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Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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lionking said:
I'd like a cite where public opinion is a factor in deciding extradition.
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The State department has to ask, currently they're busy telling the Italians to piss off regarding another idiot decision their courts made with a man curiously named "Lady."
 
LondonJohn said:
Well, that was disappointing and contrary to what I thought would (on balance) happen. However, the SC's hidden hand of influence always had the potential to be the variable that swayed the balance. I can't help thinking that this is what has happened. I simply cannot understand how Knox and/or Sollecito can be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, based purely on the totality of evidence (and non-evidence).

With that in mind, it will be fascinating to read the Nencini court's sentencing report.

I also have to say at this point that in my opinion Knox and Sollecito were both badly let down by their defence lawyers - Knox in particular. I think that their lawyers' collective and individual performances in the Massei trial were especially shocking and inept, and I think that the mistakes made in this trial unfortunately sowed the seed for everything that followed. I happen to think that even a first-rate defence team would have had some trouble securing acquittals in the Nencini court, given the previous history of Knox's/Sollecito's defences. I realise that this is not the time to be doling out blame, but I've long believed this to be the case, and I think it's a massively significant reason why Knox and Sollecito now stand convicted (pending SC ratification).

In contrast to Stilicho's claim, I think this is a very bad day for science, rationalism, critical thinking and common sense. I think we've witnessed a perfect storm of judicial reactionary behaviour, investigative tunnel vision and confirmation bias, poor judicial reasoning, adverse media manipulation, inept defence representation, and (yes) defendants who haven't done themselves favours through some of their actions and behaviour. A bad day.
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This is a sub-group of injustice, it's an intentional injustice, aka, a railroad job. It's an intentional injustice motivated by ass-covering and anti-Americanism. It's really a kind of political crime against Knox and Sollecito.
 
LondonJohn said:
Well, that was disappointing and contrary to what I thought would (on balance) happen. However, the SC's hidden hand of influence always had the potential to be the variable that swayed the balance. I can't help thinking that this is what has happened. I simply cannot understand how Knox and/or Sollecito can be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, based purely on the totality of evidence (and non-evidence).

With that in mind, it will be fascinating to read the Nencini court's sentencing report.

I also have to say at this point that in my opinion Knox and Sollecito were both badly let down by their defence lawyers - Knox in particular. I think that their lawyers' collective and individual performances in the Massei trial were especially shocking and inept, and I think that the mistakes made in this trial unfortunately sowed the seed for everything that followed. I happen to think that even a first-rate defence team would have had some trouble securing acquittals in the Nencini court, given the previous history of Knox's/Sollecito's defences. I realise that this is not the time to be doling out blame, but I've long believed this to be the case, and I think it's a massively significant reason why Knox and Sollecito now stand convicted (pending SC ratification).

In contrast to Stilicho's claim, I think this is a very bad day for science, rationalism, critical thinking and common sense. I think we've witnessed a perfect storm of judicial reactionary behaviour, investigative tunnel vision and confirmation bias, poor judicial reasoning, adverse media manipulation, inept defence representation, and (yes) defendants who haven't done themselves favours through some of their actions and behaviour. A bad day.
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Don't fool yourself LJ. It doesn't matter who the lawyers are or what kind of fight they put up. The order was given from the top. A turd in the toilette was all they needed to show their authority and convict. I actually thought DV put up a better fight this time. IMO
 
js202 said:
The Italian prosecutors will need to present their case to the state department, which, through political channels, has now been fully apprised of Amanda Knox's case against this inquisition. They will need to explain the holes in their science, their general lack of anything resembling a coherent case, and their adherence to a system that blithely ignores the virtues of double-jeopardy laws.

I've got news for you, pal. Amanda Knox will not be going back to re-experience the gentle comforts of Italy. Full stop.
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Assuming the sentence is upheld after appeal, which (granted) is a rather large assumption, she will be going back. The US government asks Italy for extradition quite frequently; it's very unlikely that the US would not reciprocate if asked.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
That which the prosecution asked for in this retrial (the retest of the DNA and the rehearing of a witness) turned out badly for them, yet they still prevailed in court. It makes no sense.
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What makes sense, sadly, is that the fix was in. Politics pulled the strings here, science and reason - not to mention attendant blessings of civilization that have been with us since the Magna Carta - took a back seat.
 
what a mess

both sides have been battered from pillar to post through these trials. Guilty, not guilty, guilty! the appeal will probably get not guilty.

i was a guilter from the start but interested to know what made this court decide she was in fact guilty after all.
 
Briars said:
When the SC confirms the verdict she will once again be a identified as a murderer. With or without extradition the family and Meredith have been heard.
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Go shout it in the ampli valley. See if anyone in her town heres it.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Assuming the sentence is upheld after appeal, which (granted) is a rather large assumption, she will be going back. The US government asks Italy for extradition quite frequently; it's very unlikely that the US would not reciprocate if asked.
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No she won't be going back and the Italian government will change...again.
 
Antony said:
Is that the important factor for you? Why bother to have trials?
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This wasn't a trial. It was a total farce. I believe Italy will regret this injustice. One way or another they will pay for this terrible decision.
 
Diocletus said:
This is a sub-group of injustice, it's an intentional injustice, aka, a railroad job. It's an intentional injustice motivated by ass-covering and anti-Americanism. It's really a kind of political crime against Knox and Sollecito.
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Ah yes... and the moon landing was was a stage set located somewhere in Nevada.

Oh well ...at least Knox has the JREF.
 
js202 said:
What makes sense, sadly, is that the fix was in. Politics pulled the strings here, science and reason - not to mention attendant blessings of civilization that have been with us since the Magna Carta - took a back seat.
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In a nutshell, I'm afraid.

(Why do I believe my own country's criminal justice system is any better than this? Obviously I must believe it, or I wouldn't keep pushing.)

Rolfe.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Assuming the sentence is upheld after appeal, which (granted) is a rather large assumption, she will be going back. The US government asks Italy for extradition quite frequently; it's very unlikely that the US would not reciprocate if asked.
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Another country cannot just come in and ask the United States to hand over one of its citizens without expecting to have its request examined with a fine tooth comb. The average lawyer doesn't even need one to see what's wrong with this case.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Assuming the sentence is upheld after appeal, which (granted) is a rather large assumption, she will be going back. The US government asks Italy for extradition quite frequently; it's very unlikely that the US would not reciprocate if asked.
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That's how I see it too.
 
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