Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!

[Mike!]

This ^

Not to mention, the chances of repealing the ACA are less than that of a snowball's chance in hell until January 2017 when President Obama leaves office because of his veto power, and that's assuming the Republicans win the White House and majorities in both houses of Congress in 2016. And by that time the ACA will be firmly entrenched, so going after it with the plan to repeal it will be akin to committing political suicide.

All the noise coming from the GOP on this stuff is little more than a long, slow death rattle.

I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know, but, you are aware it's not impossible to overrule a Presidential veto, right?

For those who didn't know, it requires a 2/3's majority of both houses.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/override_of_a_veto.htm

 

[MattusMaximus]

I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know, but, you are aware it's not impossible to overrule a Presidential veto, right?

For those who didn't know, it requires a 2/3's majority of both houses.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/override_of_a_veto.htm

Well, I did say "less than a snowball's chance in hell" which technically is more than zero... but not by much

 

[Neally]

Ayn Rand's tears are dear to me

Those poor souls in Greece felt the same way when they kept demanding more. Now, well, it didn't turn out so well, but it was great while it lasted!

 

[tyr_13]

Those poor souls in Greece felt the same way when they kept demanding more. Now, well, it didn't turn out so well, but it was great while it lasted!

And Canada. Those poor bastards can't even afford to have any major businesses or banking...wait...

That slope not only isn't as slippery as you think it is, it's not even the same slope.

 

[Unabogie]

And Canada. Those poor bastards can't even afford to have any major businesses or banking...wait...

That slope not only isn't as slippery as you think it is, it's not even the same slope.

And the UK. And Germany. And France. And Japan. And Sweden. And...

 

[Neally]

And Canada. Those poor bastards can't even afford to have any major businesses or banking...wait...

That slope not only isn't as slippery as you think it is, it's not even the same slope.

And Obamacare isn't the plan Canada has either.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I've been hearing about a new "reset" button added to the Healthcare.gov website, intended to help anyone who had previously gotten stuck to restart the process. I wonder if any Forumites, such as WildCat, who've been having trouble with their enrollment have tried the "reset" button. Can anyone chime in on that?

 

[tyr_13]

And Obamacare isn't the plan Canada has either.

I know! I wish it were. It's more like Germany's but not all the way. There is surely room for improvement.

But in the way you criticized it, it is like Canada's plan. It's going to become popular and an entitlement program. This is unlikely to lead to Greece like problems which were caused by MANY problems and the main ones not being healthcare. A lot of them were things we and many (most?) othe countries already do, but not to the dangerous and foolish degree that Greece did.

Again, the slope isn't slippery and it's not even the same slope. Same mountain maybe.

 

[WildCat]

I've been hearing about a new "reset" button added to the Healthcare.gov website, intended to help anyone who had previously gotten stuck to restart the process. I wonder if any Forumites, such as WildCat, who've been having trouble with their enrollment have tried the "reset" button. Can anyone chime in on that?

I have not seen a reset button. There is now, however, a box so you can tell them the problem you are having. I told them the problem, maybe they'll fix it one day.

 

[Unabogie]

They'll never fix the site for wingnuts, since if they did they wouldn't have such amazing stories to tell.

 

[Fudbucker]

I have not seen a reset button. There is now, however, a box so you can tell them the problem you are having. I told them the problem, maybe they'll fix it one day.

I couldn't find one either.

 

[AlexW]

May be that it's not a button exactly:

•If you’re having trouble creating an account, we have reset email addresses in our system to clear out any problems. So go ahead and try again using your email address but you may need to choose a new username.

 

[Cleon]

I wouldn't recommend IT as a career choice if you really believe this.

Perhaps, but he seems ideally suited for a career in IT management.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I have not seen a reset button. There is now, however, a box so you can tell them the problem you are having. I told them the problem, maybe they'll fix it one day.

Within just a minute of Googling "healthcare.gov reset button", I came across this great article from Consumer Reports:

... Another big deal is the creation of a “reset” button that allows you to erase an old application that may have become irretrievably stuck in electronic limbo, and start over (see the image at the bottom of the the page. Here are instructions, from the same blog:

1. After logging in, select the application in process and hit the “REMOVE” link, as shown in the image below.

2. Close and re-open your browser.

3. Log in again and start a new application.

So that's how you hit the "reset button", apparently. I recommend sharing this far and wide with anyone who has had trouble signing up before now.

Good luck, WC

 

[WildCat]

Within just a minute of Googling "healthcare.gov reset button", I came across this great article from Consumer Reports:



So that's how you hit the "reset button", apparently. I recommend sharing this far and wide with anyone who has had trouble signing up before now.

Good luck, WC

1. After logging in, select the application in process and hit the “REMOVE” link, as shown in the image below.

I hilited the problem with that "solution". Once again, I am unable to log in.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I couldn't find one either.

Try this, FB

 

[MattusMaximus]

1. After logging in, select the application in process and hit the “REMOVE” link, as shown in the image below.

I hilited the problem with that "solution". Once again, I am unable to log in.

Okay, sooooo why not just try creating a new account

 

[Kestrel]

So that's how you hit the "reset button", apparently. I recommend sharing this far and wide with anyone who has had trouble signing up before now.

Missouri made it illegal to offer advice to anyone on how to sign up for insurance under the Affordable Care Act. It seems that show me how to get insurance under the Affordable Care Act isn't allowed in the "show me" state.

In other news, Texas just released 64 pages of proposed regulations in an effort to keep Texas residents from getting help signing up for insurance under the ACA. Texas now leads the nation in the percentage of residents without health coverage. Apparently they want to keep it that way.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Missouri made it illegal to offer advice to anyone on how to sign up for insurance under the Affordable Care Act. It seems that show me how to get insurance under the Affordable Care Act isn't allowed in the "show me" state.

In other news, Texas just released 64 pages of proposed regulations in an effort to keep Texas residents from getting help signing up for insurance under the ACA. Texas now leads the nation in the percentage of residents without health coverage. Apparently they want to keep it that way.

You know, the sad thing about it is that the everyday Joe Sixpack Republican is the one being hurt by this the most. I cannot recall where - someone find it for me if you can - but I read a poll earlier today which showed a huge partisan gap in who was or wasn't going to enroll in the ACA. Big surprise: most people opting to not enroll are Republicans.

I think something in the article accompanying the poll was revealing; it said [I'm paraphrasing], "What do these Republican voters think is going to happen when they get sick? Do they think the conservative groups trashing Obamacare are going to help them pay their bills? No, they're going to be stuck paying those bills all by themselves."

They're basically slitting their own throats. Can't help fools

 

[theprestige]

You know, the sad thing about it is that the everyday Joe Sixpack Republican is the one being hurt by this the most. I cannot recall where - someone find it for me if you can - but I read a poll earlier today which showed a huge partisan gap in who was or wasn't going to enroll in the ACA. Big surprise: most people opting to not enroll are Republicans.

I think something in the article accompanying the poll was revealing; it said [I'm paraphrasing], "What do these Republican voters think is going to happen when they get sick? Do they think the conservative groups trashing Obamacare are going to help them pay their bills? No, they're going to be stuck paying those bills all by themselves."

They're basically slitting their own throats. Can't help fools

Actually there's a couple interesting questions here.

The first is a legal liability question. If you give someone bad advice about how to enroll under the ACA, and they end up without healthcare when they need it, or they end up defrauding the government, who's liable? Who's actually qualified to give good advice? In many jurisdictions it's illegal to give unqualified legal or medical advice, but you don't usually hear people complaining about it. Since ACA enrollment is both a legal and a medical matter, it's not surprising that some jurisdictions would be a little paranoid about it.

The second is a "status quo" question. If a person doesn't have coverage today, and they get sick, who pays for their care? If they don't buy coverage under the ACA, and they get sick, who pays for their care? Are the answers to those two questions substantially different? Other than the fine, what really changes for those who don't have care under the new law? Do ERs get to turn them away? Do clinics get to run a credit check before providing service? Do collection agencies get to use strongarm tactics? Do creditors get privileged positions in bankruptcy? Or does care get provided as before?

I mean, I can see how someone who had care and gave it up would be "slitting their own throat". But is that really true for someone who already doesn't have care? Isn't that kind of the hidden genius of the ACA: people who don't have care will continue to receive the same services they always have, at the same cost to society?