Thanks. And thanks to Chris and Strozzi for other answers. The thread is a bit daunting of course, and it seems to grow faster than I can read it. Just to give you a possibly interesting perspective, I started my research with themurderofmeredithkercher.com, and came away after a couple of hours there with serious doubts about the evidence against Knox/Sollecito. The thing I found most unconvincing (even more than the claim of an orgy gone bad) was the claim that the break-in was staged.
I came to the case in Aug 2011, as a soft-guilter, I didn't really know much about it; but thought that if the prosecution had DNA, then it was all over for Sollecito and Knox. Since I was not around for the tabloid excesses of 2007-2008, I had to get up to speed on why there were these seemingly evidenceless "memes" that Knox was a sexpot and a liar, always changing her story.
By the time Aug 2011 rolled around, the press-reports on this were changing: the DNA evidence had fallen apart under the Conti-Vecchioti report for the Hellmann court; but going into the verdict on Oct 3, 2011, I was going to let Hellmann decide the issue.
What tweeked me about your post, sunmaster14, was you saying that the fake-wiki by Edward McCall actually convinced you the pair were innocent.
That was my experience with True Justice for Meredith Kercher, as well as less so the PMF sites. (The history of the PMF sites, and their jealousy about wanting to be seen as the true repository of Mereidth's memory, thus causing animosity between the two PMF sites, is a story to behold!)
But with TJMK for me they were actually making the case against Knox's and Sollecito's guilt with their over-the-top recounting of things. Peter Quennell briefly wrote that even if the DNA was debunked, there was (this is a catch-phrase), "all the other evidence".
Part of, "all the other evidence" was what Quennell claimed was the obviousness of the faked break in, as well as the obviousness of the clean-up; one that removed all trace of Knox/Sollecito in Meredith's room, yet left a full forensic presence of Guede.
From my own experience volunteering with a prosecutor's office at a local office, as well as my own home renovations, I found those two points preposterous as maintained by Mr. Quennell.
But then again, there was, "all the other evidence." Sex-on-a-train, Knox's odd behaviour, the timing of Raffaele's call to police in relation to the arrival of the postal police.
It was dizzying.
Indeed, in March 2013, no less that the Supreme Court of Italy (Cassazione) took Peter Quennell's side!!! It now officially doesn't matter that there is no substance to any of the items contained in "all the other evidence", we're now instructed by the highest court in the land that if this nothingness is taken "osmotically" (a word the ISC used to explain their quashing of Hellmann's acquittals!!!!) then there is "somethingness".
Ok, on Oct 6, 2011, I joined the discussion, much as you are doing now. I hope you are done with things a lot sooner than me!!
I joined Bruce Fisher's board, Injustice in Perugia, as well as TJMK. I expressed unpopular views back then... got kicked off TJMK for expressing them, and was actually engaged in debate on IIP.
From Oct 2011 to about Feb 2012, I was the only person in the world arguing that AK and RS were innocent of murder, but that Knox was guilty of calunnia against Patrick Lumumba. I think I may have been the only person in the universe who agreed with Hellmann (other than Zanetti!).
On TJMK there was an odd set of posters - most of whom seemed to relish in saying slutty things about Amanda Knox. There was a guy named Ergon who said that he'd viewed this case through the lens of astrology and "observational psychology", namely watching. That guy, Ergon, is now one of the moderators of one of the PMF sites.
I expressed a view on TJMK that the climb in through Filomena's window was eminately doable for Rudy Guede, based on my time at the prosecutor's office, as well as my own home renos. I was banned from posting there after 7 posts!!!!!!!
On IIP I was challenged heavily for my (then) view that Knox was guilty of calunnia. There was a good back and forth, sometimes heated, always respectful.
I joined here on JREF in Nov 2011 because back then there was a good group of guilters who would actually give a reason for their views, rather than the crop now who just make assertions.
In Feb 2012 someone pointed me to Mignini's interview by Drew Griffin of CNN, an interview done in Italian in Perugia in 2010. In that interview Mignini describes the interrogation as he witnessed it, following the signing of the 1:45 am memorial by Knox, something eventually ruled as illegal by the ISC.
But in it, Mignini describes the very mechanics of how Knox had been denied a lawyer, denied adequate translation, and had been snookered by an experienced prosecutor to make "spontaneous statements", when she made no such thing.
That was the deal breaker for me on guilt for calunnia, and all of a sudden it began being clear what was wrong with the whole case.
There was none. Not even for calunnia.
But like you with Edward McCall's fake and anonymous-Wiki, it began for me with being booted from TJMK for expressing an opinion. That place is an echo chamber because no one is allowed to deviate from Quennell's rather creepy agenda.
Finally, I have also read Judge Massei's motivations report, written to explain his own conviction for the two in 2009. Truly, reading that convinces any reasonable person that (at the very least) there is huge doubt that they could be guilty. Huge doubt. Yet Massei convicted.
I came up with thirteen things contained in that report which openly contradict prosecutor Mignini's original claims at trial. There was no mixed blood, acc. to Massei, as there was no strained relation between Knox and Kercher. I've become quite boring since reprinting them when the inevitable guilter claim is made, "but what about the mixed blood?" "What about Knox's psychopathology?"
I just hope all this is over in Sollecito's and Knox's favour before you've been at this going on 2 1/2 years.
