Criticize My Diet Plan

Starvation diets cause a yo-yo effect which makes you end up being heavier in the long run. It's far better to count calories, eat less, and exercise more. Starving yourself to speed up the process tends to be counterproductive.
 
I knew a guy in his 50`s that ate as much as he wanted, every day, and didnt gain a pound. Including eating high calorie nuts and chocolates, and pop, even before going to bed.
And enjoyed every minute of it. Lol.
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The dibble you say! Cool Story, Bro.
 
Have you checked the ingredients and what they mean. Are they detrimental to health ?

Have you? I'm not going to stand silent while you lecture people on nutrition - having no demonstrable knowledge of the subject yourself.

Show us the ingredients and what they mean.
 
Starvation diets cause a yo-yo effect which makes you end up being heavier in the long run. It's far better to count calories, eat less, and exercise more. Starving yourself to speed up the process tends to be counterproductive.

Cite? I submit it depends on what you are defining as a starvation diet vs a diet that includes limited amounts of fasting.

In my (purely anecdotal) experience, being slightly more conscious about my intake along with a couple of days of fasting interspersed definitely helps me lose weight - can't say I've noticed any significant yo-yo effect, besides the usual getting lazy over December and stuffing my face with ice-cream.
 
So Squeegie... What is normal eating? I just assumed it was the kind of eating you do when not on a diet. The fact that you are dieting tells me that your idea of normal is making you fat.
You say fasting does not make you more hungry. So what. We can both cite plenty of sources that show fasting is hooey and fasting is great. I think it's hooey. There are lots of people who lift weights and look OK but their heart is slathered with fat because they never go aerobic. Often the heart is too small to work all that muscle.
I prefer the thermodynamic diet. Put out more energy than you take in and you will shrink. Working your heart is essential. Fasting without working the heart keeps all that fat clinging to your heart. So what if I didn't state my preference for aerobic exercise in my first post. To me it should be obvious but not to you I guess. The fact that you have posted here almost 7000 times in four years tells me you have plenty of free time. So you have health risks? Remember I said ask your doctor. I doubt any doctor will tell you that getting your hiney off the couch is bad for you.


I can't believe I'm reading this. So much tripe in so few lines. I've seen similar bloviation on another board. Do you happen to have experience running a pet shop?
 
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*Quick Calculation* That averages out to slightly under 5 posts per day.
 
Starvation diets cause a yo-yo effect which makes you end up being heavier in the long run. It's far better to count calories, eat less, and exercise more. Starving yourself to speed up the process tends to be counterproductive.

Nobody's talking about a starvation diet. A diet of intermittent fasting is very different.
 
In my (purely anecdotal) experience, being slightly more conscious about my intake along with a couple of days of fasting interspersed definitely helps me lose weight - can't say I've noticed any significant yo-yo effect, besides the usual getting lazy over December and stuffing my face with ice-cream.

You won't notice a yo-yo effect, because that's what happens when you actually starve yourself. That's an effect of the kind of diets which tell you to make your calorie intake 1,000 or even 500 a day, every day until you achieve the weight you desire. These diets are unsustainable partly due to the pure psychology of eating that little every day, but also due to the chemical changes your body undergoes and the side-effects of such a diet - such as depression and fatigue.

So you stop the diet and go back to how you used to eat. But your body is now used to thinking that there's no food coming, so you store lots of fat really quickly and often end up heavier than you were before. So then you start another starvation diet...

That's what yo-yoing is. It has nothing to do with a diet consisting of intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting is not going to alter your metabolism and isn't hard to sustain.

*Quick Calculation* That averages out to slightly under 5 posts per day.

It's actually slightly over 6. If you look at the month of my join date, rather than just the year you'll see that although it's 2010-14 it's December 2010, making 3 years a far better approximation of how long I've been a member than 4.

Either way, it's a laughable insult. That it's based on a lack of reading the information that's right there made me smile to myself and I thought it funnier to supply the correct average without correcting the mistake.
 
Are there any studies that show any relationship between a person`s bone structure and how much they weigh?
Are people with a small bone structure, as apt, to pack on the pounds as much as people with a larger bone structure?...or do people say with a larger bone structure have more trouble staying on the thinner side, on average?
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If say it has been determined that the larger boned people have a problem more, then these people at least would have some sort of excuse.
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I have always felt sorry for people who cant eat all they want and anything they want without getting fat. Because i can.
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And that brings another thought: Is there a difference in some people where some people crave food more than other people? Where say a person works physically hard all day, and burns up a lot of calories, you`d think they would naturally crave to eat more to make up for lost calories...but i`m not so sure if that is the case where how many calories a person expends, dictates how much food a person feels like eating.
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I think many people who point the finger at fat people think they sit around stuffing their face. But do they? Can they?
I seem to have a limit to how much i can eat or drink, no matter what i do.
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Which brings up yet another thought; stomach size. Maybe THAT has something to do with it. Maybe if you are born with a smaller stomach, and perhaps have a smaller frame, maybe you aren`t as bound to get heavy, compared to people who are big boned with bigger stomachs? ???
 
I have always felt sorry for people who cant eat all they want and anything they want without getting fat. Because i can.

I could right up until I hit 30. Then I had to start taking care what I ate. Now it's even more so.

And, while I adored my days of wolfing everything in sight and out-eating everybody I was even vaguely acquainted with while remaining the skinniest person in the room, it has come round to bite me, in that my body still wants to eat huge amounts of everything, and I can't. If I'd eaten like a bird all my life, then I'd not know what I am now missing.

I'm guessing you're still relatively young.
 
I`m 60. Lol. Built same as when i was 25. Still doing what i did at 25. At times, working harder even. Have same tastes as 25. Pretend im not aging. Vivid memories of my past where i think i can return to my old stomping grounds and see people still as i remember them. Seriously. All this keeps me feeling of myself that i`m still young...except when i look in the mirror and see my gray beard and missing teeth.
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Now i have to go out and shovel yet again. I`ve done a lot of snow shoveling this tear so far. Tons.
 
Are there any studies that show any relationship between a person`s bone structure and how much they weigh?
Are people with a small bone structure, as apt, to pack on the pounds as much as people with a larger bone structure?...or do people say with a larger bone structure have more trouble staying on the thinner side, on average?
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If say it has been determined that the larger boned people have a problem more, then these people at least would have some sort of excuse.

I think the difficulty with your question is that 'large boned' isn't a thing.

Children have lower density bones, puberty increases bone density in both men and women. Resistance on muscles also increases bone density, and there is evidence that high impact exercise can increase bone density, all in specific bones. Later, hormones change again, and bone density decreases, all thing being equal. In any case, bone density doesn't influence body fat percentage.

I have noticed one way skeletons influence obesity: overall size. Recipes, restaurants, prepackaged foods... nobody scales their portions for a person's size. Shorter people should weigh less, should eat less. Most people finish their serving, so uniform portions contribute to a tendency for taller people to eat proportionally less and shorter people eating proportionally more, all things being equal.




And that brings another thought: Is there a difference in some people where some people crave food more than other people? Where say a person works physically hard all day, and burns up a lot of calories, you`d think they would naturally crave to eat more to make up for lost calories...but i`m not so sure if that is the case where how many calories a person expends, dictates how much food a person feels like eating.

Yes, there are both genetic and behavioral reasons for differential satiety.



I think many people who point the finger at fat people think they sit around stuffing their face. But do they? Can they?

The appropriateness of 'pointing the finger' depends a bit on whether they're moralizing or identifying the root cause. I have an aunt who smoked five packs a day and got lung cancer. Smoking was almost certainly the root cause, but that doesn't make her a bad person.




I seem to have a limit to how much i can eat or drink, no matter what i do.

Everybody has a limit to what they can eat or drink; what varies from person to person is where on the body fat percentage continuum their body tells them they're satiated. This is[homeostasis], and the 'trendy name' for weight homeostais these days is 'set point theory'.



Which brings up yet another thought; stomach size. Maybe THAT has something to do with it. Maybe if you are born with a smaller stomach, and perhaps have a smaller frame, maybe you aren`t as bound to get heavy, compared to people who are big boned with bigger stomachs? ???

Stomachs change size with eating habits, people are born with stomach sizes that appear to be proportional to their body size. They can stretch them by overeating, and this does impact satiety. There is evidence that while stomachs may not shrink when a person changes habits to eat smaller meals, there are other physiological changes that improve the satiety of less stomach contents. Lap Band and stapling are alternatives, appropriate for morbidly obese patients who have not been able to change behavior.




Specifically regarding the OP's periodic fasting proposal: this is a family of diets that work for a few people but have low adherence. Like all diets it works for at least one person - usually a strong advocate - but doesn't have a lot of success in the general population.

It's hard to show that convincingly, because (like astrology) there are about as many flavours as there are adherents: "Well, you disproved the Amrit-Strong diet where fasting days have 600 calories, but you didn't test the Liverpool diet where the fasting days are 500 calories of 40% protein, 30% carbohydrate 30% fat." There are literally infinite variations.

The main complaints I've read are impacts to 'energy levels' and 'concentration' on fasting or semifasting days that impact quality of life too much. Some diets attempt to compensate with stimulants such as caffeine, which causes its own problems.

Having said that, many of my clients found routine fasting to have a psychological attraction that was not specifically linked to addressing body fat percentage. Many were into zen or yoga, and their meditative 'practice' included fasting periods for its own sake. I didn't want to discourage this if it was working for them.

One concern, though, based on the specific algorithm: there is a risk that on fasting days, the dieter could be filling up with water, which could mean no weight loss for several days. This could lead to a very serious starvation response from the body. Chronic repetition of this scenario could lead to permanent organ damage (heart, uterus).
 
Has anyone suggested eating slowly?

Take your time. Chew your food well. Savour the flavour.

I have no idea if there is anything scientific about this approach. In fact the weird thing is that it was suggested to me by a woo-ish woman.

But, it worked for me. She said that a lot of important digestion takes place in the mouth, and if you wolf it down you bypass important parts of the digestive process???

Anyway, it worked for me. Has meant that despite ageing I have maintained a steadier weight since then ever before, and lower. Might be better if I left the wine alone, but sod that!

No fasting. I eat well but seem to avoid the between meal snacking that was part of the problem before and portion sizes at meals reduced and second helpings largely eliminated.
 
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One concern, though, based on the specific algorithm: there is a risk that on fasting days, the dieter could be filling up with water, which could mean no weight loss for several days. This could lead to a very serious starvation response from the body. Chronic repetition of this scenario could lead to permanent organ damage (heart, uterus).

Do you have any citations for this? The NHS site says that there is no evidence of any serious adverse health effects, and lists the only potential risks minor things such as bad breath or difficulty sleeping - again saying there isn't enough evidence to support the conclusion that these things are likely.
 
Has anyone suggested eating slowly?

Take your time. Chew your food well. Savour the flavour.

I have no idea if there is anything scientific about this approach. In fact the weird thing is that it was suggested to me by a woo-ish woman.

This is one of those 'a broken clock is right twice a day' situations. There is good evidence that slower eaters eat less, and a person can change their behavior to deliberately eat more slowly.

The mechanism is about how the body registers satiety from a complex mix of sensation in the stomach and elements entering the bloodstream such as glucose.



There are actually dozens of 'little tricks' that a person can explore to alter their eating volume consciously or unconsciously - it could deserve its own thread instead of this one, which seems to be more about soliciting feedback on the specific diet strategy outlined in the origional post.
 
Do you have any citations for this? The NHS site says that there is no evidence of any serious adverse health effects, and lists the only potential risks minor things such as bad breath or difficulty sleeping - again saying there isn't enough evidence to support the conclusion that these things are likely.

I'm not talking about fasting for a day now and again (eg: a day a week).
The effects of chronic fasting (frequent multi-day fasting) are well documented, as it effectively semi-starvation
 
That would require you to be near a set of scales all day every day which seems to me to not be practical for everybody. I can also imagine people not wanting a diet that's quite that all-consuming.
Ya, on work days I'd weigh myself two or three times in the morning and then start weighing again when I got home, but that (plus much more time at home the other two days per week) was still enough. And when you have a scale at home, standing on it for a few seconds at a time several times per day is pretty far from "all-consuming".
 
I'm not talking about fasting for a day now and again (eg: a day a week).
The effects of chronic fasting (frequent multi-day fasting) are well documented, as it effectively semi-starvation

Oh, yeah, I wouldn't dream of advocating any kid of starvation diet. It's just that the first thing I did before even considering the 5:2 diet was to check with as many reputable sources as I could find for any potential health risks. Eating's not something you can take a cavalier attitude towards, so I was just curious as to whether you were in possession of information I'd not seen.

And when you have a scale at home, standing on it for a few seconds at a time several times per day is pretty far from "all-consuming".

I meant more in terms of how much time is spent thinking about it. I think about my diet at meal times, and that's it. I couldn't imagine thinking about it all the time.
 
I`m eating chips and Hershey`s kisses right now, while reading all the posts about dieting.
I have to do that otherwise i`d lose weight.
Who knows how many calories i burned by shoveling snow by hand the last few hours.
I guess that is natures way of rewarding me for working; allowing me to eat what i want and how much i want, with no repercussions.
And my abs now feel ripped to boot, without having worked out with weights.
 

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