democratic primary voters rubber stamped it.
This looks to me like vastly underestimating both Biden's own personal compulsion to have this and the party's responsiveness to an oncoming predictable loss (which they've never done anything to avoid before in the last decade or two).If the bad polls continue I expect pressure will build on Biden to withdraw and he might just do it.
If Biden were to quit or die, it would be Gavin. He's already been getting Presidential-candidate-like press coverage which they describe as "positioning himself" for a run for President, and Kamala has even scarier poll results than Biden but without Biden's "everybody in power in this party just happens to be just like me" factor. And the only way Gavin has said he's not running has been as an opponent to Biden, which means carefully not denying that he'd run if Biden were out. He's like DeSantis, just waiting in the background for the guy in front to get out of his way.Lots of younger Dem governors out there who can do the job AND not look like a severally flawed geriatric on the debate stage with Trump.
As can be seen in your link, the RCP average had Clinton up by 3.2%.In the week before the 2016 election, the top 13 polls had Clinton winning in all but one.
Although fivethirtyeight.com does indeed weight polls by assessed reliability, and that process began under the direction of Nate Silver, Nate Silver is no longer associated with fivethirtyeight.com.Nate Silver weighs polls by reliability to try to give the most accurate picture.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/
I’m starting to see a pattern here for Democrats. They are hurting themselves politically because they are stubborn about retiring due to old age, and complacent voters are OK with that.
Example 1: Roe v Wade is gone because RBG didn’t retire when she had the chance.
Examples 2: Ted Kennedy and Diane Feinstein
Example 3: We just might get another 4 years of Trump because Biden didn’t know when to hang it up and complacent democratic primary voters rubber stamped it. And it’s probably going to be worse than the first Trump term. It’ll be Trump without the training wheels and without any adults to constrain his worst impulses.
I'm still annoyed that no serious alternative to Biden has stepped up.
A Democratic governor, or senator, under the age of 70 and with no major disqualifying problems. Anyone?? Time's running out. There are deadlines coming up I think for getting on the ballot in certain states.
If you're gonna switch horses, you better pick the right horse. The election is a year and several convictions away yet, and if the dems are to switch candidates, they need evidence that the switch is legit. Another trump presidency will fully seal the notion that he will do all the things people claim he can't wouldn't shouldn't do.
Remember that time when he tried to steal your vote, claiming you were dead, illegal and voted twice? Yeah, so do I.
Delvo's right. The word has gone out that anybody challenging Biden is persona non grata. The concern is that they'll end up like Ted Kennedy in 1980, wounding the President and setting him up for defeat in the general election. Of course, one could wonder if the real lesson of 1980 that a President weak enough to attract a serious challenger inside his party is doomed to lose in November.
BTW, one of the poll results had Trump losing to a "generic" (unnamed) Democrat by 8 points. Of course, there's no such thing as a generic Democrat; all of them have strengths and weaknesses. But I do think Trump would have a tougher time against Gavin Newsom or a Phil Murphy.
Still, at this point the only way Biden's getting out of the race is if he croaks.
And it’s probably going to be worse than the first Trump term. It’ll be Trump without the training wheels and without any adults to constrain his worst impulses.
Although fivethirtyeight.com does indeed weight polls by assessed reliability, and that process began under the direction of Nate Silver, Nate Silver is no longer associated with fivethirtyeight.com.
When and where did this "word" go out, and what did the "word" say?
Generic candidates have no baggage and no platform or record to critique. They're literally a figment of the imagination so they can have any atributes that can be imagined. The one thing they cannot do is actually run in the election.
And who the hell is Phil Murphy???
And how about McConnell not retiring?? His staff covers up for his brain damage by whisking him away.I’m starting to see a pattern here for Democrats. They are hurting themselves politically because they are stubborn about retiring due to old age, and complacent voters are OK with that.
Example 1: Roe v Wade is gone because RBG didn’t retire when she had the chance.
Examples 2: Ted Kennedy and Diane Feinstein
Example 3: We just might get another 4 years of Trump because Biden didn’t know when to hang it up and complacent democratic primary voters rubber stamped it. And it’s probably going to be worse than the first Trump term. It’ll be Trump without the training wheels and without any adults to constrain his worst impulses.
And how about McConnell not retiring?? His staff covers up for his brain damage by whisking him away.I’m starting to see a pattern here for Democrats. They are hurting themselves politically because they are stubborn about retiring due to old age, and complacent voters are OK with that.
Example 1: Roe v Wade is gone because RBG didn’t retire when she had the chance.
Examples 2: Ted Kennedy and Diane Feinstein
Example 3: We just might get another 4 years of Trump because Biden didn’t know when to hang it up and complacent democratic primary voters rubber stamped it. And it’s probably going to be worse than the first Trump term. It’ll be Trump without the training wheels and without any adults to constrain his worst impulses.
And how about McConnell not retiring?? His staff covers up for his brain damage by whisking him away.
It's a human trait, not a politically influenced trait.