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IPCC's Gold-Standard HadCRUT Confirms: CO2's Impact On Global Temps Statistically Immaterial & Insignificant

http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/06/...emps-statistically-immaterial-insignific.html

haha with the same logic and graphs from the mid 20th century i can show you that the sun actually cools the world.

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look at 1940-1950 , when TSI rose to the highest known levels ever, global temperatures fell drasticly....

so increased TSI leads to global cooling?

no wonder people are not taking you deniers serious anymore....

lol
 


that is the source Haig uses....... Christopher Monckton.... a charlatan and proven liar....
 
Could you demonstrate that human activity indeed only produces a trace effect on climate compared to the sun ? Remember in your answer that we are 150 million kilometers from it.

You need to look at the recent changes in our solar system to realise how insignificant human activity is. Just try and grasp the big picture.

Our World is Changing: Looking Beyond 'the 2012'

Movement of North Magnetic Pole is accelerating

Earth's Magnetic Field Is Fading

Magnetic Field Weakening in Stages, Old Ships' Logs Suggest

Earth's Core, Magnetic Field Changing Fast, Study Says

Earth's Shrinking Atmosphere Baffles Scientists

Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field Discovered

Deep Solar Minimum

Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age

Giant Ribbon Discovered at the Edge of the Solar System

Jupiter's New Red Spot

Now Broadcasting From Radio Jupiter

Big Mystery: Jupiter Loses a Stripe

Explosion Spotted on Jupiter: A Comet or Asteroid?

Super Storm on Saturn

What caused a giant arrow-shaped cloud on Saturn's moon Titan?

Is Venus’ Rotation Slowing Down?

The above is ONLY a few of the recent changes, there are a lot more if you care to do a little work.

If you can't see the implications of these changes in the solar system to us on earth with climate change being just part of it, then just wait until the grand solar minimum really kicks in with SC25. It will become obvious to everyone. :(
 
On being asked how solar activity is driving these developments when there seems to be so little happening on the Sun Piers Corbyn said:

"There is a lot more to the Sun than light and spots. Most of the important effects are invisible and complex. If we had magnetic eyes so to speak the Sun would look twice as big and very complex. If we could see the solar wind of particles that rushes from the sun all the time Earth would be right in the wind - which in fact goes on to way beyond Pluto. the earth is IN the Sun's extended corona.

"The changes in magnetic connectivity between the sun and the Earth are very important. Even when apparently there is not much happening on the sun there will be events of all sorts which we cannot see and changes in how they link magnetically to Earth or are modulated by various factors in the earth's stratosphere or magnetosphere or even by lunar effects.

"The sun-earth general set up we are now in is Odd to even Cycle (23 to 24) solar minimum transition. In these periods (which go on for a few years every 22 years or so) the Earth is most sensitive to small changes on the sun. Consequently we can get extreme weather events without much obvious action on the sun.

For example we at WeatherAction predicted a very large North Atlantic storm with exceptional sea swell would occur at end Nov 2007 and indeed the largest sea swell ever recorded was reported on Irish coasts. The subsequent storm track caused eg tornado type events in France and Belgium. [Note Some meteorologists in Holland who seemed to have been praying for Armageddon said our forecast was 'wrong' because they didn't get deluged although they might have been in a possible storm track. Our forecast of the event was not wrong, Holland was just in the wrong (or right!) place].

"Another important situation was the very dramatic shift of Siberian High pressure last winter giving supercold in China for example.

"Variations in the Jet stream are driven by sun-earth magnetic and particle activity. For summer 2007 and summer 2008 we correctly forecast very large Jet stream shifts for Ireland, Britain and much of west Europe which gave the tremendous deluges and floods which we specifically forecast 6months ahead to within a day.

"We are now expanding forecasting to other parts of the world for
certain extreme events.

AND WHAT ABOUT CO2, are you a CO2 Sceptic?

"CO2 has never driven, does not drive and never will drive weather or Climate. Global warming is over and it never was anything to do with CO2. CO2 is still rising but the world is now cooling and will continue to do so. Those who claim man's CO2 is driving weather or Climate must produce evidence. They cannot do so because there is no such evidence and they cannot even forecast anything. All they do is wait for extreme events and say that whatever happens is what they expected. Such drivel should not be allowed to pass yet shamefully many who style themselves as science correspondents and experts promote this nonsense. Global Warming is a deceitful political game.

The UN IPCC must be called to account and integrity in science and politics must be brought back"

THANK YOU

Piers Corbyn
 
On being asked how solar activity is driving these developments when there seems to be so little happening on the Sun Piers Corbyn said:

"There is a lot more to the Sun than light and spots. Most of the important effects are invisible and complex. If we had magnetic eyes so to speak the Sun would look twice as big and very complex. If we could see the solar wind of particles that rushes from the sun all the time Earth would be right in the wind - which in fact goes on to way beyond Pluto. the earth is IN the Sun's extended corona.

"The changes in magnetic connectivity between the sun and the Earth are very important. Even when apparently there is not much happening on the sun there will be events of all sorts which we cannot see and changes in how they link magnetically to Earth or are modulated by various factors in the earth's stratosphere or magnetosphere or even by lunar effects.

"The sun-earth general set up we are now in is Odd to even Cycle (23 to 24) solar minimum transition. In these periods (which go on for a few years every 22 years or so) the Earth is most sensitive to small changes on the sun. Consequently we can get extreme weather events without much obvious action on the sun.

For example we at WeatherAction predicted a very large North Atlantic storm with exceptional sea swell would occur at end Nov 2007 and indeed the largest sea swell ever recorded was reported on Irish coasts. The subsequent storm track caused eg tornado type events in France and Belgium. [Note Some meteorologists in Holland who seemed to have been praying for Armageddon said our forecast was 'wrong' because they didn't get deluged although they might have been in a possible storm track. Our forecast of the event was not wrong, Holland was just in the wrong (or right!) place].

"Another important situation was the very dramatic shift of Siberian High pressure last winter giving supercold in China for example.

"Variations in the Jet stream are driven by sun-earth magnetic and particle activity. For summer 2007 and summer 2008 we correctly forecast very large Jet stream shifts for Ireland, Britain and much of west Europe which gave the tremendous deluges and floods which we specifically forecast 6months ahead to within a day.

"We are now expanding forecasting to other parts of the world for
certain extreme events.

AND WHAT ABOUT CO2, are you a CO2 Sceptic?

"CO2 has never driven, does not drive and never will drive weather or Climate. Global warming is over and it never was anything to do with CO2. CO2 is still rising but the world is now cooling and will continue to do so. Those who claim man's CO2 is driving weather or Climate must produce evidence. They cannot do so because there is no such evidence and they cannot even forecast anything. All they do is wait for extreme events and say that whatever happens is what they expected. Such drivel should not be allowed to pass yet shamefully many who style themselves as science correspondents and experts promote this nonsense. Global Warming is a deceitful political game.

The UN IPCC must be called to account and integrity in science and politics must be brought back"

THANK YOU

Piers Corbyn

and yet Piers never published any scientific research into this at all. he does not even have the proper education.

but the deniers don't care, they just want to have their bias confirmed.

oh and lets play the same games the deniers played so long.

there is no statistical significant global cooling
 
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You need to look at the recent changes in our solar system to realise how insignificant human activity is. Just try and grasp the big picture.

Our World is Changing: Looking Beyond 'the 2012'

Movement of North Magnetic Pole is accelerating

Earth's Magnetic Field Is Fading

Magnetic Field Weakening in Stages, Old Ships' Logs Suggest

Earth's Core, Magnetic Field Changing Fast, Study Says

Earth's Shrinking Atmosphere Baffles Scientists

Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field Discovered

Deep Solar Minimum

Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age

Giant Ribbon Discovered at the Edge of the Solar System

Jupiter's New Red Spot

Now Broadcasting From Radio Jupiter

Big Mystery: Jupiter Loses a Stripe

Explosion Spotted on Jupiter: A Comet or Asteroid?

Super Storm on Saturn

What caused a giant arrow-shaped cloud on Saturn's moon Titan?

Is Venus’ Rotation Slowing Down?

The above is ONLY a few of the recent changes, there are a lot more if you care to do a little work.

If you can't see the implications of these changes in the solar system to us on earth with climate change being just part of it, then just wait until the grand solar minimum really kicks in with SC25. It will become obvious to everyone. :(

since year the science deniers claim there will be a new solar grand minima.... first they claimed it will be SC24 now its 25.......
yet nothing besides failed predictions like scafetta's a few years back.

you guys believe ANYTHING, alsong it has nothing to do with CO2 or reality.
 
To counter the "it's freezing, global warming isn't true" argument, Australia is bracing itself for its hottest day ever:

Australia's daily temperature record of 50.7 degrees may be challenged today or tomorrow as a big heatwave builds across north-western WA.
Emu Creek, in the dusty heart of the Pilbara, may be the first place in Australia to record 50 degrees since 1998, according to modelling by the Bureau of Meteorology.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...ee-scorcher-20140108-30gmd.html#ixzz2pprIjNPO

That's about 124F.
 
Nobody ever said it was going to get cold everywhere. Some places will get warmer. That's why it's called global cooling.
 
Since sarcasm and humor doesn't do well on the internet, I will have to explain.
Nobody ever said it was going to get cold everywhere. Some places will get warmer. That's why it's called global cooling.

That is the line used when there is record cold and snow and somebody mentions weather as if it means anything in regards to global temperatures.

So if somebody says it's record cold In Chicago you will hear, "Nobody ever said it was going to get warm everywhere. Some places will get colder. That's why it's called global warming."

For those not humor impaired, I apologize for explaining a joke.
 
and yet Piers never published any scientific research into this at all. he does not even have the proper education.

but the deniers don't care, they just want to have their bias confirmed.

oh and lets play the same games the deniers played so long.

there is no statistical significant global cooling
His empirical evidence is here

You need to check your facts DC ... his education is good:-
He obtained a first-class honours degree in physics at Imperial College London,
He studied astrophysics in 1979 at Queen Mary College, London, later examining the relationship between Earth's weather and climate and solar activity. Later he formed WeatherAction

Weather Action TV 26/4/2013 The Mini Ice Age Is Upon Us & Arctic Ice Claims Disproved Published on 2 May 2013

since year the science deniers claim there will be a new solar grand minima.... first they claimed it will be SC24 now its 25.......
yet nothing besides failed predictions like scafetta's a few years back.
DC it started with SC24 ... you know ... the pause :D

you guys believe ANYTHING, alsong it has nothing to do with CO2 or reality.
Mmm ... I think that's projection

Have you nothing else to say about the big picture video and links?

Maybe you don't understand, try this video They Want to Blame You - (A21CS Section 1.2)
 
You need to look at the recent changes in our solar system to realise how insignificant human activity is. Just try and grasp the big picture.

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If you can't see the implications of these changes in the solar system to us on earth with climate change being just part of it, then just wait until the grand solar minimum really kicks in with SC25. It will become obvious to everyone. :(

I didn't ask you to prove that the sun has influence over the climate. I know that already. I asked you to show that our own influence over the climate is insignificant in comparison, or indeed insignificant at all.

Don't forget my other two requests, please.
 
Scientists reject claims of record cold being caused by ‘global warming’

R-j might be able to claim that he isn't making that argument, but you are definitely claiming that "it's cold today" means "no climate change".

That denotes a very clear misunderstanding of climate.
 
To counter the "it's freezing, global warming isn't true" argument, Australia is bracing itself for its hottest day ever:


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...ee-scorcher-20140108-30gmd.html#ixzz2pprIjNPO

That's about 124F.

Again, I wish this weren't brought up as a counter to the "it's freezing, global warming isn't true" argument. At best, it proves that global cooling isn't happening either. It does nothing to prove global warming, and makes your side of the argument look disingenuous to people like me who want to honestly look at the science and figure out what's going on.
 
I agree it is no small factor, but look at your list.

Where is converting grassland to cropland? Where is converting a grazing system of animal husbandry to a CAFO system? Where is converting to "green revolution" management with synthetic fertilizers and pesticides?
First, it wasn't "my list", and I realize now I forgot the link. It's just a paper about how much warming there has been from land iuse changes. Certainly changing prarie to croplands is a huge change worldwide. Much like the flooded rice paddies are.
And why do climate scientists ignore it? Because it is considered a necessary evil that is impossible to fix without starving the world.
I don't know about that, but certainly the IPCC and a lot pof researchers ignore a lot of things. They have an obvious agenda, and it isn't about restoring the health of the soils.
I just have to bite my tongue and take the criticism until I can prove otherwise with hard data.
Not if you are predicting disasters! Then you can use words like "might", "could", "may" or "possibly", and call it climate science. Nobody qould question you if you make it sound dire and threatening.

The difference is that farmers and ranchers are doing it, very few scientists. Once the scientific community finally catches up, the whole equation will change.
Since when has the "scientific community" cared about farmers much at all? Heck, if farmers had listened to the "scientific consensus" about climate change, they would have been screwed. Don't farmers tend to pay attention to reality, not some expert making crazy claims about the weather?

Attributing the same exact effect to two equal and opposite causes is a very strange state of affairs that requires a very good explanation to support it. If there is one, great. But I find it difficult to believe that the Earth is in this "sweet spot" sort of stasis in which both an increase in temperature and a decrease in temperature not only leads to catastrophic weather events but the same catastrophic weather events. It strains credulity.
That is putting it nice. It actually just makes the same fools look worse. It never ends with these people.

I never claimed he was a climate scientist or even a reliable source. I had no idea who he was when I got linked to him. After all, it really doesn't matter who pointed out the discrepancy.
Oh but it does. If the "wrong person" says something, even when it is obviously true, it doesn't matter because of who said it. That's how climate science works now.
 
Again, I wish this weren't brought up as a counter to the "it's freezing, global warming isn't true" argument. At best, it proves that global cooling isn't happening either. It does nothing to prove global warming, and makes your side of the argument look disingenuous to people like me who want to honestly look at the science and figure out what's going on.

I guess I must be on ignore. Oh well.
 
I guess I must be on ignore. Oh well.

You're not on ignore, you're holding a parallel conversation in the thread that I haven't been paying attention to. I only jumped in because an AGW advocate said something that I feel is harmful to his own side of the debate, and as somebody who hasn't yet chosen a side, I want to point this out.
 
To counter the "it's freezing, global warming isn't true" argument
I hate that argument, for the same reasons I hate it when people use a hot day, a heat wave or an unusually mild winter to state "it's proof of global warming".

It's like we just somehow throw out all climate knowledge and use any event to push something onto others, all the while feeling smugness and confirmation of what we already know. Not scientific at all!
 
I didn't ask you to prove that the sun has influence over the climate. I know that already. I asked you to show that our own influence over the climate is insignificant in comparison, or indeed insignificant at all.
The big picture stuff does that Belz imo have a look at the video and links I've posted and then ask yourself that question again. I can't spell it out any clearer but no worries if you don't get it, in a short span of time even you will see.

Don't forget my other two requests, please.
Sorry I don't remember what they where. I only dip into this thread when I have spare time, so I miss a lot of fair questions, some I just ignore if they are boring, people can find their own answers. Does that make me a bad person? ;)
R-j might be able to claim that he isn't making that argument, but you are definitely claiming that "it's cold today" means "no climate change".

That denotes a very clear misunderstanding of climate.
I think you'll find I'm quoting Scientists. Don't shoot the messenger :)

I just started reading this ...

Could this study on honesty and government service explain the EPA climateer fraud and ‘Climategate’ ?
 
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