Evolution answers

[icebear]

Bill Gates didn't pioneer any computers. His contribution was PC-DOS (which he purchased and licensed to IBM).


Heathkit was available before the Apple 1.

Do yu have any real knowledge about anything?

Gates, IBM, and Apple set the U.S. microcomputer world back ten or twelve years. There were two or three hundred firms in Silicon Valley which were ready to go with 68000-based computers running UNIX in 1980. The PC killed them all and the Lisa and toaster-mac convince most of the world that the 68000 itself was a bad idea.

 

[aggle-rithm]

It was years later that touchscreen were introduced which made it possible for chimpanzees to participate in the digital revolution. It was reasoned if 2 dropouts can design a computer surely even chimpanzees can master it. It turned out a humbling experience for college students competing with chimps in the experiment.

If you're talking about the experiment I think you're talking about, it merely showed that there are certain mental tasks that chimpanzees are much better at than humans. If you're implying that the experiment showed that chimps are smarter than college students, then no.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Gates, IBM, and Apple set the U.S. microcomputer world back ten or twelve years. There were two or three hundred firms in Silicon Valley which were ready to go with 68000-based computers running UNIX in 1980. The PC killed them all and the Lisa and toaster-mac convince most of the world that the 68000 itself was a bad idea.

Unix wasn't an appropriate operating system for the masses. Something similar to CP/M and using fairly inexpensive hardware was required.

ETA: We're getting off-topic here.

 

[John Jones]

Gates, IBM, and Apple set the U.S. microcomputer world back ten or twelve years. There were two or three hundred firms in Silicon Valley which were ready to go with 68000-based computers running UNIX in 1980. The PC killed them all and the Lisa and toaster-mac convince most of the world that the 68000 itself was a bad idea.

Gates didn't design the IBM PC or any apple computers.

Direct your comments to justintime - he's more likely to take your word for anything.

Ganymede!

 

[justintime]

Gates, IBM, and Apple set the U.S. microcomputer world back ten or twelve years. There were two or three hundred firms in Silicon Valley which were ready to go with 68000-based computers running UNIX in 1980. The PC killed them all and the Lisa and toaster-mac convince most of the world that the 68000 itself was a bad idea.

That is true. You have 2 dropouts change the course of digital computing and the readers here want to credit them for scientific achievements. MS Windows is responsible for more downtime and reboots than any know device in recent history.

 

[justintime]

If you're talking about the experiment I think you're talking about, it merely showed that there are certain mental tasks that chimpanzees are much better at than humans. If you're implying that the experiment showed that chimps are smarter than college students, then no.

It was a 5 year old chimp competing with adult college students and the chimp outperformed the students. How long have humans been working on computers and how much longer than chimps? Duh!!!!

 

[phunk]

It was a 5 year old chimp competing with adult college students and the chimp outperformed the students. How long have humans been working on computers and how much longer than chimps? Duh!!!!

It wasn't a test of how well they use computers...

 

[Retrograde]

Funny everyone attributes computers to science and how we are all better off because of it. The inventors of the computer were not scientists...they were college dropouts. Apple computer Steve Jobs (dropout). Microsoft Corporation..Bill Gates (dropout).

Maybe it's because I have a bad cold and my brain is somewhat fuzzy this morning so I may be missing out on some subtleties, but this reads like our dear justintime believes modern digital computers sprung Athena-like from the brows of two specific people. I know I'm getting old and decrepit, but, having spent the last 40 years in Silicon Valley -which acquired the name long before I moved there - all I can say is, man, no one can be that dumb: now he's just pulling our legs.

Gates, IBM, and Apple set the U.S. microcomputer world back ten or twelve years. There were two or three hundred firms in Silicon Valley which were ready to go with 68000-based computers running UNIX in 1980.

I have on occasion ranted that the success of Windows effectively killed operating systems research. Ah, for the days of TOPS 20! Another way of looking at it, though, is that in the primordial soup that was computing in the 70s and 80s there were a lot of different computers and operating systems, each fulfilling its functions adequately if not better. But then the environment changed: hardware got cheaper and more commonplace, environments that were easier and cheaper to program got a competitive edge, and most of the customized systems fell by the wayside, leaving only a handful of survivors. Kind of like a mass extinction event in paleontology, come to think about it.

 

[Garrette]

It was a 5 year old chimp competing with adult college students and the chimp outperformed the students. How long have humans been working on computers and how much longer than chimps? Duh!!!!

Setting aside that you are misrepresenting the test and the results (which has been pointed out to you, so one can only assume it is intentional),
that means that chimps are smarter than people, so your god must have wanted it that way. Chimps are the chosen people.

No doubt they evolved from us.*


No doubt a small chimpanzee by the name of Cheetah is smoking a cigar and sipping brandy debating a younger chimp who believes in evolution. "Riddle me this, young primate,"he says. If chimps evolved from people, then why is there still a Tarzan?

 

[bruto]

OK, Who? Charles Babbage seems to be most commonly cited as father of the computer and he doesn't appear to have been gay.

Well, please notice that I did not try to attribute the development of computers to one single father, but I think that Alan Turing must count as one of the more prominent thinkers responsible for the development of computational theory and computers themselves, having been instrumental in the development of an actual one that did stuff. One can quibble about terminology here, of course, and Turing is more important as a mathematician and theoretician, but as I recall he did actually get involved in hardware.

 

[justintime]

It wasn't a test of how well they use computers...

It was a test to see if chimps could outperform college students and the chimps came out ahead.

 

[John Jones]

It was a test to see if chimps could outperform college students and the chimps came out ahead.

Link or it never happened.

 

[justintime]

Setting aside that you are misrepresenting the test and the results (which has been pointed out to you, so one can only assume it is intentional),
that means that chimps are smarter than people, so your god must have wanted it that way. Chimps are the chosen people.

No doubt they evolved from us.*


No doubt a small chimpanzee by the name of Cheetah is smoking a cigar and sipping brandy debating a younger chimp who believes in evolution. "Riddle me this, young primate,"he says. If chimps evolved from people, then why is there still a Tarzan?

Chimps are smarter than college students the controlled test proved it. What it proves is scientists/evolutionists are wrong again to assume only humans evolved with intelligence.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Definite troll.

 

[turingtest]

Chimps are smarter than college students the controlled test proved it. What it proves is scientists/evolutionists are wrong again to assume only humans evolved with intelligence.

Do you seriously think that the only metric for measuring how "smart" someone is, for testing their intelligence, is memory? Or that evolutionary theory says that only humans can evolve with intelligence?

Must you make a strawman of everything?

 

[turingtest]

Definite troll.

Trolls type one-handed. That wouldn't be so bad if they didn't insist that everyone watch while they do it.

To be fair to JiT, though, I get the sense that he really believes the nonsense he says; he doesn't know the first thing about anything he's talking about, but he's sincerely ignorant.

 

[Garrette]

Chimps are smarter than college students the controlled test proved it. What it proves is scientists/evolutionists are wrong again to assume only humans evolved with intelligence.

What scientists/evolutionists make that claim? It is creationists who say that.

 

[aggle-rithm]

What scientists/evolutionists make that claim? It is creationists who say that.

Absolutely.

What I've heard scientists say is that there are animals who are smarter than us in certain areas...however, since humans are the ones that publish papers about it, we tend to rationalize this by saying OUR form of intelligence is more important than theirs.

 

[aggle-rithm]

It was a test to see if chimps could outperform college students and the chimps came out ahead.

Outperform them...how? COBOL? Database design? Excel spreadsheets?

Or could it have been that chimps were able to remember and identify patterns flashed on the screen better than college students?

 

[justintime]

Outperform them...how? COBOL? Database design? Excel spreadsheets?

Or could it have been that chimps were able to remember and identify patterns flashed on the screen better than college students?

Any test/experiment which concluded chimps outperformed college students would fit the criteria.