JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends II
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mikegriffith1
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Someone said the WC said nothing about Eugene Brading's presence in Dealey Plaza during and after the shooting. In point of fact, the fact that Brading, aka Jim Braden, was in the Dal-Tex Building and was arrested afterward is documented in 19 WCH 469, 527 (or Decker Exhibit 5323). The HSCA also noted that Brading/Braden was detained in Dealey Plaza (9 HSCA 424).
One of the best discussions on Brading/Braden and his activities before, during, and after the assassination can be found in Contract on America: The Mafia Murder of President John F. Kennedy, pp. 45-47, by Dr. David Scheim (Ph.D. in mathematics from MIT). FYI, former HSCA chief counsel G. Robert Blakely endorsed Scheim's book.
One of the best discussions on Brading/Braden and his activities before, during, and after the assassination can be found in Contract on America: The Mafia Murder of President John F. Kennedy, pp. 45-47, by Dr. David Scheim (Ph.D. in mathematics from MIT). FYI, former HSCA chief counsel G. Robert Blakely endorsed Scheim's book.
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turingtest
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Something I notice about taftfan's list is the common denominator- "Yes, [insert name here] argues that JFK was killed by a conspiracy." That sounds like a specific claim; but (to reiterate a point JayUtah has been making here for a long while), "conspiracy!" is really just a non-specified range of claims that have only the one common and identifying characteristic that they all rely on pointing away from a specific conclusion (LHO's guilt), rather than toward any one other. Unless these authors agree on a scenario a little more specific than simply "aconspiracydidit!," taftfan's list is no more useful than a list of creationists of various religious stripes who think that their doubts about the evidence for evolution add up to proof for "goddidit!" There is a body of consilient evidence for Oswald's guilt (as for evolution); it's just ridiculous to think that nitpicking details about that body of evidence adds up to an equivalent to it.
RoboTimbo
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So what is your complete and comprehensive alternative hypothesis for who killed JFK? Remember that it must account for all of the evidence.
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And 50 years later, what evidence has been developed that indicates Braden / Brading was part of a conspiracy and not just a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Was a weapon located in the Dal-Tex building traceable to Brading?
Or traceable to anyone?
Or even not traceable?
Was any weapon found in the Dal-Tex building?
Were shells found located in a window facing the motorcade route?
Did any witnesses see a gunman in the Dal-Tex building and point him out to police?
Were Brading's fingerprints found on items in a window facing the motorcade route?
Did Brading resist arrest when approached by a police officer?
Did he give a reasonable account of why he was in the building?
Now, do note that this evidence does point to Oswald:
A weapon located in the TSBD was traceable to Oswald.
Numerous witnesses saw a young white male with a rifle in the sixth floor SE corner window of the TSBD and reported that to police after the assassination.
Shells located in the 6th floor SE corner TSBD window was traceable to Oswald's weapon
His prints were located on the rifle.
His prints were found on boxes in the 6th floor SE corner TSBD window.
Oswald resisted arrest when approached by Officer McDonald in the Texas Theatre, punching him in the face and drawing his weapon on McDonald.
Oswald could not give a reasonable account of the evidence accumulated against him - denying facts in custody that the police had already determined to be true (like transporting a long package to work on the back seat of Wes Frazier's car that morning).
Unless you can do more than snip at the heels of that evidence, you lose. Mentioning Braden / Brading is simply a deflection, you have no evidence he was involved in the assassination whatsoever, so you attempt to close that very wide chasm by speculation.
That won't do.
Hank
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JayUtah
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You do realize this post is nothing but ad hominem argumentation, right?
No, not the way you are accustomed to hearing that charge leveled by your critics. But in the fact that simply saying, "Look at all these smart, prominent people who express a belief in a conspiracy theory" is attempting to establish a proposition not on its merits but on the alleged properties of the person making it. That's the essence of an affirmative ad hominem fallacy.
And no, the disputation here is most decidedly not "everyone who disagrees with me is a kook." It's more akin to "everyone who acts like a kook could wear that label." But it's not the label that's important, or even part of the argument. The label is a convenient summary of the argument, noting where each of these authors in turn goes astray either from the path of logic or the path of fact. Those notes are the argument. Waving their credentials doesn't mean they necessarily got it right. Noting that they attract outspoken critics doesn't mean they got it right either, nor does our outspoken criticism arise from knee-jerk reactions.
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The story behind that was actually addressed here, in this thread, and the thread that this is a sequel of (by me, no less). Which you would know had you actually read the thread.
In a nut shell, two of his sons (Howard St. John Hunt and David Hunt) took advantage of his waning lucidity and coerced a deathbed confession to make a quick buck.
So much for that.
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Correction: Brading was detained for suspicious activity, but he was not arrested. After not-even-minimal investigation, the Dallas County Sheriff's Office released Brading. The elevator operator in the Dal-Tex Building believed Brading was acting suspiciously, and Braden's story about why he was in the building is almost comical.
By the way, the HSCA interviewed Braden twice. Some of his statements sound far fetched and implausible. He was clearly fabricating when it came to his actions and whereabouts at the time of the shooting, especially his explanation for why he entered the Dal-Tex Building.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=19906
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=19907
As Dr. Scheim notes, Brading gave problematic accounts of his whereabouts during the shooting when interviewed by the LAPD in 1969 and then by the HSCA in 1978 (Contract on America, pp. 45-47. Note: This book was later released under the title The Mafia Killed President Kennedy.)
It was later discovered that Brading was a well-connected Mafia man with over 30 arrests. Not only did have Brading have some significant Mafia connections, he also had links to some wealthy right-wing extremists, such as the Hunt family in Dallas. And there is evidence that suggests Brading may have known Jack Ruby and David Ferrie.
Indeed, as mentioned earlier, Brading checked into the Cabana Motel the day before Jack Ruby met Lawrence Myers there. In addition, there is evidence that both Brading and Ruby visited the Mercantile Bank Building to see Nelson Hunt, a right-wing billionaire who despised JFK, the day before the shooting.
By the way, the HSCA interviewed Braden twice. Some of his statements sound far fetched and implausible. He was clearly fabricating when it came to his actions and whereabouts at the time of the shooting, especially his explanation for why he entered the Dal-Tex Building.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=19906
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=19907
As Dr. Scheim notes, Brading gave problematic accounts of his whereabouts during the shooting when interviewed by the LAPD in 1969 and then by the HSCA in 1978 (Contract on America, pp. 45-47. Note: This book was later released under the title The Mafia Killed President Kennedy.)
It was later discovered that Brading was a well-connected Mafia man with over 30 arrests. Not only did have Brading have some significant Mafia connections, he also had links to some wealthy right-wing extremists, such as the Hunt family in Dallas. And there is evidence that suggests Brading may have known Jack Ruby and David Ferrie.
Indeed, as mentioned earlier, Brading checked into the Cabana Motel the day before Jack Ruby met Lawrence Myers there. In addition, there is evidence that both Brading and Ruby visited the Mercantile Bank Building to see Nelson Hunt, a right-wing billionaire who despised JFK, the day before the shooting.
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RoboTimbo
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So you believe that Brading shot JFK?
Regnad Kcin
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I've always enjoyed the fact that Richard Nixon was there.
JayUtah
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I've always believed Porkins did it. No, really -- look it up.
JayUtah
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Aw, what more evidence do you want? There was a guy in Dallas, and he was "acting suspiciously." And he had a criminal record. Clearly every single nefarious person living in or near Dallas converged on Dealey Plaza to be drafted into the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. And that was absolutely the only shady thing happening that day in a major U.S. city -- hence any suspicion must be clearly attributable to the assassination.
I cover this at some length above in several posts, most recently to the attempt to assign conditional probabilities all up and down the causal tree. Amazing how much mileage people get out of raw innuendo.
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Well that is certainly a 'pink dog with a 45 caliber umbrella' website!
Hmmmm have there been any JFK CTs involving animals; derringer armed pelicans, Bonobos with a 6.5 rifle in a tree or a commie hare disguised as a toddler with a Gatling gun?
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Yes how do we know he didn't use indirect rifle fire to do in JFK?
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Fixed that for you.
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Hans
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Thanks, I was a bit too limited in my thinking, perhaps we should bring in time travel too so we can include all adults from the past and future - heck why not throw in all (as of yet) undetected intergalactic and inter-dimensional aliens too
BobTaft - have you excluded time travel and aliens in your CT?
Belz...
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That's a defining characteristic of woo: picking the data that supports one's prefered conclusion, because since it's prefered, the brain "feels" better when it seems confirmed, and therefore there's quite an incentive to rationalise it. The hard part is ignoring this incentive.
JayUtah
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Well, one can make a less foaming conspiracy theories.
I'm speaking, of course, of the actor who played Porkins in Star Wars, the late William Hootkins. Born in Dallas, Hootkins actually was questioned in connection with the Kennedy assassination. He went to school with the woman accused of harboring Marina Oswald and also studied Russian.
That's enough for most conspiracy authors to spin a web of intrigue and innuendo.
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