Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[acbytesla]

20years experience...ok, this kind of experience isnt required of jurys and judges, but interesting input.

How about the other side of the coin....is the cell call on Merediths cell phone at 10:13pm from inside the cottage or outside the cottage?

That too isn't conclusive. It all comes down to line of sight, geography, distance, power setting on the antennas and cellular traffic.

The 10:13 call connected to Wind tower 30064 which is 1720 meters away from the cottage. That cell tower is 10 times the distance as the local two towers that seems to have handled every call on record that I can find in the days before and after the murder. It seems as if more than 90 percent of the calls made at the cottage connect to the Piazza Lupatelli Tower which is 171 meters from the cottage. I have found a couple of other calls that connected to the Acquedetto tower at 193 meters. So while it seems that it is much less likely that a call connected from Meredith's bedroom, there is no way to know without a thorough site investigation from inside Meredith's bedroom and I doubt it would be conclusive as I'd bet you would be able to detect signals from all three towers including the distant tower.

Raffaele's apartment is actually served by at least 3 different cell antennas

Via Beradi, Acquedetto and the closest tower is the Piazza Lupatelli tower the same one that serves the cottage. But all are less than 250 meters away.

But as I said, distance is only one factor, another is signal strength generated by each specific antenna. In a dense urban area there are more antennas that run at a lower power setting that might provide a signal for as little as a 200 feet.

If you are at in flat farm land there are fewer towers but the power settings on the antennas are set much higher so they can cover distance of 30 miles or farther.

So while I'd say it is probably not likely that the 10:13 call was made from the cottage, it is by no means so unlikely that it isn't possible.

By the way, I have posted pictures of the cell antennas on my blog

http://perugia-injustice.blogspot.com/

 

[acbytesla]

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I don't know if it's off topic (probably is), but let's see if we can connect this up anyway. Should be easy since Amanda lives here, which brings up, is she a fan? Chances are pretty good she is. Although being a soccer player, she might consider it funny that grown men wear all that protective gear when playing a game.

And with the motivation report coming up, Nencini investigation, Dershowitz toning down his rhetoric, and possible ECHR sanctions (or whatever they're called), people from all over the world coming to Seattle, maybe talking and learning about the truth about what happened in Italy; she might be seeing this Super Bowl win as a good sign of good things to come, but that's just my opinion,

d

ETA I wouldn't be surprised if Nencini, knowing he had to find for guilty, and since maybe he might not think they are guilty, did the interview as a way to get the verdict overturned anyway... just a thought.
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Well I hope you're right. My home town, Amanda's home town. But damn it's cold here today. Everybody freezing their tootsies.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Grinder, Acbytesla and Mary_H

Have you heard of this Seattle based talk radio station Talk radio 570 KVI? John Carlson?

Talk radio 570 KVI?

 

[Mary_H]

Grinder, Acbytesla and Mary_H

Have you heard of this Seattle based talk radio station Talk radio 570 KVI? John Carlson?

Talk radio 570 KVI?

I have. I don't have time to listen right now, though -- I am off to a doctor appointment between here and the 700,000 people lining the streets of downtown Seattle. Wish me luck!

(kwill lives here, too, and a couple others.)

 

[Grinder]

Grinder, Acbytesla and Mary_H

Have you heard of this Seattle based talk radio station Talk radio 570 KVI? John Carlson?

Talk radio 570 KVI?

Yes. Right wingers. He ran for governor once and had his rear end handed to him. I did his show once debating someone on the other side of a transportation issue. He was very cordial.

 

[Caper]

Well.... in the stupid article of the day department.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/o...uldnt-deny-justice-for-meredith-29980748.html

 

[CoulsdonUK]

I have. I don't have time to listen right now, though -- I am off to a doctor appointment between here and the 700,000 people lining the streets of downtown Seattle. Wish me luck!

(kwill lives here, too, and a couple others.)

Gosh. Good luck for sure

 

[acbytesla]

Grinder, Acbytesla and Mary_H

Have you heard of this Seattle based talk radio station Talk radio 570 KVI? John Carlson?

Talk radio 570 KVI?

Yes. It's a conservative talk radio station.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Well.... in the stupid article of the day department.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/o...uldnt-deny-justice-for-meredith-29980748.html

Pretty much what John Carlson said on his radio show.

 

[Caper]

Yes. It's a conservative talk radio station.

Pretty much what John Carson said on his radio show.

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[Caper]

Yes. It's a conservative talk radio station.

Pretty much what John Carson said on his radio show.

This is sooooo infuriating.

 

[AmyStrange]

More predictions...

Well I hope you're right. My home town, Amanda's home town. But damn it's cold here today. Everybody freezing their tootsies.

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I've been here in Seattle for over 20 years also. 33 IS unusually cold for February. Usually, it's high 40s,

We''ll be back doing this again next year. I predicted this Super Bowl win by Seattle, and I predict we'll win next year also.

I also predict this year, overall, will be a good one for Amanda and Raffaele,

d

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[Dan O.]

So while I'd say it is probably not likely that the 10:13 call was made from the cottage, it is by no means so unlikely that it isn't possible.

By the way, I have posted pictures of the cell antennas on my blog

http://perugia-injustice.blogspot.com/

What you cannot see on the flat map is that there is a hill shadowing the distant tower from the cottage. So while Meredith's window looks almost directly towards that tower, there will be little if any signal. Moving only a few blocks west along the outskirts of Perugia towards the guarden where the phones were found is enough to clear that obstruction and obtain a direct line of sight to the tower. The guarden however should have a clear line of sight to the much closer tower unless there is a local retaining wall blocking the signal. A point along the path in the park by the city wall would be shadowed from the nearby tower with good visibility for the far tower.

Tools are available for individuals to map cell tower coverage. All it takes is a smart phone, the right App and the willingness to take a hike.

 

[acbytesla]

International Politics vs National Politics

Pretty much what John Carson said on his radio show.

The article make sense from an International political point of view. But there is a very famous saying in politics. "All politics are local". And from that perspective there is NO WAY in HELL that they will extradite Amanda Knox.

The American public on a whole sees Amanda as INNOCENT. PERIOD. They are not going to look kindly at the idea of sending a pretty innocent girl to spend more than twenty years in prison because of a screwed up Italian legal system.

It really comes down to whether the President would rather deal with the discomfort of Italy being annoyed with the US or the American population being annoyed with him and his decision.

 

[yimyammer]

That is true, but there are 700,000 people lining 4th Avenue in Seattle today. That's actually more than live within the entire city limits.

Off topic, I know...but I've been waiting for this for 39 years.

Congrats, they have an impressive team that should compete for more Super Bowls for a while, I love Russell Wilson's attitude & work ethic too

As for me, I'm 19 years into what appears to be well over 39 years before my Cowboys ever find their way back because of the horrible owner and GM.

Too bad Guede didn't break into Jerry's place (I kid...kind of)

 

[acbytesla]

What you cannot see on the flat map is that there is a hill shadowing the distant tower from the cottage. So while Meredith's window looks almost directly towards that tower, there will be little if any signal. Moving only a few blocks west along the outskirts of Perugia towards the guarden where the phones were found is enough to clear that obstruction and obtain a direct line of sight to the tower. The guarden however should have a clear line of sight to the much closer tower unless there is a local retaining wall blocking the signal. A point along the path in the park by the city wall would be shadowed from the nearby tower with good visibility for the far tower.

Tools are available for individuals to map cell tower coverage. All it takes is a smart phone, the right App and the willingness to take a hike.

I'm not sure if this is true Dan. There is a small hill, but I doubt it blocks the line of sight to the cottage. . Unfortunately Google Earth isn't working on my new computer so I can't check it any more.

Where the phones themselves were found doesn't say much either because It is is also about ten times closer to the Piazza Lupatelli tower than the Wind tower. There are hills that block the Wind tower signal and there are walls that can block the Lupatelli signal.

Yes the are tools and apps that allow you to map the signals. But the big issue in Perugia and the surrounding area is the geography and thick stone walls everywhere. You need to check for signals at the very exact spot where the phones were at the moment they calls connected and since we dont know the exact spots, it is problematic to answer these questions definitively.

It would be different is this in the middle of Kansas.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

The article make sense from and International political point of view. But there is a very famous saying in politics. "All politics are local". And from that perspective there is NO WAY in HELL that they will extradite Amanda Knox.

The American public on a whole sees Amanda as INNOCENT. PERIOD. They are not going to look kindly at the idea of sending a pretty innocent girl to spend more than twenty years in prison because of a screwed up Italian legal system.

It really comes down to whether the President would rather deal with the discomfort of Italy being annoyed with the US or the American population being annoyed with him and his decision.

As ever I am content for folks to listen and make up their own minds, you could be absolutely right about extradition, but doesn't Mr Carlson live in Seattle?

 

[acbytesla]

As ever I am content for folks to listen and make up their own minds, you could be absolutely right about extradition, but doesn't Mr Carlson live in Seattle?

I think I'm right about the political considerations regarding extradition, but not what the President's decision would be in this regard.

I think Carlson lives in Bellevue, a suburb of Seattle. But Seattle isn't monolithic. I believe Peggy Ganong also lives in Seattle and she thinks Amanda is guilty too.

 

[andreajo]

Well I hope you're right. My home town, Amanda's home town. But damn it's cold here today. Everybody freezing their tootsies.

Oh, boo hoo! My husband marched in this year's Grey Cup parade in -25C (before the windchill). They were in a kinda nutty marching band thing. After about 5 minutes their horns froze solid so they went to the bar instead.

Congrats on the big win, btw!

I hope the game has been a bit of a distraction for the Knox-Mellas family.

 

[Grinder]

I think he lives in Bellevue, a suburb of Seattle. But Seattle isn't monolithic. I believe Peggy Ganong also lives in Seattle and she thinks Amanda is guilty too.

Yes he lives in Bellevue. Why weren't you at the parade?

I was on top of the Warwick Hotel parking garage - Go Hawks