Merged Newtown (Sandy Hook) Shooting Conspiracy Theories In 3..2..1....

And if they do fit the conspiracy theorists' ideas, the delay in relasing the tapes indicates that the tapes were altered.

Oh, there's no risk of that happening. Remember, they're just asking questions - and anyway if you have two CTs in a room you'll get either no coherent description of what Really Happened or at least three mutually exclusive ones.
 
Oh, there's no risk of that happening. Remember, they're just asking questions - and anyway if you have two CTs in a room you'll get either no coherent description of what Really Happened or at least three mutually exclusive ones.

Sort of like how I used to be able to stop some artillery classes by asking 2 AIG (Assistant Instructor Gunnery) a fire discipline question.
 
Oh, there's no risk of that happening. Remember, they're just asking questions - and anyway if you have two CTs in a room you'll get either no coherent description of what Really Happened or at least three mutually exclusive ones.

Someone on another forum once commented that 9/11 CTs can't seem to agree on anything about the attacks except for the date.
 
Same thing they do with JFK. I have never seen a CT produce a start to finish narrative of what they think happened. All they do is poke holes in the Official Story. Which can be done to any historical event.

And the same sort of thing creationists do with evolution. For the CTers like CM and the folks at CluesForum, there is no real evidenced narrative (or need for one), only "a conspiracy diddit!" For the creationist, there is no evidenced narrative of natural history (and, again, no need for one) beyond "goddidit!" In either case, their idea of parsimonious explanation is to boil things down to a simplicity that they can accept and/or understand, and to try to poke holes in what they can't get and don't want to see. In both cases, they're missing the concept of "consilience of evidence" anyway.

And in both cases, the need for positive evidence is answered by an invocation of magical thinking; the conspiracy (or the deity) is simply assumed to have whatever properties it needs to be a successful conspiracy (or deity). Asking for the nuts-and-bolts of exactly how the gov't pulled off 9/11 or Newtown gets you "they're the gummint, man! They can do anything!" (Though, apparently, not competently enough that the deceptions can't be easily spotted by Fearless Internet Detectives in Mom's basement) Trying to pin creationists down on the mechanics of "Creation" results, sooner or later, in "he's God, man! He can do anything!"

The CTers have a word they like to use a lot- "perps." I suggest that, in any given creationist argument, you can replace the word "god" with "the perps," and see the same sort of circular thinking.

This is a bit of rant; it verges on being off-topic, and I apologize for it. It's just that, having read this and other CT and creationist threads here on JREF, I've finally realized that CTers and creationists irritate me for exactly the same reason- when they need it, they use magical thinking, which by definition is without limits and irrational, as if it's a perfectly reasonable argument within the limits of what's real, rational., and evidenced. It's their get-out-of-jail-free card, one they use in a sort of bait-and-switch tactic when they realize that they don't actually have any evidence to support the conclusion they began with anyway. If someone is going to, at some point, need to invoke magical thinking to support what they want to believe, why not at least be honest and begin with it? I won't argue with faith honestly presented.
 
Last edited:
And the same sort of thing creationists do with evolution.

Not quite the same.

The creationist doesn't really have much of a theory to flesh out. Creationism doesn't require filling in much, because it stops with "God can do anything, and this is what he did." It makes little sense to ask how God did it.

For the CTer, this isn't so. Real persons did whatever was done, and we can ask who and how and why. We can ask for a timeline that's a bit more sophisticated than a few lines of Genesis.

That's not to say that creationists who focus on arguments against evolution are reasoning well, but their error is not that they refuse to give details to their own account. Their error is in pretending that, if Darwin's theory and the various other bits of cosmology, etc., that they call evolutionary theory broadly are wrong, it doesn't follow that creationism is right. They're committing a false dilemma fallacy.
 
...For the CTer, this isn't so. Real persons did whatever was done, and we can ask who and how and why. We can ask for a timeline that's a bit more sophisticated than a few lines of Genesis.

Well, I'm doing a bit of over-simplifying of my own here, no doubt. My point is that, when you do ask a CTer for a timeline (or evidence for these real persons and how they did what was supposedly done), what you generally get is something that's really not any more sophisticated than a few lines of Genesis. What's important to them is the belief, not rational support of it, and consilience be damned.

As I've said elsewhere, this type of thinking replaces the idea that a theory must be explanatory of the evidence with the idea that a "theory" need only be explanatory for a faith; in one, the evidence comes first, and is science; in the other, the evidence comes later (if at all), and is fanfic.
 
At least with the creationists they have the rationalization for any inconsistency, "God made it happen by magic." CT have no excuse for their continued behavior when confronted by facts disproving their thesis.
 
Someone on another forum once commented that 9/11 CTs can't seem to agree on anything about the attacks except for the date.

It's because none of these people are actually trying to figure out what happened. They're trying to prove that the "official story" is wrong, even if all the evidence supports the "official story". If they accepted the "official story", then that would mean that the government and the media was telling the truth, which in their worldview is impossible.
 
It's because none of these people are actually trying to figure out what happened. They're trying to prove that the "official story" is wrong, even if all the evidence supports the "official story". If they accepted the "official story", then that would mean that the government and the media was telling the truth, which in their worldview is impossible.

I've never understood this line of thinking. If an explanation takes most factors into account, then who cares where it came from?

But, of course, CT thinking being what it is, they (no, not the ominous they, just the CT thinkers) probably think that the "official story" doesn't take all factors onto account, or simply hides some factors, or makes some up.

I keep on hearing the word "Watergate". Does that mean anything to you?

Anyway, enough psychic readings from me. :D
 
Who's Sofia Smallstorm and why should we care what she says? Besides, Adam Lanza was an experienced shooter, so wouldn't he have been used to carrying guns?
 
Sofia Smallstorm Unraveling Sandy Hook


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1yfJDCMU64

8 minutes in The impossibility of a skinny kid carrying all the weight of the ammo and guns and carrying out the attack in just a few minutes.

I work as a labourer for a tree surgeon. I'm 6'1", 17 stones in weight. My workmate is 5'9" and about 11 stones. He runs me a close second for the amount of wood he can shift.

Personal incredulity from the CT crowd - how surprising.
 
I work as a labourer for a tree surgeon. I'm 6'1", 17 stones in weight. My workmate is 5'9" and about 11 stones. He runs me a close second for the amount of wood he can shift.

Personal incredulity from the CT crowd - how surprising.

Audie Murphy was about 5'5" and weighed around 115 lbs when he enlisted (that's...uh...a little over 8 stone, I think). It's an impossibility, an impossibility, I tellya, that he could have lugged around all those WWII guns and ammo and won a Medal of Honor for doing it!
 
Last edited:
Oh, I noticed she had the same first name as the "clunkety-clunk" lady, but I didn't know they were the same person. And that just makes me even more inclined to ignore her. :rolleyes:
 
Audie Murphy was about 5'5" and weighed around 115 lbs when he enlisted (that's...uh...a little over 8 stone, I think). It's an impossibility, an impossibility, I tellya, that he could have lugged around all those WWII guns and ammo and won a Medal of Honor for doing it!
That's a good one. If I remember correctly he used a 50 cal mounted on a burning tank destroyer. No need to carry anything I guess.

Ranb
 
That's a good one. If I remember correctly he used a 50 cal mounted on a burning tank destroyer. No need to carry anything I guess.

Ranb

Presumably he didn't have a factotum to carry his kit around for him when he wasn't firing the 50 cal.
 

Back
Top Bottom