Merged Global Warming Discussion II: Heated Conversation

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Even that part of it is wrong. NOAA's own data indicates that the warming stopped in the late 1990s and it's actually been cooling over the past few years.
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You are not quoting science sources and do you really think the atmosphere is where the only warming takes place???.

How ....in your own words.....is the atmosphere warmed?

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....geez primary school.....

does this look like it's stopped warming??

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why don't stop reading crap and talk to climate scientists and READ FFS. There are a few working scientists here that can help with questions once you've read the basics.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/
 
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If natural cycles are leading to a much colder period, could we change it?
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Orbitals were gradually drifting the global temp down by extremely small increments and as mentioned this is a 30k years kind of progress.

So yes we have reversed this temperature drift downward and replaced with something by comparison represents a vertical spike to levels not seen in millions of years.

Could we slow dramatically....say 60% reduction in fossil fuel use by 2060 which is being plotted out by some then we might hover around the Holocene Optimum a bit warmer but not outside the biome tolerance for this period.

Much above that tho species have little hope of coping as room to move runs out for many
 
icebear said:
No, there's not a single thing humans can do which would have any effect on planetary weather.
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That is probably the truest statement in this whole debate.

Can you imagine during the very cold spell of the 1970's if I had proposed burning lots of fossil fuels and coal to release CO2 we could warm the whole planet up ???

They would have carted me off to the looney bin.

Today they endorse the theory and they still call me looney.
 
Some of you people actually seem to believe that Earth-Sun distances affect planetary temperatures noticably... Any of you actually ever get as far as the section on light in high school physics??

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There is no "debate" Arnold. There are a couple of deniers showing off their ignorance of how the works for what reason that suits them.

So who is wrong ....Head of Exxon or you??? He claims climate change is a serious risk - you claim it's not happening

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Some of you people actually seem to believe that Earth-Sun distances affect planetary temperatures noticably... Any of you actually ever get as far as the section on light in high school physics??
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You do like to demonstrate your ignorance don't you IB...tell us

...is the is the sun closer to the earth in the summer or the winter??

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BTW IceBear....do you know yet why you are being laughed at for this??

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NOAA also reported that the “average lower strastospheric temperature, about six to ten miles above the Earth’s surface, for 2012 was record or near-record cold, -

See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/....qQrDG86h.dpuf
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macdoc said:
There is no "debate" Arnold. There are a couple of deniers showing off their ignorance of how the works for what reason that suits them.

So who is wrong ....Head of Exxon or you??? He claims climate change is a serious risk - you claim it's not happening

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You do like to demonstrate your ignorance don't you IB...tell us

...is the is the sun closer to the earth in the summer or the winter??
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No sir .... I say the climate does change and has changed for thousands of years. ... That sir , is what I would call "settled Science"
If the climate was not changing right now , that would have me concerned , it would be abnormal.

If Mr Exxon says climate change is a serious risk .... he is correct , and I would agree ..... because if the climate changed to a sudden and prolonged cooling it would pose a serious risk to much of the world's population.

So Mr. MAC .... I have just handed Mr Exxon back to you smelling like a rose .

And I can do even better .... according to you, .... Mr Exxon would have the solution for global cooling .... he could increase the production of fossil fuels and help us spew CO2 into the atmosphere , and voila .... the planet would begin to warm again .....Right ???

I certainly realize you intended "Climate Change" to mean "Global Warming" ... But It was not me who dropped the "Global Warming" terminology

I may be an ignoramus but I do not use trickery , nor do I hide behind Broad meaning statements such as "Climate Change" which could mean 101 different things.

Best wishes in your studies
 
icebear said:
Some of you people actually seem to believe that Earth-Sun distances affect planetary temperatures noticably... Any of you actually ever get as far as the section on light in high school physics??

:eye-poppi:eye-poppi:eye-poppi
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IF you are talking about the slow evolution of our planet's orbit back and forth between more circular and more elliptical, check out the effect of the Milankovitch cycles upon climate.

Orbital eccentricity

Here's an older paper describing the issues in fairly simple terms (our understandings have greatly improved since this paper was published):

"Ice ages and the Milankovitch theory: A study of interactive climate feedback mechanisms" - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1979.tb00897.x/pdf
 
Mr. Tillison is referring to climate change caused by fossil fuel emissions which they were informed by their own scientists, would alter the climate way back in 1995.
its own scientific and technical experts were advising that the science backing the role of greenhouse gases in global warming could not be refuted
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Just what does your grade 9 linguistic skills make of this...?

Managing long-term climate risks | ExxonMobil
corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/.../climate.../managing-climate-change-ris...‎
Rising greenhouse-gas emissions pose significant risks to society and ecosystems. Learn more at ExxonMobil.com.
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Our views and principles for managing climate change | ExxonMobil
corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/.../climate-policy-principles‎
If policymakers do move to impose a cost on carbon, we believe that a carbon tax would be a more effective policy option to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions
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http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-policy-principles/overview

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AM - you're just a propaganda conduit ....iie the bigger the lie the better...... for the rightwingdings and even some of them are jumping the AGW denier ship as they are so far into loonie land..joining up with the anti-evolution cranks.

Icebear on the other hand is woefully ill informed on how his planet's atmosphere works and if he was honest enough to ask could learn something in this thread.
 
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icebear said:
What, pray tell, is an "orbital evolution(TM)"??
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"The limits of Earth orbital calculations for geological time-scale use" - http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/honours/labs/solar_system/papers/laskar.pdf

"Earth’s orbital eccentricity and the rhythm of the Pleistocene ice ages: the concealed pacemaker" - http://www.geosci.unc.edu/files/documents_PDF/Rials_Research/GPCiceages.pdf

http://www.science.gov/topicpages/m/milankovitch+orbital+forcing.html

The term is neither new, mine, nor considered controversial among astronomers, other planetary researchers, or people with more than a passing familiarity with those areas of science.
 
icebear said:
Some of you people actually seem to believe that Earth-Sun distances affect planetary temperatures noticably... Any of you actually ever get as far as the section on light in high school physics??

:eye-poppi:eye-poppi:eye-poppi
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Imagine someone thinking that if you square the arms of a right triangle, add them together and take the square root of the sum that you will solve for the length of the hypotenuse!

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