Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Grinder]

I see The Machine is saying again Kercher and Knox blood is mixed together on the bathroom tap. Of all his points this is the only remotely unexplained one, was it conclusively determined either way?

There was blood from each of them but not mixed.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

I see The Machine is saying again Kercher and Knox blood is mixed together on the bathroom tap. Of all his points this is the only remotely unexplained one, was it conclusively determined either way?

Investigators found a streak of blood on the bathroom faucet that turned out to be Amanda's, but that particular sample was not mixed with Meredith's DNA. It may have been minor bleeding from an ear piercing, just as Amanda thought. Or maybe she irritated her gums when she brushed her teeth. Who knows. She used that bathroom every day. Nothing but speculation connects this finding to the murder.

Police also swabbed visible traces of Meredith's blood. Some of the swabs picked up Amanda's DNA as well. It's like the substrate DNA in the Horwitz case, which Halides mentioned above.

No test was ever performed that would establish that any of the mixed DNA samples contained the blood of both contributors, and nobody ever testified that it did.

The "mixed blood" fable comes from Luciano Garofano, an extra-judicial gadfly who says he can detect the presence of blood in a DNA sample by examining an electropherogram. This method is unknown to science.

It is interesting for me to follow the mythography six years on. The actual case presented in 2009 has been largely forgotten. This allows the court system and a toxic cult on the Internet to perpetuate claims that were examined and discredited, as well as claims that were never made in court.

I am attaching a pdf that summarizes DNA results from the crime scene.

 

[Grinder]

Went to look and saw this:

bernadette wrote:
To me the other possible scenario of this: is that it is a stranger rape, and that Guede went there along with some ugly company, the motive being theft but also knowing as Guede probably did that Meredith would be alone in the house .

This other scenario is basically the same as your first scenario. No band of robbers is going to do a home invasion over some college student's rent money which may or may not be there. Have you ever heard of anything like this actually happening?​

No robbers would go after 1000 Euro in cash, but it is highly likely that three people would come together to kill a girl with no trail of contact that day and very little connection ever.

bernadette wrote:
In particular I honk this was somebody who knew how to use a knife. How to kill.

No. There is a proper way to use a knife, the way you've probably seen in movies, and this was not it. Amateur work​

Killing enemy sentries with combat knives is fairly well known and is taught by all major armies. Basically, the subject is approached from the rear, grasp the mouth and nose in a clamped palm and simultaneously thrust the knife into the right kidney area, withdraw the knife and slash the throat from ear to ear. Some other variations: instead of slicing the throat the knife is stabbed into the neck about three to four inches below the ear until it protrudes from the opposite side; then the knife is slashed outwards, through the throat. The knife can also be stabbed downwards, through the gap between the collar bone and shoulder blades to sever the subclavian artery. This attack is very useful if the subject is in a sitting position. The knife should be worked backwards and forwards during the withdrawal and one must try to slash as much of the underlying tissue as possible in the process.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Bernadette must be a noob. She better clean up her act or the cult is going to throw her out on her ear.

 

[Grinder]

Bernadette must be a noob. She better clean up her act or the cult is going to throw her out on her ear.

First post. They give a little more leeway these days before giving them the "thanks for stopping by."

 

[Bill Williams]

I see The Machine is saying again Kercher and Knox blood is mixed together on the bathroom tap. Of all his points this is the only remotely unexplained one, was it conclusively determined either way?

No judicial finding ever found mixed blood. Not even close. This is one of of Harry Rag's most oft repeated lies... perhaps it did not start out as a bona fide lie, but by now it is clear there is no mixed blood.

Even the convicting Judge, Judge Massei, consistently writes about "Amanda Knox's biological material" being mixing in with Meredith's blood. Even on the surface of this, it is hardly surprising that Knox's "biological material" (hair, shedding of skin) is found anywhere in that cottage, much less the bathroom she shared with Meredith, and to which Rudy went after killing the poor victim.

There is nothing that even hints at mixed blood - but if Harry Rag keeps repeating it, it becomes a factoid. Another factoid of Rag's is an "abundance of DNA" found on the knife and bra-clasp. Most of whatever was found was so unabundant that the destructive tests used to test it completely destroyed the sample on the first test.

Rag has to give up on factoids. There is no reason whatsoever to continue to vilify innocents like this.

 

[moodstream]

I see The Machine is saying again Kercher and Knox blood is mixed together on the bathroom tap. Of all his points this is the only remotely unexplained one, was it conclusively determined either way?

One problem with this idea is that Knox was carefully examined for cuts and bruises and none were found.So from where did she bleed? The only guilter argument is from a bloody nose.But there was no swelling.

 

[Grinder]

This is too much fun:

The prevailing defence scenario is that Meredith came home and surprised Guede while he was in the bathroom. He came out and, unable to leave via the broken front door, was forced to attack Meredith for her keys. Never mind that the obvious thing to do would be to escape via some other route, rather than escalate to a face to face confrontation, let alone a murder-rape. All the defence can say at this point is that prosecution scenario has a couple of missing scenes, and that the bounty of other evidence against Knox and Sollecito is wrong. But there are several plausible ways to fill the prosecution's missing scenes. Essentially all of them involve Knox being the instigator, so it's fitting that she should get the longest sentence.

Ah perhaps it is possible that he was confronted by her, you think? Yes the PG scenario has a few missing scenes like how they met up that night and why Rudy would join in the killing of Meredith. Or how about how they were able to kill her time to stop her digestion before anything reached the duodenum. Or how they were able to be in the plaza and murder her at the same times and get back and forth without the car people and tow truck noticing her. How they were able to be involved in a violent knife murder and get no cuts and leave nothing behind. If they want to count the bra clasp then they need to explain how a tiny amount of DNA was there but nothing on the other parts of the bra, oh and none in the room or on her body or clothes.

Yes a few scenes are missing but clearly the fact that Rudy didn't run and dive out of Filomena's window is a much stronger argument.

 

[LondonJohn]

One problem with this idea is that Knox was carefully examined for cuts and bruises and none were found.So from where did she bleed? The only guilter argument is from a bloody nose.But there was no swelling.

Yes. Many pro-guilt commentators appear to have rationalised that Knox "must" have been punched or slapped very hard about the nose by Meredith - presumably at some point during the fabled "struggle" (for which there is zero evidence on Meredith's body).

But of course this ludicrous fantasy is missing two rather important evidential pointers: 1) any sort of mark or bruising on Knox's nose or cheek, or round her eye; 2) any sort of mark on Meredith's knuckles or hand consistent with a punch or slap that was hard enough to have caused a nosebleed. Those pro-guilt commentators who believe in the "nosebleed" theory seem to have also trained themselves to believe that it's possible to get a bleeding nose from blunt force trauma (as opposed to, say, blowing the nose too hard or a random burst blood vessel) and yet sustain no visible aftereffects whatsoever the following day or any time thereafter. This is incorrect and ridiculous on its face.

In the same crazy vein is the nonsense about the mark on Knox's neck. It's absolutely crystal clear that this mark was not the result of any activity that broke the skin: there's quite clearly no scarring or cut line. In fact, it's nothing more than a bruise, albeit one that might also have drawn out a small amount of blood through the skin. And with that in mind, it's very likely that the bruising was caused by some sort of vacuum pressure on the skin - which is completely consistent with Knox's account of receiving a "hickey" ("love bite") from Sollecito.

I also read with great amusement that court testimony (to Massei) on this neck mark was offered up by a police interpreter, who testified to seeing the mark on the 4th November as Knox was being interviewed by the police. Note that this testimony did not come from the actual police who were interviewing Knox - you know, the police who were actually the ones investigating a high-profile murder in which Knox was clearly a person of interest, and who was sitting in front of them for hours on end from the 2nd November onwards. No, the court testimony came from the person called in to do the translation!

I would add this as yet another addition to the fat file marked "Perugia State Police incompetence" - perhaps on the page after the one where the police offer nothing more than casual anecdotal "evidence" that there was absolutely no glass on the scrubby ground underneath Filomena's window. These sorts of things are utterly basic crime-scene and person-of-interest management issues. The Perugia State Police goons weren't capable of doing even the most basic policing.

 

[LondonJohn]

Remember when the bookkeeper and the Anglo hating legal secretary said that the interest in the case had waned?

A 95 minute long documentary about the Meredith Kercher case, will be aired tonight at 21.55 (9.55 pm) Rome-Berlin time (GMT +01) on DER SPIEGEL TV-Wissen.

The documentary is in German.

It will be aired again on the night between Dec. 27. and 38. at around 3.am Rome-Berlin time.

Courtesy of Yummi.

Gosh. I wonder how/why an Italian living in Italy knows and follows the schedule of a German cable TV channel......?*

There will obviously be a good deal of media interest in the case at the time around the Nencini court verdict. That's the way the news cycle works. And whether the verdict is for guilt or acquittal, the case will fall out of the media agenda within a week maximum, until the next significant event happens.

For anyone who doubts this, remember (for example) that people are still being slaughtered in Syria day in and day out - but it's not in the purview of the mainstream media any longer, so it's almost as if it's "not happening". If you had a particular interest in the Syria situation, however, I can imagine that you might be somewhat incensed at the mainstream media for losing interest in the story. Unfortunately, though, that's the way it works.


* PS: I understand there's an excellent programme on home decoration - "Decora" - on the GNT cable channel in Brazil at 21.55 local time this evening. Tonight's episode features two sisters who call in the Decora team to redecorate a room that their parents have ruined by overcrowding it. It sounds both informative and a lot of fun!

 

[Strozzi]

This is too much fun:

The prevailing defence scenario is that Meredith came home and surprised Guede while he was in the bathroom. He came out and, unable to leave via the broken front door, was forced to attack Meredith for her keys. Never mind that the obvious thing to do would be to escape via some other route, rather than escalate to a face to face confrontation, let alone a murder-rape. All the defence can say at this point is that prosecution scenario has a couple of missing scenes, and that the bounty of other evidence against Knox and Sollecito is wrong. But there are several plausible ways to fill the prosecution's missing scenes. Essentially all of them involve Knox being the instigator, so it's fitting that she should get the longest sentence.

Ah perhaps it is possible that he was confronted by her, you think? Yes the PG scenario has a few missing scenes like how they met up that night and why Rudy would join in the killing of Meredith. Or how about how they were able to kill her time to stop her digestion before anything reached the duodenum. Or how they were able to be in the plaza and murder her at the same times and get back and forth without the car people and tow truck noticing her. How they were able to be involved in a violent knife murder and get no cuts and leave nothing behind. If they want to count the bra clasp then they need to explain how a tiny amount of DNA was there but nothing on the other parts of the bra, oh and none in the room or on her body or clothes.

Yes a few scenes are missing but clearly the fact that Rudy didn't run and dive out of Filomena's window is a much stronger argument.

I want to point out a few things that have almost certainly been pointed on this blog before I started following two years ago, but which I think are important.

Rudy was financially destitute on Nov 1. No known means of support, his rent was due, and hs landlady was demanding proof of employment. He knew the immediate neighborhood, the exterior of the cottage, and had visited the downstairs guys twice. He had a natural reason to stop by that evening to see if he could hangout with any of the guys who might be around. No evidence that the burglary was planned before that evening - he may have dropped by to see the guys, found the house dark, and decided on the spur of the moment to break in for any cash and valuables. So why would he want or need an accomplice? He'd be expected to share any money or other valuables (laptops, etc.) he stole, which is something he would not want to do.

Filomena's room was dark when Rudy entered. He may not have turned on a light - at least not immediately. He may have moved quickly through Filomena's room, perhaps stumbling in the dark into her table or other things, to check out the layout of the upstairs flat - see the common area, note location of the front door, see where the bedrooms are, etc.

When Rudy was spotted by Meredith (if it happened that way), or barged into her room with his knife in his hand surprising her by her bed, I doubt that there was any intelligible communication between Rudy and Meredith. He would have been agressively giving commands, and she frightened for her life. She screamed so loud Rudy was afraid passers-by would have heard it. Italian language commands and her responses probably escaped her at that point. No meaningful dialogue in Italian or English would have been understood. Rudy's blade at her throat did the talking.

 

[kwill]

The prevailing defence scenario is that Meredith came home and surprised Guede while he was in the bathroom. He came out and, unable to leave via the broken front door, was forced to attack Meredith for her keys. Never mind that the obvious thing to do would be to escape via some other route, rather than escalate to a face to face confrontation, let alone a murder-rape. All the defence can say at this point is that prosecution scenario has a couple of missing scenes, and that the bounty of other evidence against Knox and Sollecito is wrong. But there are several plausible ways to fill the prosecution's missing scenes. Essentially all of them involve Knox being the instigator, so it's fitting that she should get the longest sentence.

Do serious people really post this stuff? If any of them are lurking here, know that the writer has mischaracterized the argument and the evidence.

The obvious thing for some people might have been to try to leave the house, but this is Rudy Guede, who had successfully talked himself out of trouble twice in just the past couple of weeks -- both times when he was caught where he didn't belong or with stolen property. It's not at all obvious that he wouldn't have tried again. The likeliest thing is that he did just that, only Meredith freaked out instead of succumbing to his persuasive charm.

The other issue is that there is no bounty of evidence against either Amanda or Raffaele. There is no physical evidence at all. We keep being asked to imagine a violent scene in which three people attack one victim. Half the people in the scene leave clear, irrefutable physical evidence. The other half leave none at all.

What sort of person is it that needs so desperately to punish innocents? I really don't get it.

 

[Grinder]

Rudy was financially destitute on Nov 1. No known means of support, his rent was due, and hs landlady was demanding proof of employment. He knew the immediate neighborhood, the exterior of the cottage, and had visited the downstairs guys twice. He had a natural reason to stop by that evening to see if he could hangout with any of the guys who might be around. No evidence that the burglary was planned before that evening - he may have dropped by to see the guys, found the house dark, and decided on the spur of the moment to break in for any cash and valuables. So why would he want or need an accomplice? He'd be expected to share any money or other valuables (laptops, etc.) he stole, which is something he would not want to do.

The being broke and landlady demanding payment long has been put forward but I don't recall ever seeing proof of this from a credible source. Owning a house in another part of Europe it is very hard to evict a tenant and most countries have ample unemployment/welfare systems to keep people off the street.

It is possible that he owed money to his suppliers and they went along with him to help find some cash. Did Rudy know how to disarm the burglar alarm at the lawyers' office or did he have help. Why was Kokomani there with two cell phones? Could Koko have dropped off Rudy and another Albanian gang member? Why did Koko go back to Albania? I can imagine that if this did happen that it would explain why Rudy won't really talk.

The obvious thing for some people might have been to try to leave the house, but this is Rudy Guede, who had successfully talked himself out of trouble twice in just the past couple of weeks -- both times when he was caught where he didn't belong or with stolen property. It's not at all obvious that he wouldn't have tried again. The likeliest thing is that he did just that, only Meredith freaked out instead of succumbing to his persuasive charm.

With Christian he threatened with a knife, no charm.

The other issue is that there is no bounty of evidence against either Amanda or Raffaele. There is no physical evidence at all. We keep being asked to imagine a violent scene in which three people attack one victim. Half the people in the scene leave clear, irrefutable physical evidence. The other half leave none at all.

What sort of person is it that needs so desperately to punish innocents? I really don't get it.

In fairness, there is no evidence that you accept. I don't believe the DNA evidence can be used because of how it was handled throughout. I don't think the footprints are matches but would be of some value if the DNA evidence was solid. The mixture of Meredith's blood and Amanda's DNA in Filomena's room always seemed problematic. I would add that Amanda's blood in the bathroom has never been explained convincingly.

The other side is that the key pieces, DNA and footprints aren't reliable and the most likely TOD wouldn't allow for the kids to have been there. Rudy's Skype conversation also should have been given more weight as he didn't know he was being recorded. None of the witnesses are reliable and if Curatolo is accepted, he gives them an alibi.

But the idea that it is less credible that Rudy would kill Meredith than that he got together with A and R somehow and went over with them and killed Meredith is absurd.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Do serious people really post this stuff? If any of them are lurking here, know that the writer has mischaracterized the argument and the evidence.

The obvious thing for some people might have been to try to leave the house, but this is Rudy Guede, who had successfully talked himself out of trouble twice in just the past couple of weeks -- both times when he was caught where he didn't belong or with stolen property. It's not at all obvious that he wouldn't have tried again. The likeliest thing is that he did just that, only Meredith freaked out instead of succumbing to his persuasive charm.

I haven't seen much evidence that Guede was either persuasive or charming as of 2007. Tramontano says Guede pulled a knife on him, and del Prato described him as someone who seemed dangerous. Zach Novak says Guede had a reputation for harassing women in bars, and a witness testified that Guede harassed women on the street.

We don't know how it started, much less what he was thinking. Certainly it's possible he resorted to murder because he was trapped in a situation he would have preferred to avoid. IMO it's just as possible he decided to rape and kill Meredith the moment she walked through the door and he realized he had her alone.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

The mixture of Meredith's blood and Amanda's DNA in Filomena's room always seemed problematic. I would add that Amanda's blood in the bathroom has never been explained convincingly.

Grinder,

Maybe it is not blood in Filomena's room (a true confirmatory test should have been done). Maybe it is blood, but it was carried on the booties of the FP, as Steve Moore has implied in the link I provided earlier today. Substrate controls, taking samples near the stain and checking them for DNA, would have helped to clarify whether or not the stain were related to the DNA.

As for Amanda's blood in the bathroom, I seem to recall seeing a photo of Amanda's pillowcase, and it had a bloodstain that might be explained as coming from her infected ear. IIRC only her blood was on the tap; I am unaware of Meredith's blood being on the tap, although it was elsewhere.

 

[RandyN]

The being broke and landlady demanding payment long has been put forward but I don't recall ever seeing proof of this from a credible source. Owning a house in another part of Europe it is very hard to evict a tenant and most countries have ample unemployment/welfare systems to keep people off the street.

It is possible that he owed money to his suppliers and they went along with him to help find some cash. Did Rudy know how to disarm the burglar alarm at the lawyers' office or did he have help. Why was Kokomani there with two cell phones? Could Koko have dropped off Rudy and another Albanian gang member? Why did Koko go back to Albania? I can imagine that if this did happen that it would explain why Rudy won't really talk.




With Christian he threatened with a knife, no charm.



In fairness, there is no evidence that you accept. I don't believe the DNA evidence can be used because of how it was handled throughout. I don't think the footprints are matches but would be of some value if the DNA evidence was solid. 1. The mixture of Meredith's blood and Amanda's DNA in Filomena's room always seemed problematic. 2. I would add that Amanda's blood in the bathroom has never been explained convincingly. The other side is that the key pieces, DNA and footprints aren't reliable and the most likely TOD wouldn't allow for the kids to have been there. 3. Rudy's Skype conversation also should have been given more weight as he didn't know he was being recorded. None of the witnesses are reliable and if Curatolo is accepted, he gives them an alibi. But the idea that it is less credible that Rudy would kill Meredith than that he got together with A and R somehow and went over with them and killed Meredith is absurd.

1. The "mixture" in Filomena room is not problematic at all. In fact it is quite logical and easily explained for being there. The amorphous blob in Filomenas room revealed by luminol is likely a sticky juice spill (say grapefruit juice or OJ like that found in the frig) MK or AK never had to enter Filomenas room for these traces to be there. They were simply dragged into there on the bottom of the dust mop like booties worn by the inept CSI team which should have, but did not, segregate areas and change booties between areas. The only thing problematic is the fact that no Italian CSI experts have come forward and called for an investigation and additional training for this videoed example of mishandled evidence collection and examination and the lack of proper procedure from beginning to end...therefore Italy will continue to FU cases forever apparently.

2. Actually recent multiple piercings of AK ears, which had been photographed, explain a drop of her blood on the faucet quite well. BTW no MK blood or DNA was found on this faucet...as a post above alluded to.

3. I can never understand why or how RG was not called, forced, or subpoenaed to testify in this case. Sure he might well have refused to answer any questions but that can sometimes be telling in itself. Plus then the Skype conversation, as well as evidence of RG pals that he ran around with could also be called and examined...someone knows something...they just were never asked yet. RG had associates that saw him daily I am quite sure...perhaps they knew and understood how someone with no means of support could enter discos (free?) and bars and apparently maintain an active social party life. But no one seems to have been interviewed or asked.

Toto provides a perfect alibi to this illogically prosecuted case...I just wonder why no defense and or judge has not pointed that fact out and then tossed this case where it belongs...first out and then into the prosecutor abuse exam file book. But Italy seems to filled with amazingly unquestioning illogical people...no other conclusion can be made.

 

[Grinder]

Grinder,

Maybe it is not blood in Filomena's room (a true confirmatory test should have been done). Maybe it is blood, but it was carried on the booties of the FP, as Steve Moore has implied in the link I provided earlier today. Substrate controls, taking samples near the stain and checking them for DNA, would have helped to clarify whether or not the stain were related to the DNA.

As for Amanda's blood in the bathroom, I seem to recall seeing a photo of Amanda's pillowcase, and it had a bloodstain that might be explained as coming from her infected ear. IIRC only her blood was on the tap; I am unaware of Meredith's blood being on the tap, although it was elsewhere.

Chris I was only countering the "no physical evidence" remark. As I said if the DNA was valid, I would consider the blob in Filomena's room as evidence and Amanda's blood needing to be explained. The DNA isn't credible so the other "evidence" becomes of little weight.

 

[Strozzi]

1. The "mixture" in Filomena room is not problematic at all. In fact it is quite logical and easily explained for being there. The amorphous blob in Filomenas room revealed by luminol is likely a sticky juice spill (say grapefruit juice or OJ like that found in the frig) MK or AK never had to enter Filomenas room for these traces to be there. They were simply dragged into there on the bottom of the dust mop like booties worn by the inept CSI team which should have, but did not, segregate areas and change booties between areas. The only thing problematic is the fact that no Italian CSI experts have come forward and called for an investigation and additional training for this videoed example of mishandled evidence collection and examination and the lack of proper procedure from beginning to end...therefore Italy will continue to FU cases forever apparently.

2. Actually recent multiple piercings of AK ears, which had been photographed, explain a drop of her blood on the faucet quite well. BTW no MK blood or DNA was found on this faucet...as a post above alluded to.

3. I can never understand why or how RG was not called, forced, or subpoenaed to testify in this case. Sure he might well have refused to answer any questions but that can sometimes be telling in itself. Plus then the Skype conversation, as well as evidence of RG pals that he ran around with could also be called and examined...someone knows something...they just were never asked yet. RG had associates that saw him daily I am quite sure...perhaps they knew and understood how someone with no means of support could enter discos (free?) and bars and apparently maintain an active social party life. But no one seems to have been interviewed or asked.

Toto provides a perfect alibi to this illogically prosecuted case...I just wonder why no defense and or judge has not pointed that fact out and then tossed this case where it belongs...first out and then into the prosecutor abuse exam file book. But Italy seems to filled with amazingly unquestioning illogical people...no other conclusion can be made.

I don't know any reason to believe Rudy had an accomplice. Rudy had no visible means of support and needed money. Rudy was able to do a break -in alone and would not want to have to share the proceeds with anyone else. The fact that Kokoman was seen driving by or even parking there earlier that evening only indicates that he may have had a meeting there with Rudy earlier, or that he was just passing by or coming out of the parking lot, spotted Rudy, and stopped to talk with him. No indication that Kokoman was there around 9 pm or that he entered the property.

Intersting that Amanda's blood drop was on the faucet of her bathroom sink. The blood drop being on the faucet as opposed to being further back in the sink bowl or on the outer edge of the sink suggests that she was leaning forwards very close to her mirror when the drop fell, or else she got a drop of blood on her finger or hairbrush from touching her ear and it was wiped on (transferred to) her faucet. Leaning close into the mirror is a motion I would associate with checking one's face or ears up-close - which is what one might do if touching/daubbing an infected ear lobe or looking at a blemish, blackhead, clogged pore, food between the teeth, applying eyeliner, etc. Perfectly normal activity to undertake in front of the mirror at your own sink.

I would not be surprised if DNA, a bare footprint, or identifiable shoeprint of Amanda and/or Meredith is found in other parts of the house besides their own individual rooms and the hallway and bathroom they shared. There are many plausible reasons why either one might have stepped into Filomena's room. Perhaps the window was open and it was getting cool, so someone went in to close the window. Or turn off a light or radio that went on. Or put back a book or other item borrowed. Or put in Filomena's room an item that Filomena left in the living room - a pair of shoes or a sweater, for example. Laura let Amanda use her guitar, so it is very possible that Amanda stepped into Laura's room as well to get it or return it. They shared the house for about 6 weeks, if I remember correctly. They shared a hair dryer kept in the Italian women's bathroom.

 

[RandyN]

Aaarrrgghhh .... I just realized she isn't wearing any clothes !!!

Well why does she have buttons then? I see a white suit ...not all that flattering since it fails to cover up her obviously malformed arms...ugh. They almost remind me of sticks...or branches or something. Poor dear.

 

[Strozzi]

Well why does she have buttons then? I see a white suit ...not all that flattering since it fails to cover up her obviously malformed arms...ugh. They almost remind me of sticks...or branches or something. Poor dear.

Those aren't buttons! They are body piercings adorned with body jewelry - like nipple rings and more.